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The Big and Dandy AMT Thread - 2nd incarnation

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BobWeir'd said:
What about whey protein drink? I like my fitness and try to keep nourished during these type of experiences therefore whey protein made with milk for some carbs is ideal when the appetite is supressed. I have no knowledge of the dangers so I'm wondering if whey protein is a no no like cheese?
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I would like to know this too. Im currently on a weight training regime which includes several whey protein shakes each day. Should I give these a miss befor my planned AMT expedition?
 
There's also this list at erowid

Done as google cache because Erowid seems to be down at the moment.

It does mention protein supplements to be avoided there.

Also a list of drugs to avoid here.
 
Just got mine through the post (50 mg freebase) It actually smells like DMT to me unless it's the packaging.

I don't have scales so I was going to crush it all up (some lumps) so it's even and split it into 2. (2 x 25mg)

Now then, I hear there's less nausia and it works well rectally. I've never done anything that way. Anything wrong with simply putting it on the end of ya finger and whacking it up there? Or how about a very small bit of Rizla?

What about the idea or doing half oral and half rectal and if it's not a bad idea which way round? (fingers washed! haha)
 
Freebase won't work rectally.

Get some vinegar and put your dose that you want to do rectally in some water and drop vinegar in there until it dissolves...
 
Oh, ok. I thought I saw a moderator post here saying it did, I may have got it wrong. Maybe he was talking about hcl, can't find the page now. Thanks, could of wasted half of it!

Another thing I'm wondering is what it would be like if I actually saved some and smoked it the next day. I plan to do this Monday daytime so hopefully I will get some sleep and feel good Tuesday which is when I'm thinking maybe smoke a bit. I fancy a couple of days at it but of course may change my mind!
 
Freebase is fine to use rectally, just convert to a salt with vinegar like magikalkat says.

Boombox, Ket will be fine to mix with it - I would use the ket after the peak though.
 
BobWeir'd said:
Oh, ok. I thought I saw a moderator post here saying it did, I may have got it wrong. Maybe he was talking about hcl, can't find the page now. Thanks, could of wasted half of it!

Another thing I'm wondering is what it would be like if I actually saved some and smoked it the next day. I plan to do this Monday daytime so hopefully I will get some sleep and feel good Tuesday which is when I'm thinking maybe smoke a bit. I fancy a couple of days at it but of course may change my mind!
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Salts such as hydrochloride will dissolve but freebase wont. Whoever posted about AMT dissolving must have the hcl doing the rounds. For rectal administration you should dissolve your AMT and use a syringe-less syringe. Since you have 50 mg you could try 15-20 mg rectally and smoke 20 mg another day and still have 10-15 mg leftover to try orally. 10 mg orally will provide a nice anti-depressant perk to the day. 20 mg rectally will be somewhat like 30-35 mg orally from what I've read and 20 mg smoked will be similar to about 35 mg orally. Smoking still takes about an hour to comeup, but drastically reduces the 3 hour comeup from oral. Smoking also reduces the nausea but isn't the most pleasant tasting as it tastes like indoley DMT or mothballs. You should use a meth pipe or something similar. You want to to vaporize the AMT. Smoking it in a bong with weed has proven to be ineffective.
 
MagickalKat777 said:
As long as you eat MAO-compatible foods, you'll be fine. Avoid cheese, wine, beer, etc., about 24 hours before the trip. I totally fucked up on my 20mg experience and that may have done it... I ate a bunch of cheese and all kinds of shit that day...
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I think you're overestimating this drugs MAOI capabilities at reasonable doses. I witnessed someone drink at least 3 beers while on 40mg of AMT at Bestival last weekend and he was absolutely fine. Seeing as this is a harm reduction site though, I guess it's best to err on the side of caution.
 
^ The MAOI capabilities of AMT seem to be nowhere near as strong as has been assumed, and also the dangers of consuming non-MAOI compatible food/drink such as certain cheeses and beers has been shown to not be of much concern. Beer isn't really much of a problem on AMT, but I suppose it's in everyone's best interest to try and avoid MAOI contraindicated food/drink just to ensure the sometimes nasty AMT bodyload isn't worse. But yeah it seems that AMT is a somewhat weak MAOI and it also seems that non-MAOI food/drink is not as bad as was once believed. Better safe than sorry though.
 
33Hz said:
I think you're overestimating this drugs MAOI capabilities at reasonable doses. I witnessed someone drink at least 3 beers while on 40mg of AMT at Bestival last weekend and he was absolutely fine. Seeing as this is a harm reduction site though, I guess it's best to err on the side of caution.
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I drank a shit load of wine and beer on 50mg of aMT at a festival - no problem. Same with a mate. It's not big and it's not clever, but it happened. The alcohol definitely takes the edge of the psychedelia, so if you're looking for a full on trip, don't drink.
 
tragiclemming said:
I drank a shit load of wine and beer on 50mg of aMT at a festival - no problem. Same with a mate. It's not big and it's not clever, but it happened. The alcohol definitely takes the edge of the psychedelia, so if you're looking for a full on trip, don't drink.
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Im not after psychedelia and I love beer %)
 
Its actually the fact that these things increase the body load a LOT more than worrying about MAO - though I can tell you from experience that HIGH DOSE AMT is definitely an MAO... Caffeine made me so sick and my trip got so much more intense my friend almost took me to the hospital.

Anyway I've never drank on AMT but I've heard it smooths out the bodyload.

A friend of mine did confirm that AMT is an MAOI by taking 60mg and then taking DMT orally - he had a weird pharmahuasca trip. So it definitely does inhibit MAO to enough of an extent.

I wouldn't use ketamine on AMT... But that's just me. I've heard of some nice experiences doing so.
 
^ Interesting. I've heard attempts at using AMT in conjunction with DMT as a sort of pharmahuasca have all been unsuccessful. I believe these attempts were with lower doses of AMT to try to get MAO inhibition without the AMT altering the DMT trip in a huge way, but I suppose a large dose such as 60 mg could be enough to activate oral DMT.

Did 60 mg fully inhibit MAO, or was the DMT a lot weaker? I'm assuming that would be a weird combination as my first thoughts are that the AMT would not inhibit enough to make the DMT as powerful, so you'd be on a high dose of AMT with a weaker dose of DMT. Could be fun? Only have experience with DMT once and that was smoked.
 
Concerning smoothing out the trip, Treacle reccomended to me using GBL, it worked beautifully, normally I get a bit anxious and can't enjoy the trip but GBL really complimented it well.
 
^ Would gabapentin work for like GBL? I don't have access to GHB at the moment and the only gabaergic drug I have access to is gabapentin.

What other chemicals are good for smoothing out the trip, without drastically changing the nature of the trip?
 
Ok. Had my first amt experience. Slightly disappointed. Received 1/2 gram of grey HCI powder (apparently a slightly stronger synth). Took 35mg. Felt groggy and shaky on the come up. About 5 hours in feels ok, had a line of ket. Felt nice and couldn't really move. 6 hours in re-dosed another 30mg of amt. Then not a lot happened for the rest of the trip. Couldn't sleep until about 15 hrs after first dose and just felt stimulated and tired. No visuals at all.

Day after, slight headache and very tired.

Was expecting much better really. I'm someone who's more interested in the psychedelic side rather than the MDMA side of amt (ideally a bit of both!) but all i really ended up with was a reasonable high and lots of stimulation.

Have I got rubbish stuff (I hope not at £80 a gram!) or was I just unlucky? I did smoke a lot of weed during and I guess that bit ok K may have made a difference. Do other drugs take the edge of the psychedelia/high?

Should I try 50mg with no re-dose and no ket or weed in a couple of weeks?
 
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^ i hope it's just you as I've ordered from the same location and if it's how you say it is, I'm gonna be pretty pissed off haha
 
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