The Big and Dandy 4-AcO-DMT thread - New incarnation
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Getting high 2 nights in a row just eats up the whole weekend
Start with the AMT, do the ACO as AMT it begins to lose its peak, maybe?
Jblazingphoenix100
Ex-Bluelighter
Tonight is the night - after i finish my yoga session and prepare some packed supper I will take 35mg.
I'm luckily going to have a tripping buddy with me this time, who will be taking 22mg.
Mmm report back tomorrow!
I'm luckily going to have a tripping buddy with me this time, who will be taking 22mg.
Mmm report back tomorrow!
anondragonfly
Bluelighter
4-aces + amt is real nice 
A very friendly, dreamy state will ensue.
A very friendly, dreamy state will ensue.
Here's the log from today's experience, entirely unedited:
Ingested ~25mg (although it could have been as much as 30mg) at 15:30. Heart rate right now is around 108-114. I noticed this increase sometime around T-0:10. I haven't eaten since around T-5:30. Thoughts are pretty much clear at the moment, setting is my dorm room. If this does turn out to be a "breakthrough" experience, I have a bed to lay down in and no one can disturb me. The door is locked and my phone is on vibrate, which I won't hear. I think writing my thoughts down in this way right now is somewhat anxiolytic. If the 4-AcO-DMT proves to be too much, I have some oxycodone prepared. I licked my fingertips after weighing out the powder last night, so I am positive that I am not allergic to it, and that it is not some more potent substance.
T+0:08 - Heart rate seems to be down to about 90-96 bpm.
T+0:12 - I just felt a physical sensation in my head. It could be starting already.
T+0:15 - Previous sensation disappeared. It may have been nothing. Pupils seem normal.
T+0:24 - Possible slight pupil dilation. I feel like I am saving the Whose Line episodes for once the chemical kicks in. Reading B&D 4-AcO-DMT thread now.
T+0:50 - A constant ringing in my ears has started. Seems to be slightly more on the left. CEV's are beginning.
T+1:23 - Text appears wavy. Mental state seems pretty clear-headed. Still waiting to see where this is going. Hopefully if I took enough, it will be somewhere interesting.
T+1:30 - After returning from checking the mail, text is not appearing nearly as wavy as before. This leads me to believe I am at or near the peak. Sense of smell seems somewhat enhanced.
T+1:52 - Even though I've never had any DMT, I know exactly what Xorkoth is saying when he describes a 4-AcO-DMT trip as a DMT afterglow. This is it. Oh, and because it didn't hit me for about an hour, that means it will probably last ~8 hours, based on bluelight research.
T+3:09 - It's hard to type. I fear perhaps that this is not 4-aco-dmt. I am sweating profusely and I feel I may pass out. Passing out would be a relief, so that I don't have to keep feeling as I do right now. The visuals are pretty strong. The effects for some reason appear to have reached a new level in the past few minutes and I don't really know why. I am yawning excessively.
T+3:16 - I just took 5 mg oxycodone. Not sure what this will do to me but hopefully kill the effects that I'm feeling right now slightly.
T+3:19 - OK so here's the logic. bad thoughts - i might be poisoned, ie this is a different chemical than i than i thought it was. Ingested 25-30 mg, so this coudl be VERY bad. However, saving grace, I did lick my fingers last night when weighing the 4-aco-dmt out. I proceeded to watch, for about an hour and a half, best of whose line videos on youtube. I was finding these hysterical.
T+3:26 - I keep needing to blink. This is a very odd headspace. Right up until about the 3 hour mark I was unbelievably happy. I literally could not believe how happy I was. I felt like every serotonin receptor in my brain was simultaneously being tickled. Now I just feel confused, is probably the best way to describe it. I'm finding it very hard to keep any sort of train of thought going. I do, however, feel that keeping a log of the trip like this will make for very interesting reading later.
T+3:28 - I almost feel like making a videolog, but I am not sure of the thickness of the walls. What would people think as they walk by my dorm room? (I am laughing out loud right now). I need footnotes of footnotes of footnotes. This is in no way making sense anymore, is it? I can't wait to be sober, I'm sure I'll get a kick out of this.
T+3:32 - I'm back in a positive headspace, although I may be on my way back down again. Perhaps I'm in some sort of oscillating loop. My heart feels like it's racing although I'm pretty sure, based on putting my hand on my chest, that it isn't.
T+3:34 - I'm still blinking a ton. Why? Why? Why? I wish I knew. There are so many Whys?. I can't know, so I need to let go. Everything seems to be affecting me to the nth degree right now. I think of something bad, or that I
don't like, and it sends me into "the bad place". I think of something I do like, and I get elated.
T+3:37 - This may be more than I've ever written. That's ok. I guess it's sort of stream of consciousness, as I think things, they go into this notepad document. I can hear people talking as they walk through the hallway, but I can't understand them. I did today what I didn't mean to do.
T+3:40 - I can think so much faster than I can type. I'm still "confused" - thoughts are going everywhere and I don't like it. Memory seems impaired. I'm feeling much more strongly than I normally do. There are negative thoughts and there are positive thoughts.
T+3:43 - I guess the writing is helping. I don't really know what else I would be doing to pass the time. I guess the ultimate thing I'm feeling is boredom. Nothing right now would satisfy me. I don't know what I want.
T+3:48 - The ability to do time related math has left me. I was not sure before if there was a fly here or if I was hallucinating it but now I am definitely sure there is a fly. I want the opiate to kick in. When I take a percocet, I consistently feel happy, and I just want to return to that happiness. I don't know why I'm in the state I'm in now.
T+3:53 - This is anything but clear-headed. Time is passing but not fast enough. I want to be doing something but I don't know what. Of all the things that could happen, I don't know which of them I want.
T+3:57 - I know this is physically benign. There is no substance that would kill me with this timeline. Well maybe there is, but certainly I haven't ingested it. None of those things, if they exist, could be in the powder that I ingested.
T+4:02 - Thought loops? Is that what this is? Or are they in sequence... I still don't know. I can't wait for this to be over. I'm in a state which is unpleasant. Thinking about a future which is less unpleasant helps.
T+4:05 - I don't think it's getting any stronger, but that was a weird transition a while back.
T+4:22 - Oxycodone is not renowned for being clear-headed, but I am comfortable taking it around people. Thus it can't be too bad. Did I not take enough? I am still waiting for this feeling to die down. Yawning, blinking, and
activation of the tear ducts.
T+4:52 - I know I'm OK. This state will at some point end. I really wish I knew when, though.
T+5:03 - I wish I could stop blinking so much. How do I react to tryptamines? I'm confused. There are a lot of houghts in my head, and right now, I don't really like any of them. Not to mention, it's hard to stay on one train
of thoughts. It's also hard to type when my eyes keep wanting to be closed.
T+5:54 - I'm on Part 24 of the "best of whose line" videos. PAY ATTENTION TO HOW THOUGHTS GO WHEN SOBER!!! How is it different from right now?
T+7:17 - Pupils are still somewhat dilated but go to looking constricted upon application of flashlight. I am pretty hot again now. Meh. This is tolerable.
T+7:37 - Now I feel as if there are so many things I could be doing and I can't decide between them, they are all too great. This is such a change from earlier. I wish I knew _why_ I move between such headspaces when I'm on
psychedelics. I came close to throwing out my entire stash earlier, but I kept in mind "Don't do anything rash".
T+9:06 - I just returned from a shower. Before that, I had a 38 minute conversation with my parents in which I was a lot more talkative than usual. The effects are almost entirely, if not entirely gone.
Ingested ~25mg (although it could have been as much as 30mg) at 15:30. Heart rate right now is around 108-114. I noticed this increase sometime around T-0:10. I haven't eaten since around T-5:30. Thoughts are pretty much clear at the moment, setting is my dorm room. If this does turn out to be a "breakthrough" experience, I have a bed to lay down in and no one can disturb me. The door is locked and my phone is on vibrate, which I won't hear. I think writing my thoughts down in this way right now is somewhat anxiolytic. If the 4-AcO-DMT proves to be too much, I have some oxycodone prepared. I licked my fingertips after weighing out the powder last night, so I am positive that I am not allergic to it, and that it is not some more potent substance.
T+0:08 - Heart rate seems to be down to about 90-96 bpm.
T+0:12 - I just felt a physical sensation in my head. It could be starting already.
T+0:15 - Previous sensation disappeared. It may have been nothing. Pupils seem normal.
T+0:24 - Possible slight pupil dilation. I feel like I am saving the Whose Line episodes for once the chemical kicks in. Reading B&D 4-AcO-DMT thread now.
T+0:50 - A constant ringing in my ears has started. Seems to be slightly more on the left. CEV's are beginning.
T+1:23 - Text appears wavy. Mental state seems pretty clear-headed. Still waiting to see where this is going. Hopefully if I took enough, it will be somewhere interesting.
T+1:30 - After returning from checking the mail, text is not appearing nearly as wavy as before. This leads me to believe I am at or near the peak. Sense of smell seems somewhat enhanced.
T+1:52 - Even though I've never had any DMT, I know exactly what Xorkoth is saying when he describes a 4-AcO-DMT trip as a DMT afterglow. This is it. Oh, and because it didn't hit me for about an hour, that means it will probably last ~8 hours, based on bluelight research.
T+3:09 - It's hard to type. I fear perhaps that this is not 4-aco-dmt. I am sweating profusely and I feel I may pass out. Passing out would be a relief, so that I don't have to keep feeling as I do right now. The visuals are pretty strong. The effects for some reason appear to have reached a new level in the past few minutes and I don't really know why. I am yawning excessively.
T+3:16 - I just took 5 mg oxycodone. Not sure what this will do to me but hopefully kill the effects that I'm feeling right now slightly.
T+3:19 - OK so here's the logic. bad thoughts - i might be poisoned, ie this is a different chemical than i than i thought it was. Ingested 25-30 mg, so this coudl be VERY bad. However, saving grace, I did lick my fingers last night when weighing the 4-aco-dmt out. I proceeded to watch, for about an hour and a half, best of whose line videos on youtube. I was finding these hysterical.
T+3:26 - I keep needing to blink. This is a very odd headspace. Right up until about the 3 hour mark I was unbelievably happy. I literally could not believe how happy I was. I felt like every serotonin receptor in my brain was simultaneously being tickled. Now I just feel confused, is probably the best way to describe it. I'm finding it very hard to keep any sort of train of thought going. I do, however, feel that keeping a log of the trip like this will make for very interesting reading later.
T+3:28 - I almost feel like making a videolog, but I am not sure of the thickness of the walls. What would people think as they walk by my dorm room? (I am laughing out loud right now). I need footnotes of footnotes of footnotes. This is in no way making sense anymore, is it? I can't wait to be sober, I'm sure I'll get a kick out of this.
T+3:32 - I'm back in a positive headspace, although I may be on my way back down again. Perhaps I'm in some sort of oscillating loop. My heart feels like it's racing although I'm pretty sure, based on putting my hand on my chest, that it isn't.
T+3:34 - I'm still blinking a ton. Why? Why? Why? I wish I knew. There are so many Whys?. I can't know, so I need to let go. Everything seems to be affecting me to the nth degree right now. I think of something bad, or that I
don't like, and it sends me into "the bad place". I think of something I do like, and I get elated.
T+3:37 - This may be more than I've ever written. That's ok. I guess it's sort of stream of consciousness, as I think things, they go into this notepad document. I can hear people talking as they walk through the hallway, but I can't understand them. I did today what I didn't mean to do.
T+3:40 - I can think so much faster than I can type. I'm still "confused" - thoughts are going everywhere and I don't like it. Memory seems impaired. I'm feeling much more strongly than I normally do. There are negative thoughts and there are positive thoughts.
T+3:43 - I guess the writing is helping. I don't really know what else I would be doing to pass the time. I guess the ultimate thing I'm feeling is boredom. Nothing right now would satisfy me. I don't know what I want.
T+3:48 - The ability to do time related math has left me. I was not sure before if there was a fly here or if I was hallucinating it but now I am definitely sure there is a fly. I want the opiate to kick in. When I take a percocet, I consistently feel happy, and I just want to return to that happiness. I don't know why I'm in the state I'm in now.
T+3:53 - This is anything but clear-headed. Time is passing but not fast enough. I want to be doing something but I don't know what. Of all the things that could happen, I don't know which of them I want.
T+3:57 - I know this is physically benign. There is no substance that would kill me with this timeline. Well maybe there is, but certainly I haven't ingested it. None of those things, if they exist, could be in the powder that I ingested.
T+4:02 - Thought loops? Is that what this is? Or are they in sequence... I still don't know. I can't wait for this to be over. I'm in a state which is unpleasant. Thinking about a future which is less unpleasant helps.
T+4:05 - I don't think it's getting any stronger, but that was a weird transition a while back.
T+4:22 - Oxycodone is not renowned for being clear-headed, but I am comfortable taking it around people. Thus it can't be too bad. Did I not take enough? I am still waiting for this feeling to die down. Yawning, blinking, and
activation of the tear ducts.
T+4:52 - I know I'm OK. This state will at some point end. I really wish I knew when, though.
T+5:03 - I wish I could stop blinking so much. How do I react to tryptamines? I'm confused. There are a lot of houghts in my head, and right now, I don't really like any of them. Not to mention, it's hard to stay on one train
of thoughts. It's also hard to type when my eyes keep wanting to be closed.
T+5:54 - I'm on Part 24 of the "best of whose line" videos. PAY ATTENTION TO HOW THOUGHTS GO WHEN SOBER!!! How is it different from right now?
T+7:17 - Pupils are still somewhat dilated but go to looking constricted upon application of flashlight. I am pretty hot again now. Meh. This is tolerable.
T+7:37 - Now I feel as if there are so many things I could be doing and I can't decide between them, they are all too great. This is such a change from earlier. I wish I knew _why_ I move between such headspaces when I'm on
psychedelics. I came close to throwing out my entire stash earlier, but I kept in mind "Don't do anything rash".
T+9:06 - I just returned from a shower. Before that, I had a 38 minute conversation with my parents in which I was a lot more talkative than usual. The effects are almost entirely, if not entirely gone.
jdl55
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I finally got around to experimenting with this stuff yesterday. Very very fun, not at all challenging though, i was completely at ease pretty much the entire trip, which was a good thing in a way but also left me feeling like the experience was somehow cheaper than a mushroom trip (or an acid trip, or what have you). Basically no mental effects whatsoever, just euphoria and EXTREME lethargy. Going outside for a walk was such a mistake, i spent the majority of this trip in a recliner staring at my ceiling and loving it. The dosage i was shooting for was 7mg (was intended just to be an test run to see if i had allergies to it or if it was the wrong chemical), but my scale was quite wonky and i'm not really sure what i took. weighing the remainder of my stash and doing math leads me to believe it was closer to 12. whatever it was, it was comparable to about 3 or 4 g of shrooms in terms of visual and physical intensity, about 0g of shrooms in terms of difficulty. i'll write up a full report soon, but honestly i don't feel that compelled to. this was a trip on training wheels, very good for a nice afternoon of recreation, not really that interesting otherwise (at this dose at least).
full report: http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=524115
full report: http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=524115
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Jblazingphoenix100
Ex-Bluelighter
Woah dude ^ that was a mental story... put it in a trip report too so more people can read it.
My 40mg dose was too much...overwhelmingly visual to the point where I couldn't hold a conversation properly, but was still having a good time til a drunk put me in a wrong thought loop.
I then got a bit confused, decided to walk home in the pitch black, couldn't find my way home so decided to head back into the centre of the village...there I started thinking I was in India, and that a bunch of people worked for me, and we went and had a laugh, then I was having even more delusions of grandeur, got totally naked and chatted up some longhaired attractive women, before running up to the next pub where they wouldn't let me in.
After this I talked to some people, had some pics taken by a couple of girls, then decided to run off and see my ladyfriend, who was ill in bed with a kidney infection...
Luckily I got the wrong house, but I was having severe hallucinations and thought some other people were in "her" house, so started banging on the door, jumping on the Jaguar out front, and telling people I knew who I saw walk past to go to sleep.
THe police got called and I got peppersprayed and handcuffed, taken back to the station and spent 12 hours in custody, before they let me off with a formal caution - I am now the ultimate hero of the village, everyone thought it was absolutely hilarious...
The old people whose house I was outside were scared though, so I'm going to go and apologize and pay for some damage I made to a garden gnome.
WIll clean this up into a proper trip report, it was a great experience, but I know that high doses of anything for me are only to be had AT HOME with friends or alone.
My 40mg dose was too much...overwhelmingly visual to the point where I couldn't hold a conversation properly, but was still having a good time til a drunk put me in a wrong thought loop.
I then got a bit confused, decided to walk home in the pitch black, couldn't find my way home so decided to head back into the centre of the village...there I started thinking I was in India, and that a bunch of people worked for me, and we went and had a laugh, then I was having even more delusions of grandeur, got totally naked and chatted up some longhaired attractive women, before running up to the next pub where they wouldn't let me in.
After this I talked to some people, had some pics taken by a couple of girls, then decided to run off and see my ladyfriend, who was ill in bed with a kidney infection...
Luckily I got the wrong house, but I was having severe hallucinations and thought some other people were in "her" house, so started banging on the door, jumping on the Jaguar out front, and telling people I knew who I saw walk past to go to sleep.
THe police got called and I got peppersprayed and handcuffed, taken back to the station and spent 12 hours in custody, before they let me off with a formal caution - I am now the ultimate hero of the village, everyone thought it was absolutely hilarious...
The old people whose house I was outside were scared though, so I'm going to go and apologize and pay for some damage I made to a garden gnome.
WIll clean this up into a proper trip report, it was a great experience, but I know that high doses of anything for me are only to be had AT HOME with friends or alone.
Help?!?!
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You sir, are a good person!
Oh1o0hwhyO
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this has really become one of my favorites. i would choose it over mushrooms if given the choice. i find that ~28mg puts my mind in the most perfect of places. nice clear calm relaxing while still being very deep. it is such a comfortable experience no rough body feeling, no nausea (at least for me). i gotta say, except for lsd there is really no other psychedelic i prefer to this, that i have tried. i'm not really a big fan of a lot of the 2cx family and i have yet to try smoked dmt, and i still have to try a bit of the other substituted tryptamines. but i would very much like to explore the other trypts. currently i am curious about 4-ho-met. anyone have experience with it, perhaps compared to 4-aco-dmt, 4-ho-dmt? i have read a few comparisons saying 4-ho-met is more visual and has a little bit more 'mindfuck' than 4-aco. would that be an accurate assessment?
love_sex_desire
Bluelighter
I'm assuming he was addressing your trip report, which to me does not sound much like 4-AcO-DMT, although the negative effects may have been caused by too large of a dose for a first time. No mention of visuals, so hard to say how much your visuals resembles the visuals I get from 4-AcO-DMT, but I will agree that it can be very euphoric and cause great feelings of elation, but without intermittent periods of negativity for me. It feels very benign and not deep in a pushy way, but is very enjoyable, sedating, eyphoric and colourful with the possibility for mystical thoughts if that is a direction one chooses to go with this compound. Fairly versatile, great visuals, no anxiety or bodyload/nausea with most of the positives of mushrooms, although fairly distinct, except lacking the intense philosophical push of mushrooms which it makes up for with it's malleability that can be used to direct the trip into a more philosophical headspace.
After trying 2C-I and 2C-E, 2C-E was my favourite rc which was replaced by my so far single experience with 2C-T-7, but right now I'm feeling 4-AcO-DMT is my favourite rc due to the benign mental and physical nature of the experience and versatility.
MagickalKat777
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It really sounds like a 2:1 ratio of 4-AcO-DMT to 4-HO-MET would be out of this universe... From reading so much about the two (while I'm DYING for mine to get here), I really think that they would complement/complete each other...
Jblazingphoenix100
Ex-Bluelighter
My next experience with this chemical will be 22-25mg which has been left for an hour in a lemon juice solution.
I was talking about DSG's trip report.
Didn't particularly sound like 4-AcO-DMT to me either, maybe let me or one of the mods know which vendor you got it from, and someone can look into it further maybe...hopefully it wasn't just your adverse reaction to 4-aco, which is truly one of my top 5.
I was talking about DSG's trip report.
Didn't particularly sound like 4-AcO-DMT to me either, maybe let me or one of the mods know which vendor you got it from, and someone can look into it further maybe...hopefully it wasn't just your adverse reaction to 4-aco, which is truly one of my top 5.
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love_sex_desire, in terms of the visuals, when I was reading things the text appeared wavy. At various points, looking at the carpet caused some patterning to come out. The OEV's weren't all too intense, but during the initial part of the trip the CEV's were. It was like the music I was listening to was producing them inside my head. Everything was multicolored, and most of it was geometric in nature, sometimes fractal-y.
I got your PM, Jblazingphoenix100, which of course I can't reply to. Would you be so kind as to PM me your e-mail address or something so we can talk further?
I got your PM, Jblazingphoenix100, which of course I can't reply to. Would you be so kind as to PM me your e-mail address or something so we can talk further?
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General alcazar
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Not the larger doses reported yet, but I also finally was able to try this stuff. I've tried 4aco and 4ho versions of DET, DIPT and MIPT and I also like this one the best of all, and much more than psilocin (in fungus). The effects the most complete and least confusing of the lot. In fact the clarity and lack of body load is phenomenal - I wish I had tried this sooner.
I have only tried DMT with caapi once but this is indeed very close to that experience, albeit not as intense. Note that I've not pushed past 20 mg so far and I expect it will be like a full blown DMT trip at higher doses. The visuals are very nice and pronounced. I always felt that the others mentioned above each lacked something the other had, and I feel like all those parts are present with this. I plan try each type of 4ACO that I have now, 1 week apart at comparable doses (hopefully including 4ho-met - I loved MET a lot) to see if what I remember is is indeed correct. I still feel like each one has its own character and it is nice to have access to them all.
I have only tried DMT with caapi once but this is indeed very close to that experience, albeit not as intense. Note that I've not pushed past 20 mg so far and I expect it will be like a full blown DMT trip at higher doses. The visuals are very nice and pronounced. I always felt that the others mentioned above each lacked something the other had, and I feel like all those parts are present with this. I plan try each type of 4ACO that I have now, 1 week apart at comparable doses (hopefully including 4ho-met - I loved MET a lot) to see if what I remember is is indeed correct. I still feel like each one has its own character and it is nice to have access to them all.
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the only thing I dislike about this one is its tendency to lock the subject to the couch, curled under a blanket, etc... Instead, I wish it was a bit more stimulating than sedating. It would be lovely for outdoor fests with grass to lay in but a but awkward for urban venues with no comfy places to loung.
polidelaiko
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There are LOTS of stimulant psychedelics, I think its sedating nature its a blessing.
General alcazar
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Yes, the sedation is unique I think amongst tryptamines I've tried and it is a blessing. It's nice to relax into a trip. If I want a stimulating tryptamine 'trip' 4acoMIPT is a better choice. Anyone notice a stronger and rapid onset of tolerance ( ie - redosing 1 hr into it does nothing to intensify the trip) then with other 4substituted tryptamines ? Seems like with a lot of the others bumps work better.
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