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The Big and Dandy 4-HO-DMT Thread

MagickalKat777 said:
Can I ask why you insufflated them when, at least for psilocin, they're plenty active orally?
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It was getting late and I worked pretty early the next morning so I wanted to both shorten it and be able to blow my nose if it accelerated too quickly. My original timing involved only using the 4-ho-NMT, but when that resulted in a lackluster--though still pleasant--experience, I went for the 4-ho-DMT. Also, because the onset time is significantly quicker, and the onset of each additional dose is more palpable, I was able to titrate this first time dose to what I was sensationally extrapolating would be a decent level with greater precision. You may be right about insufflation modifying the experience, but I ended up enjoying it immensely in any case, as I figured I would. Even if I had used it orally, I had still combined it with 4-ho-NMT, and there is no telling how that affected it at this point either. Insufflated 4-AcO-DMT doses are about 50 percent stronger than oral proportional to weight and about 1/3 shorter (for me) if you're looking for a--likely pretty translatable--conversion constant for oral 4-ho-DMT. Qualitatively it's a rougher onset with a more stimulating plateau, with the AcO.

It's true; it does not burn at all.
 
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I guess I was just under the impression that psilocin hits within 15 minutes through the oral route anyway.

Even when I eat mushrooms, as long as I chew them up immensely (yuck), they hit within 15 minutes.

But either way, thanks for the report. Definitely looking forward to hearing about a full oral dose! :)
 
I have some of this on the way and allready have some 4-aco-dmt and amt and look foward to trying these in different combo's. Any suggestions??? has anyone tryed smoking 4-ho-dmt before, when I was a kid I smoked some shrooms and actually tripped mildly, though they tasted like burnt frenchfries. I think the pure chemical might work.

-Peace
 
Has anyone else tried this one?

I'm interested if anyone thinks that the qualitative effects of 4-ho-dmt could be distinguished from 4-ho-met or 4-ho-mipt. I'm quite certain that the 4-acos could be distinguished from the 4-ho's by a trained mind, but I have my doubts as to if someone could tell the difference between 4-ho-dmt, 4-ho-met, and 4-ho-mipt. They all seem to have the manic energy that the 4-hos seem to impart ... that's just what I gather from reading reports. 4-ho-dipt seems to be noticably different from the rest. Any thoughts?
 
I found 4-HO-MET to share some similarities to other 4-HOs, but it, particularly, was unique for sure, most especially in its extremely clear headspace and bright, sharp, rainbow-colored visuals.

4-HO-DiPT is also much different from the others. And likewise, 4-AcO-DMT is very much different from the other 4-AcOs I've tried (-MiPT, DiPT).

I suppose it could be power of suggestion...
 
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Which other 4-ho's have you tried? ... not including 4-ho-dipt, because I think we can all agree that it's quite a bit different. 4-ho-det did seem qualitatively different ... more of a clear headspace. According to reports, 4-ho-mipt has a distinct body buzz (I haven't tried this one). If there are differences here, they are extremely subtle.
 
^^ I can guarantee if I was given 4-ho-mipt or 4-ho-dipt (blind test style) I would be able to tell them apart. They are totally different on many levels, particularly in the visual department.
 
Slowed Dancin' with DMT

We decided to trip yesterday afternoon as we were hiking around and the weather was clearing.

T+0:00: My friend and I both ate 10mg 4-ho-NMT in a gel cap. I told him not to expect anything as it most likely is not very active.

T+2:00: Nothing. We both have tolerances as we are tripping once or more a week, but I expected something at least.

T+2:30(0:00): We both take 10mg of 4-HO-DMT, sublingually. Bitter!

T+0:15: As we walk down to the creek to play in the sunshine with the river rocks we both begin to come up...typical tryptamine floaty feeling...detached, yet grounded (hard for me to explain). I'm sitting on a rock staring at the water, and as the wind plays wth the water I notice intricate patterns in the water. I have a realization that I am becoming more and more aware in the psychedelic state and finding more and more intricacies to it. There is so much there to discover! We start walking upstream.

T+0:30: WHOA! Coming up FAST now! I get a little nauseas and almost throw up but keep it in with some deep breathing and closed eyes. Deep patterns are forming on the back of my eyelids...this is slowed down DMT...I am slow dancing with the DMT visuals that usually are so frenetic (on DMT)...

T+1:00: Defintely peaking, we are talking to each other and sharing things about our life...there are long pauses where we sit and think and look at the world around us. He stands up to make a point and while he's talking he waves his arms in the air. Thousands of his arms freeze around him in still motion and he strikes me as looking like Shiva, as he is literally glowing with energy. In fact, everything is glowing with energy.

T+2:00: Definite drop-off in activity. CEVs just DISAPPEAR all of a sudden. Such a clean drop-off it amazes me. Cognition is rapidly returning to baseline.

T+3:00: Still tripping, yet its very smooth. This feeling lingers for 3 or 4 more hours, gradually fading away.
 
egor said:
^^ I can guarantee if I was given 4-ho-mipt or 4-ho-dipt (blind test style) I would be able to tell them apart. They are totally different on many levels, particularly in the visual department.
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I agree. Between 4-ho-mipt, 4-ho-met, 4-ho-dmt though, I'm not so sure I could.

THANKS for the report samadhi!!!! Sounds great! Would you say 10 mg yielded a +++?
 
Definitely a +3 - but I wonder if the 10mg of 4-ho-NMT potentiated it any (taken 2-2.5 hours before). This was way stronger than 14mg of 4-aco-DMT (WAY stronger!). And I've been tripping way more than I was when I took the aco-DMT last and it still felt more powerful.

Ideally my friend and I could take 10mg of psilocin again without the NMT next time...but I think I will just jump into a very high dose to try to get a long extended DMT trip.
 
Mmm... sounds nice :) I can't wait to try it myself.

How would you initially say that it compares to mushrooms, out of curiosity? Subjective, I realize, but I'm interested.
 
Xorkoth said:
Mmm... sounds nice :) I can't wait to try it myself.

How would you initially say that it compares to mushrooms, out of curiosity? Subjective, I realize, but I'm interested.
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This was different from mushrooms. MUCH less chaotic and more centering, almost sedating. Much cleaner on the body too. Whereas with mushrooms I'm running around a little mad through the woods usually, and my body is doing weird things with its muscles and GI tract, this chemical I was content to sit by the river in the sun and talk with my friend about our lives...something I am usually not capable of doing on mushrooms. I understand now the TIHKAL entry that compared it to MDMA. The CE visuals were very similar to about 15mg of DMT.
 
^^ Unfortunately there's no way to really answer that because of the large variation in mushroom potency and the presence of 4-HO-NMT, 4-PhO-DMT, and even traces of DMT.
 
samadhi_smiles said:
This was different from mushrooms. MUCH less chaotic and more centering, almost sedating. Much cleaner on the body too. Whereas with mushrooms I'm running around a little mad through the woods usually, and my body is doing weird things with its muscles and GI tract, this chemical I was content to sit by the river in the sun and talk with my friend about our lives...something I am usually not capable of doing on mushrooms. I understand now the TIHKAL entry that compared it to MDMA. The CE visuals were very similar to about 15mg of DMT.
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Cool, thanks. How did it compare to 4-AcO-DMT, aside from dosage differences?
 
Xorkoth said:
Cool, thanks. How did it compare to 4-AcO-DMT, aside from dosage differences?
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A lot different...much more intense psychedelic, more visual, maybe a little rougher come-up and a little harder on the stomach (like I said I got a little nausea).

The more I think of psilocin the more excited I get! It really was a beautiful experience and has a lot of promise!! I can't wait to take a very large dose and just zone out with eyes closed the entire trip!! =D

Anyways I'll stop rambling about my experience.....I am looking forward to hearing about others' trips with this one! %)
 
Any advice on the (pure) 4-Ho-DMT/MDMA mix? I love the LSD/MDMA combo (in fact, that is really the only way I care to do LSD anymore) but have never tried the psilocin/MDMA combo. I've read about 'hippyflipping' but I'd imagine the pure compound peaks a bit faster than mushrooms. I want both to peak at the same time.

Would one be best to take them together (similar timeframe.....both 6 hr) or would one want to wait 1/2 hr before taking the MDMA?
 
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