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The Big and Dandy DMT Thread - The Fourth Dimension

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Is it possible for DMT to be inactive against some people who haven't used it previously? And would this be due to differences in metabolism/enzymes or just tolerance to other substances? E.g MAO (is this only relevant to oral admin?).

A friend smoked loads on several occasions but never felt a thing, while we were all tripping balls. He feels normal effects from every other psychadelic we've done.
 
Wakarimasen said:
Is it possible for DMT to be inactive against some people who haven't used it previously? And would this be due to differences in metabolism/enzymes or just tolerance to other substances? E.g MAO (is this only relevant to oral admin?).

A friend smoked loads on several occasions but never felt a thing, while we were all tripping balls. He feels normal effects from every other psychadelic we've done.
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I think it's just down to him being unable to smoke it correctly. It is very tricky to get full effects from smoking, if he tried it orally with an MAOI it would certainly blow his world apart.
 
I'm not so sure whats so hard about smoking it. Put some herb in a bowl, and lay the DMT on top. Then slowly waft the flame closer and closer (not touching it of course) until you see it start melting (while you are sucking in). Get your hit and before you're done inhaling move the flame away so it doesn't keep vaporizing. Finish inhale, hold in for 20ish seconds or whatever. Blow out, hit it again (you'll already start tripping probably). Hold it in as long as you can while you lay back down on something comfortable (bed, couch, grass, whatevs). Blow out above you, close your eyes and enter the DMT dimension.

Search all the bluelight.ru's big and dandy DMT threads (and 5-meo-DMT threads) for my comments. I've written extensively about how to properly smoke DMT out of a bowl (and not waste any).

50mg = breakthrough (for me)
 
Making dmt-enhanced leaf is by far the easiest method I've tried for smoking it

with a 1:1 ratio it's such a small amount of leaf material and all that needs to be done is to get a cherry going and its done in no time at all.
 
I still get effects, I just dont go to the doom, I never pass through the viel and seem to be more grounded.


but I have seen a guy take a 100mg blast correctly and only get a tight chest.
 
^ I had a similar experience - I was ha ha "informed by it" that I ought to stop using & put into practice what I'd learned.
Of course I continued to use, & guess what, never broke through since then ...only mild effects as you noted & that despite the dosage being as much as I could take.

That was quite some time ago - I'm uncertain as to whether to even try it again - I suppose I'll know if & when the time is right tho.
 
I've had a time where I inhaled a full 100 mg and got absolutely nothing. This was after a period of no use.
 
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^ I had a similar experience - I was ha ha "informed by it" that I ought to stop using & put into practice what I'd learned.
Of course I continued to use, & guess what, never broke through since then ...only mild effects as you noted & that despite the dosage being as much as I could take.

That was quite some time ago - I'm uncertain as to whether to even try it again - I suppose I'll know if & when the time is right tho.
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cool to know we are in the same boat.

I may try ayahuasca in the future... maybe not. I still smoke DMT at shows and outings, but I usualy buy it for an arm and leg and get all cracked/deemed out never actualy achieving anything beyond a nice mellow body high.


thats when you KNOW something is worng, when DMT is MELLOW!!!8o
 
who needs to smoke DMT when yo can shoot it though?
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People who have DMT freebase (the MOST common kind, period), which is not soluble in water and cannot be injected. You can go on ahead and inject solids into your vein/muscle, but I am not one who likes risking death and/or health problems to get high when I could just smoke the shit.

In order to inject it, you would have to do a chemical conversion to convert DMT freebase into a water soluble salt form of DMT, such as DMT acetate, hydrochloride, or fumarate. This involves quite a bit of work. So there's your answer dude. It takes a hell of a lot of work to get it to an injectable form.
Making dmt-enhanced leaf is by far the easiest method I've tried for smoking it
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How did you go about doing this? I assume you did it similar to the way people make Salvia extract....am I right? Like you end up with dry leaves that are infused with DMT freebase?

Can you give me a step-by-step way of doing this? (with 95%+ pure DMT freebase)

You're talking about soaking some sort of leaves into liquid DMT, and then letting it dry ... correct?
 
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Say you want a 1:1 ratio lef material
I use damiana leaf, go for something thats not harsh of course.
Take 1 gram of DMT freebase per 1 Gram of leaf.

Dissolve the DMT into acetone, then place the leaf material into the acetone in a flat small container like a short glass cup or dish. You want the leaf to be spread out flat and not stacked on itself. The acetone only needs to be high enough to completely cover the leaf.

Allow this to slowly evaporate till its fully dry. Can take a day or two.

You should now have leaf that weighs 2 grams.

Smoke .1 grams for a 50 mg hit.
 
has anyone tried smoking dmt-infused plant material in a joint?
i tried that but somehow failed miserably when trying to melt the dmt onto the plant material (tobacco). the result was a cigarette that smelled faintly of dmt but gave next to no effects. if it would work with properly prepared infused leaf it would imo be quite nice to take to a party.
 
^If you are trying to infuse tobacco/plant matter use the above method posted by adrian. Melting DMT is pretty similar to burning it, yeah? Though I personally would think a joint is slightly wasteful, but would certainly give you a nice trippy high; I doubt any breaking through would occurr; but hey, at a party gabbling away to invisible people isn't exactly kosher ;)
 
I have used DMT more than any other psychedelic, smoking it sometimes up to 10 or more times in a day. Until recently I have had nothing but awe inspiring experiences that have been truly incredible and rarely too traumatic. Throughout my experimentation I have remained the rational atheistic materialistic individual I was before smoking.

Two recent experiences have truly shook me up though.


Trip one:

was with a bowl filled to the brim with DMT, well over 200 milligrams. My usual smoking method is to pack it up as full as possible and smoke it until I no longer know what I am doing. I was in my bedroom, lights out, chill music playing. I was in a relatively positive state of mind.

The second it hit me I knew it was going to be horrific. I immediately thought, "I hate this" and this thought was reflected back a 1000 fold as "we hate you" by the entities I suddenly found myself surrounded with. I found myself in a self reflective state where entities picked me apart, where I picked myself apart, I realized I was depressed, that I was physically ill, that my life was a joke. I looked up and saw a window on the wall where there isn't a window, and through it a creature peered at me, I stood up shocked and began to reject the experience. With this rejection I got the feeling of "well fuck you too" from this creature peering at me from the window. This same interaction occurred as I walked through my house now inhabited with beings who swarmed every room. I forgot I had smoked the DMT and ran upstairs at which point I began to come down and regain control.

I knew after this experience that a break was needed to stabilize my life and health. So I took that break.

Trip Two:

Using a traditional dmt freebase pipe and a torch lighter my friend loads up 200 milligrams for the 5 of us in the woods. He heats it up and hits it two times and hands it to me. I hold the pipe in my hands, happy and calm and ready to return to the DMT realm.

I light the torch and push the flame towards the bulb. As I do this the flame physically bends away from the bulb refusing to touch it. I relight it a few times and every time it does this. I am at this time absolutely sober and baffled. I push the lighter closer trying to force the torch to heat up the DMT and it goes out. Frustrated I pass the pipe to my friend who proceeds to hit it.

I ask for it back and attempt again, everyone is watching and notices the same thing once again occuring. The flame refuses to touch the bulb of the pipe. And if I get it too close it goes out. I have smoked with this device and lighter multiple times and am quite familiar with how to do it so at this point I am quite baffled. I hand the lighter to my friend and say, hey how bout you light this for me I seem to be having trouble. So he puts the torch up to it and the flame heats up the bulb but no smoke at all. We assume it is empty so I pass it back to him to refill. But before he does he gets 2 massive rips from it.

I laughingly ask him to refill it and heat it up for me and then pass it to me so i can inhale it. He does this and hands it to me and as i put the pipe to my lips the smoke vanishes from the pipe before I can inhale. Baffled we try again and again it vanishes. I once again try lighting it myself and the flame bends again. At this point I declare, "Alright I get it, I reject rationality, now please....", and attempt once more.

But it still refuses. So I try my Bic lighter, much more difficult to light a freebase pipe with properly but with practice i can do it pretty damn well, and once again no smoke. After multiple tries, much laughter and confusion I give up. No one else had a similar experience. Everyone else witnessed it.

I was previously certain that heat+dmt=smoke, that torch lighters don't just go out repeatedly, that the flame doesn't bend at 90 degree angles when pushed towards glass, that basic chemical reactions were immutable facts, so I am left with no logical explanation for the events that happened. Frankly I doubt I ever will be able to explain it. For me this inability to smoke DMT was the most intense DMT experience I have ever had.

The fact that this experience followed up an experience in which I rejected and was rejected by the being I encountered makes this all the more strange to me.

Frankly I have never been so baffled by a psychedelic.
 
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