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The Big and Dandy 4-HO-DMT Thread

just thought I'd mention

I started a journal, based on emails I sent to my pal a few days ago. Theycontain a bit of a trip report with 4HO-DMT, vapourised DMT and 5MeO-DMT. I had two days off work to have a good old trip. On the second day I had AET. I couldnt't be arsed to edit for trip reports yet, but if you want a read do check it -
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/journal.php?do=showjournal&j=1402
All the best you seeker and seers.PippUK
 
Two more people had the best trip of their lives off 14mg doses of this. This is such a good psychedelic! A classic! :)

We are all excited to push it into the 20-25mg dose range! :)

~Peace and Love~
S_S
 
15mg made me have a sort of panic reaction. I think this is more due to mushroom abuse in the past, and a negative association there. I feel the fear so strong as it comes on that it intereferes with the experience. The trip itself, fear and anxiety aside, as interesting and not quite like eating mushrooms (which I am VERY experienced with). The complete lack of nausea being a great difference that I enjoyed.

I think I will try again later on, after taking some MDMA. While it might be more intense, MDMA has very reliably eliminated The Fear for me on every other drug I've tried.

(and thanks to the psilocin guy - this stuff made MANY people's day, quite a treat for them)
 
Don't be surprised if you get nausea with this chemical. So far 2 out of 6 people I have taken it with have vomited shortly after coming up.

Not trying to mind trick you into nausea....hopefully this won't color anyone's psychosomatic mindscape...

The possibilities are infinite...as I give psychedelics to more people I recognize the power of suggestion present in the felt subjective experience of psychedelic environment.
 
samadhi_smiles said:
Don't be surprised if you get nausea with this chemical. So far 2 out of 6 people I have taken it with have vomited shortly after coming up.

Not trying to mind trick you into nausea....hopefully this won't color anyone's psychosomatic mindscape...

The possibilities are infinite...as I give psychedelics to more people I recognize the power of suggestion present in the felt subjective experience of psychedelic environment.
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Yeah, sometimes i hesitate to tell people they might vomit or something like that, out of fear of planting the idea in their mind. Like my GF will probably puke if i tell her people do sometimes on substance ABC. But then i feel bad if i dont and they yack and get uncomfortable (especially newbies).

I got to the point where mushrooms, even the smell, make my stomach churn. By comparison I noticed nothing.
 
I would guess that the dosages / experiences for this freshly emerged compound are given for its fumarate salt? Or freebase?

(Would there be any difference in the trip's "quality" depending on whether a substance is a salt, or a freebase? Subjective opinions seem to indicate there would indeed be.)

For the record, I had a beautiful trip off 15mg intranasally. Girlfriend was sent into a 2-hour hell off 10mg intranasally. Those were our first times.
 
samadhi_smiles said:
Leary, (and et. al, whoever that guy is, he's everywhere helping people) administered 60mg of psilocin to people for peak experiences.
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Walter Pahnke, The Good Friday Experiment

In this follow up study, it says Pahnke administered 30mgs of psilocybin to divinity students.

\\//Do we know how much psilocin 30mgs of psilocybin yeilds when metabolized? Is that a dumb question? I'm trying to up my chem info.
 
cognosis said:
Walter Pahnke, The Good Friday Experiment

In this follow up study, it says Pahnke administered 30mgs of psilocybin to divinity students.

\\//Do we know how much psilocin 30mgs of psilocybin yeilds when metabolized? Is that a dumb question? I'm trying to up my chem info.
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If I am doing my math correctly, psilocybin is about 1.4X less potent than psilocin. And psilacetin is about 1.21X less potent. Thus 10mg of psilocin = 14mg of psilocybin and 12mg of psilacetin.

30mg of psilocybin equals about 22mg of psilocin.
 
^^Follow up reports of the Good Friday experiment, conducted by Rick Doblin, actually detailed the fact that, whist most claimed to have a true mystical religious experience, good old Leary forgot to mention the fact that one member (who refused to be interviewd regarding this) had to be tranquilised with Thorazine, and that several other intense panic, borderline psychotic crisies were observed.

Its a bit amusing that Learys first psychedelic experience was with actual mushrooms, and that he didn't recognise or even really acknowledge any subjective difference between psilocybn pills from sandoz and actualy fungus from Mexico.
 
Neither did Maria Sabina when Albert Hoffman gave them to her. Of course, psilocybin is not psilocin, just as psilacetin is not psilocybin. But most who have had psilocin and psilocybin report no subjective difference.

willow11 said:
Its a bit amusing that Learys first psychedelic experience was with actual mushrooms, and that he didn't recognise or even really acknowledge any subjective difference between psilocybn pills from sandoz and actualy fungus from Mexico.
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My cat took 22mg of psilocin one time. He dumped the powder down his throat, chased it with a drink. Come up was sudden, and terrifying. The cat tripped out about many things, leading to him feeling like he was genuinely dying. After a rough 1.5h he pulled through, thanks to some great people. I'd say, "ego transcendence" or at least becoming to where it's pliable. Neat OEVs and CEVs, very natural and organic and mushroomy.

Organic-visual-like, similar to 4-ho-det. More potent by weight than 4-ho-nmt (aka 4-ho-met). Much more paranoia than other RCs. Post-rough-times, very euphoric and chill.

The only time kitty took psilacetin at 25mg, the experience was light but seemed more regular/repeating, less spontaneous visual.
 
nevermind my confusion, I was referring to "metocin" with one ethyl and one methyl. (I just looked again) - I did not know there was 4-ho-nmt going around but I've seen mentions made of it.
 
Harmal Avenger said:
Organic-visual-like, similar to 4-ho-det. More potent by weight than 4-ho-nmt (aka 4-ho-met). Much more paranoia than other RCs. Post-rough-times, very euphoric and chill.
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Can you give a little more details on the difference you felt with 4-ho-det and 4-ho-met compared to 4-ho-dmt. Would you be able to tell them apart in a blind test?
 
It's likely my cat would be able to tell them apart. 4-ho-met, at 36mg had him having minor visual alterations of swishyness accompanied by flickering he does not get on shrooms. At this dose 4-ho-dmt would kick his ass, hell at 22mg he had a difficult time, so, 4-ho-met seems less potent.

4-ho-det has a very recognizable body load, somewhat euphoric with definite horizontal leg tremors towards the end of the trip. Visually, much more is required of ethocin to acieve the same kind of OEVs from psilocin - my cat usually samples 50mg+ of ethocin at a time.

Again, my cat has not experienced 4-ho-met in a strong enough dose to notice definite qualities unique to this compound.
 
Oh my... this one is awfully special. Trip report coming soon. Suffice to say I've never understood so clear, nor accepted death so readily. This was like mushrooms with tremendous clarity and less physical. This had the property of every thought leading to every other thought all at once outside the constraints of time, a cascade of logic that inevitably ended up contradicting everything. Complete inability to remove myself from the immedicacy of the experience.

In fact this trip was very much like my +4 on 2C-E, except I understood what was happening this time.

I am thinking out loud, and will now stop doing so here.
 
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I have a feeling that mixing this with 4-HO-MET would be spectacular. Equal doses of both, or perhaps a higher dose of this (potency-wise, not mass-wise). For me, 4-HO-MET left me quite in my own ego, while allowing beautiful access to the tryptamine mindspace, while 4-HO-DMT is a true ego-smasher.
 
^ So, when can we read the trip report? :)

I would love to get my hands on 4-HO-MET as well. I bet it's great. I had very nice experiences with MET also.

I can't wait to try 4-HO-DMT either. Mushrooms have always held a very special place in my heart, and I absolutely loved 4-AcO-DMT as well. 4-HO-DMT sounds like a nice cross between the two.
 
Any comments on MET? Or even better, can you add those comments to the MET thread? I'd be grateful for new input.

Recept said:
^ So, when can we read the trip report? :)

I would love to get my hands on 4-HO-MET as well. I bet it's great. I had very nice experiences with MET also.

I can't wait to try 4-HO-DMT either. Mushrooms have always held a very special place in my heart, and I absolutely loved 4-AcO-DMT as well. 4-HO-DMT sounds like a nice cross between the two.
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