The Big and Dandy DMT Thread - The Fourth Dimension

[*Love*Lite*]

a lot of PD extraction teks call for VM&P industrial grade naptha in lieu of a better lab grade solvent. it can be expected that there will be hazardous impurities in this naptha.

in one tek i read recently, it called for 'water washing' the naptha. ie shake the naptha with an equal amount of distilled water, and then let them separate. the idea is that water soluble impurities will be washed out.

when i tried this, i was suprised to see that the water layer was extremely foggy. a whole lot of something definitely washed out of the naptha.

so, knowing very little about chemistry, my question is ... is this water washing effective? is the water soluble stuff harmful, or is this step pointless?

i'm curious, because out of all the teks that call for the use of naptha, this was the only one that suggested pre-washing the solvent.

From what I understand DMT is soluble in H2O.... The alkaloids (tryptamines) become trapped in the aqueous solution in the soup. The naptha extracts the alkaloids from the aqueous solution. I WOULD NOT USE WATER TO WASH DMT.

If you still have the murky water I would do a pull with naptha off of it to extract any DMT you may have lost in the water. To me, murky is always a sign of alkaloid presence (particurally within the naptha). How much weight did you loose when you performed this wash? Any particular reason you would not simply use high grade ammonia?

**Im no scientist, so I could be completely off here. Anyone think differently?
Good luck colors

 

[adrian89987]

I think he's speaking of washing the naptha before any dmt is in it..

I've never though about doing that before...I guess there's no point in not doing that if it will give you a more pure solvent and doesn't result in any loss in yield.

I don't have any clue what those water-soluble impurities would be though.

 

[StagnantReaction]

a lot of PD extraction teks call for VM&P industrial grade naptha in lieu of a better lab grade solvent. it can be expected that there will be hazardous impurities in this naptha.

in one tek i read recently, it called for 'water washing' the naptha. ie shake the naptha with an equal amount of distilled water, and then let them separate. the idea is that water soluble impurities will be washed out.

when i tried this, i was suprised to see that the water layer was extremely foggy. a whole lot of something definitely washed out of the naptha.

so, knowing very little about chemistry, my question is ... is this water washing effective? is the water soluble stuff harmful, or is this step pointless?

i'm curious, because out of all the teks that call for the use of naptha, this was the only one that suggested pre-washing the solvent.

No matter the solvent, you should evap-test it to determine if impurities are left behind. But a good way to test this water washing efficiency is to evap an ounce of the unwashed solvent, then (assuming the first showed impurities) "water wash" another ounce and evap that. Compare the results.

At any rate I'd suggest finding a solvent with no impurities than risk a washing method to reduce this harm. A very common hardware store VM&P naphtha was found to leave a gummy residue. The MSDS told me that it is 95-100% pure (that's a strange discrepancy, yes?)

All I can offer is my experiences, and Gamsol OMS has passed the evap test and its MSDS checks out with 100% purity.

Of course you can always fractionally distill any solvents to meet your purity needs.

I WOULD NOT USE WATER TO WASH DMT.

You can water wash DMT, just don't use a large amount (and always use distilled water). I've heard that less than 25ml is needed for a gram of slightly impure DMT. This works well for rinsing after you've done an ice-cold ammonia or soda wash.

Hmm, quick query.
What is "good" extracted DMT supposed to look like?

It's kind of orangey-yellow, basically yellow with like little orange bits and lines in it. Not like little jagged crystals like I expected but very very fine crystals, kind of looks like little yellow-orange crack rocks actually!
And when you touch it slightly it rubs off on your hand and is very difficult to smudge off. What do you think?
And also, any first-timer experience tips would be greatly appreciated.

This should help you:
http://www.dmt-nexus.com/forum/Default.aspx?g=posts&t=1266

I'd suggest doing some sort of rextalization to yield crystals, then (optionally/optimally) another rextalization or an ammonia wash.

 

[*Love*Lite*]

I think he's speaking of washing the naptha before any dmt is in it..

I've never though about doing that before...I guess there's no point in not doing that if it will give you a more pure solvent and doesn't result in any loss in yield.

I don't have any clue what those water-soluble impurities would be though.

Well that is interesting. Im going to give it a try right now and report back. Has anyone else ever tried this? What about washing the naptha with ammonia first??

 

[Youkai]

Hey! Stop and cease! Nothing is dirty that isn't clean underneath.... I've never found a jewel sitting on the ground, but I dug, and got dirty and found it, and washed and here we are, the jewel shines out rainbows and elves and such.... I think I can say, Youkai, that you are a beautiful soul with all the rights granted a god

I stand at the gates myself, knowing, as you do, that the only key to fit the fucking thing is pure Love So I try and find the means to forge this key in everything I do.

You are not unclean or bad or stupid or anything; just a parcel of god in physical constraints who can't remember which pocket he left the key in. But it has to been in one of them....

In lak'ek-

if only it were that simple.

youkai is horrible these days.

 

[Jabberwocky]

What kind of naptha ar eyou guys using that has impurities in it? Mine evaporates very cleanly (I tested it). I use ace brand (or used rather, I don't extract DMT anymore too sketchy legally).

 

[kong]

ACE works fine.

Keep in mind water and naptha are slightly miscible. Thats why there is lye in extracts.

If you want to use water to purify dmt, redissolve the freebase in water using HCL. A portion (impurities) won't dissolve. Filter the impurities out, rebase and extract with naptha.

Activated charcoal works amazingly. Use about a 1/5 ratio of AC to dmt and let it sit for a day or two in solution. If the charcoal is good quality (for distilling liquor) it will turn the solution clear. Remember to wash the charcoal with hot naptha to clean out any dmt residue at the end.

 

[Youkai]

IVed more DMT, took slightly yellow DMT (20 or so mg, eye balled dose) dissolved it in ~7ccs of white vinigar, added ~15cc of water and was left with mostly disolved DMT and alil bit of floating debree (impurities) was then ran through a wheel filter to produce VERY SLIGHTLY yellow solution which then went into my arm.

hit within 10seconds of pulling out, lasted 3mins then maybe a 5min come down (prob only 3min come down).

its wortha try, the DMT doesnt have to be super pure if usinga wheel filter. think of dope, look at the color of the solution, it just gets stained I guess..???


S_S, it hits like IV ketamine, so be prepared!!!

 

[Youkai]

oh, I also have a big IM shot of maybe 50-60mg. dontw nat to atke it though, I used like 60ccs of vinigar to dilute it.. OUCH!!!!! this was DMT I tried to wash with water which seemed to make it dirtier????


will be shooting some more 20mg or so shots later today, if I notice anything overly interesting I'll post about it.


I just dont like DMT like I used to and am to scared to take my self "all the way" with it. I know a good 50mg shot will do it, I just dont want to go there!!!! so those who are friendly with DMT and friendly with IV, follow my instructions and see what deemasia is like IVed, I imagien it would be REALY smooth. it feels so much cleaner to IV then to smoke freebase (expected).


also, if someone has any pharmasuitcical MAOi's maybe combind those with IVed.. lets disect this molicule from every angle!!!

 

[SKL]

wheel filter

Is dat sum harm reduction?

 

[Youkai]

I found my new anti depressent, 20-30mg IM DMT. its slow, but over all GOOD. nothing psychedelic, just good lovin'



my arm is to beat up to put anymore DMT into it, boo hoo. THATS WHY GOD GAVE ME ANOTHER ONE!!!!

 

[fizzacyst]

Iv been posting this for months now. not everything Iv posted in recent times is just pushing the envelope.


try smoking some DMT while doped up (not only on heroin (never actualy done it while on heroin) but rather oxycodone). it is similer but alil more... well agrivating at times. but this stems from how I get irritable when on opiates anyways.

I don't think everything you do is mental, just a lot of it. haha

I do remember wholeheartedly agreeing with you in the past when MDMA+DMT has come up, not sure if it was this thread or not.

Can you go into more detail on the DMT+opiate doses and drugs you use? Like are you nodding when doing this or something (where it is already dreamy)? Opiates+psychedelics seems to reduce the potency of the psych a bit for me, but other than that not do a whole lot, though ive never shot anything tripping or the like. There is a paper a I read a while back that showed morphine reducing the effects of mushrooms, so just curious as to what all you have tried here?

I do like opiates on the comedowns of... whatever, really... anything that makes me cracked out or frazzled.

 

[Jabberwocky]

I think daily DMT is a very good anti-depressant. For like 10 days in a row this past summer I smoked DMT every morning only a little about 15mg. It was great!

And look at me now! I'm a model for how a human should be lol!

 

[SKL]

60mg DMT (from MHRB), prepared for IM with vinegar to convert from freebase and wheel filtered

T+0:03 - first alert
T+0:07 - definite tryptamine euphoria; slight nausea, bodily tingling
T+0:12 - subtle visuals, increasing euphoria. can't stop smiling
T+0:14 - bodily lightness, moving around is very rewarding, music euphoria, still can't stop smiling
T+0:15 - the headspace is still remarkably clear and lucid, i can definitely function very well here
T+0:19 - still euphoric, the visuals are still there, not so much moving but still ... there is a stillness ... i continue to be very functional, the headspace is very lucid ... conversation is pleasant ... listening to music is very nice
T+0:23 - coming down from the peak...visuals gone ... euphoria still very much present ... i've liked this better than smoking. wonder what a breakthrough dose IM would be? probably a whole bunch and probably not easy to get to.
T+0:28 - moving towards baseline. afterglow.

 

[Black]

what was your dose SKL?

 

[SKL]

~60mg

 

[Youkai]

I don't think everything you do is mental, just a lot of it. haha

I do remember wholeheartedly agreeing with you in the past when MDMA+DMT has come up, not sure if it was this thread or not.

Can you go into more detail on the DMT+opiate doses and drugs you use? Like are you nodding when doing this or something (where it is already dreamy)? Opiates+psychedelics seems to reduce the potency of the psych a bit for me, but other than that not do a whole lot, though ive never shot anything tripping or the like. There is a paper a I read a while back that showed morphine reducing the effects of mushrooms, so just curious as to what all you have tried here?

I do like opiates on the comedowns of... whatever, really... anything that makes me cracked out or frazzled.

I do it while nodding.

today I shot half a point of dope and maybe 50mg of DMT IV, REALY REALY REALY intence, full submersion into deemasia and then a wonderful come out into a vibrent world of brightened colors. the whole flash only lasted 3min and it was almost instantanious to pulling out. I also whitenessed preped a shot fr someone else of ~80mg, the guy who first smoked DMT last night said that IV is FAR supeiror. his experience only lasted 7min. again almost instantanious to pulling out the effects swept over and immediately into deemasia.

Im going to give IV DMT a couple more goes, seems to be ALOT better then tying to smoke a breakthrough dose, its easier to get it all in as there is no loss or pecial tactic as with smoking. it also feels much cleaner and much more "right". less of a come up to get "weirded" and something I ahve found true with LOTS of people in being hesitnt in smoking the entire dose messured out, with IV, as long as you do it, there is no backing out second thoughts. it all goes in.

S_S, you have put alot of thought into IVing DMT, so there you go. I will say beyond a cool flash, its not that workable. I mean.. well you know hwo high dose DMT can be. its interesting but beyond the wondeful feelings and pretty show of colors not much into indepth experience.


all of these injections ahve been done with off white/yellow DMT, and the most recent ones haev been filterd with just cotton. it goes cleanly into solution using vinigar and honestly I dont think purity needs to be 100% thre is less amount of residue then most abgs of dope. The yellow in DMT Im starting to believe is somewhat due to DMT-O, or oxidised DMT. and when going into solution I think some of theother alkaloids/degraded DMT ets filtered out. fees alot cleaner to smoking. I dont think I'll ever smoke it again.

 

[fizzacyst]

Is this is the same rig, or do you slam the opiate first?

 

[Youkai]

Is this is the same rig, or do you slam the opiate first?

here is a botched trip report I wrote. so yeah, in teh same rig, I used a shot I intended for IM use to dilute the dope.



~50mgDMT/~50mgHeroin IV

well, this morning after my breakfest of three pancakes, 4 peices of bacon, two pieces of toast and over easy egg with a cup of green tea and milk I desided I would add alil fun to my shot of dope.

I have ALOT of experience with DMT, mostly smoked but have IMed it and IVed befor. LAst night I made 4 shots of 50mg for IM use at show in this town Im in. I would go to the bathroom and shot my self in the arm or leg and enoy the subtle come up and longer peak of IMed DMT. it was over all a great night, but I ended up only using 3 of them and desided to drink some beer instead. so I had one shot left which I planed on using to dilute my dope for today.

after breakfest I took ahlf a bag of dope, put it into a spoon and then shot the DMT solution to disolve my dope, I noticed teh dope when alot better into solution because of teh vinigar used to convert the DMT freebase into an acitate (salt). I preped my arm with a blood pressure cuff and began the experiment.

I pushed the needle into my right arm in the crese of the elbo, I noticed that it was hard to register and push the plunger down, I suspect because a vinigar solution had ben sitting in it all night but eventualy I got it down and removed the cuff. At this point I was instantly transported into the DMT rhelm.

Pretty much as soon as puleld out I felt the hyper space bounce around me in crazy fractal visuals, I began to get scared and hoenstly forgot I shot the dope or DMT, it was mega intence. I soon looked aorund (maybe 1min after shooting it) and desided that open eyes were to much, as I closed my eeys If elt the warmth of the heroin pumping through my veins and settled nicely into a rainbowed nod. It was pure hetic in the dMT visuals though, rainbow flowers budding louder and louder out of each other, flashing colors and a bright light egtting brighter and brighter behind my closed eyes. It was insane, pure choas of a unitide beauty. I was out for maybe 3-4mins at which point like most times you pass through the veil on DMT you FEEL that you can open your eys, so I did and noticed that the room was still flashing, swirling and jumping at hyper speed. This open eyed change of reality quickly subsided in amtter of 1-2mins and I ws left completely speachless. the dope was still rushing through my veins and I felt realy at ease. at ease but still unabel to speak. after maybe 2 more mins I was realitivly back to base line (or doped line) and was able to gather my thoughts and relfect on what crazy combo that shot was.

over all I didnt learn much of anything, Iv done DMT hundreds of time, but this time was realy plessant, Iv noticed that IV DMT always gives you hyper space while smoking the freebase can sometimes be hit or miss. This was deffinately hyperspace but seemed more relaxed thanks to the heroin.

Id venture to guess I'll try this combo again, maybe enxt time with alil ketamine on top, my past experience with heroina nd ketamine have been quite plessant yet still confusing, and ketamine and DMT has only been done together when smoked and snorted. I now ONLY do ketamien mainlined, unless Im to k-tarded to IV I will IM it. maybe a IM/K-DMT combo would be better, but I realy liek the sheer intensity of IVed psychedelics.


I wouldnt suggest anyone try this unless you are experienced with IVing and DMT. IV DMT IMO is much more rewarded and clean then smoking the stuff. I dont suggest anyone do heroin though. if you do it already, then maybe try it, but if you odnt already use, dont start.


hope you enjoyed alil bit of teh farther side of psychedelic use.


LOVE.

 

[Fishface]

Hope the view's good on the other side of this Universe, Youkai 8)

Just melted 50mg (of the 250mg gifted by a true gent back at the start of 2007 ) onto the steel wool in my 'machine' and about to lay back and enjoy a very rare and special treat