The Benzodiazepine Thread v. IV

[sonic_reality]

I will read this post in a couple of months...

hehe good luck with that... 8)

know how ya feel tho bro. i certainly don't want to get addicted to benzos again, but i know it i had a bottle of xannies in front of me, i wouldn't be able to stop until they were all gone!!!

such amazingly evil little fuckers!!!

 

[nobodyspecial]

Tl ; dr

 

[yatch101]

Just an Opinion...

Valium/diazapam - Muscle relaxant, I guess this can relieve some anxiety - Tolerance - Depends on frequency of use, its got a long half life.

Temazepam -Muscle relaxant, best for sleeping conditions - Tolerance - Depends on how frequently used.

Serepax - Muscle relaxant - Good for social anxiety - Tolerance - Depends on how frequently its used

Clonazepam - Muscle relaxant - Long half life - Don't know too much about it.. - Tolerance - Same as all benzos

Xanax 2mg bars - Muscle relaxant - Probably the best for social anxiety, best not to drink on it, regular use can cause short term memory loss. Tolerance - Using Xanax for recreation purposes (refusing to sleep) will build your tolerance quick. Restricting yourself to a low level dosage (1/4 bar half bar) will reduce your dependence. Apparently Xanax was created to get people off valium....

In the end using benzos for recreation/sleep/anxiety will make you dependent on them. Mixing benzos is just going to increase your tolerance. It's best to stick to a low dosage and try not to take it routinely.

My opinion.. stay the fuck away from seroquel.

 

[Captain Brewster]

^ why so sown on the Seroquel? I was going to give it a crack soon.

 

[Potty]

Benzo's and weed don't mix well for me.

The second time I had benzo's was after a night out. I woke up and had a couple of solid bong hits before breakfast, and decided to have a Lorazepam. A mate of mine insists that benzo's are good with booze so I had a beer sometime in the moring. A few hours later it started to wear off so I had a second. And that second one completely fucked with my memory. I became so confused that I forgot if I had taken the second one or not. I can't remember much of the day; just a few flashbacks of picking up the packet and a few more of going to the beach with my gf.

The next day I checked the packed and another 4 were missing from the pack; and I can't remember taking them at all. And worse than that, I woke up with a haircut, which I can't remember driving to, but a friend says she saw me walking into a hair dressers some time after lunch time. I went to work that day and got literally nothing done, just stared at a screen all day. My mind didn't function and I couldn't remeber what I had done 5 minutes previously. It scared the shit out of me, having no recollection of what happened. And when I took benzo's by themself I was fine.

 

[Mr Blonde]

Quick benzo question, anyone have serepax before? I got offered them before xanax but I lied and said Ive had them before and had bad side effects from them because I thought they were an anti depressant
Got home and googled it and its oxazepam, I'm guessing a weaker version of valium? anyone?

Yep it's a weaker version of diazepam, I liked it in higher doses and in combinations with opioids but by itself it's a bit too weak for my liking.

On another note, I had IV midazolam the other day for an endoscopy... that was a lot of fun. :D

Potty: It sounds more like you aren't experienced with benzos, and weren't prepared for the effects they can have on memory. The alcohol wouldn't have helped either.

 

[pinkanga]

When you say a weaker "version" of diazepam, you just mean as far as equivalent dosages right? Or is it literally the same compound (or whatever, sorry was never a big chemistry guy)...

Its like disaepam is a weaker benzo than alprazolam in as much 0.5mg is equivalent to 5mg diazepam. Some say 1mg alpraz is equiv. to 5mg diazepam but personally I think its more like 1mg = 10mg diazepam/valium.

Anyway, on a separate note, just curious if anyone knows if temazepam is ever prescribed for anxiety? I got a script today and got it filled at a different chemist and the pharmacist gave me some literature (as they do), and the entire thing was about temaz as a sleeping pill basically. I guess when used correctly that pretty much is all its good for (ie. 10-20mg. Even 5mg). Pleasurable benzo effects only really come from around the 40mg+ range.

I do know there seems to be many people online who claim it to be their favourite benzo, which I always found surprising. Dont get me wrong Im happy to get the script but it doesnt tweak my benzo boner like say xanax or valium does.

 

[Mr Blonde]

When you say a weaker "version" of diazepam, you just mean as far as equivalent dosages right? Or is it literally the same compound (or whatever, sorry was never a big chemistry guy)...

Its like disaepam is a weaker benzo than alprazolam in as much 0.5mg is equivalent to 5mg diazepam. Some say 1mg alpraz is equiv. to 5mg diazepam but personally I think its more like 1mg = 10mg diazepam/valium.

No problems, sorry I wasn't very clear about it.

Oxazepam is a metabolite of diazepam, and the dosage required for an equivalent effect is larger. It has largely the same effects in my experience, such as the muscle relaxant properties and the calming but it takes more to get there and since it usually only comes in bottles of 25 tablets (I think), it's generally considered not as worthwhile a benzodiazepine.

Anyway, on a separate note, just curious if anyone knows if temazepam is ever prescribed for anxiety? I got a script today and got it filled at a different chemist and the pharmacist gave me some literature (as they do), and the entire thing was about temaz as a sleeping pill basically. I guess when used correctly that pretty much is all its good for (ie. 10-20mg. Even 5mg). Pleasurable benzo effects only really come from around the 40mg+ range.

I do know there seems to be many people online who claim it to be their favourite benzo, which I always found surprising. Dont get me wrong Im happy to get the script but tweak my benzo boner like say xanax or valium does.

I've never heard of it being prescribed for anxiety, but like all other benzodiazepines it has that property. It mainly gets used for sleep, I suppose because it could be considered somewhat more sedating then say alprazolam or whatever, and it's half-life and length of pharmacological action lends itself to being used for sleep without too much of a hangover the next day (mileage may vary of course).

It is pretty popular for recreational use, personally I prefer other benzodiazepines but it's all subjective I suppose.

 

[pinkanga]

Oh absolutely I prefer other stuff for rec use. But fuckw I aint gonna turn down a script for it. Especially when I have 2 docs happy to hand them out to me. I was a little worried today as I actually got a temaz script on sunday from a separate doc and it just turns out that my adhd psych was is in a good mood or something and happily handed out a temaz script when I asked him ( ive asked for valium before but he spouted the haflife nonsense.... nonsense in as much as diazepam is good enough for house wive and middle-aged fucking women but a 30 year old male with no signs of addictive or abusive behaviour, even after years of dexamphetamine use is considered too risky for a valium script........... some shit about half-life and the risk of getting into a car accident the next day and having it still in your system. Obviously temaz has a shorter half-life so its less of a potential risk) ... But anyway what I was going to say was I was worried about getting 2 prescriptions made up so close to each other but temaz doesnt qualify as serious enough to warrant being entered in some linked up in a computer database I guess, because the pharmacist didnt mention anything.

Meanwhile temaz comes in boxes of 25 and last about 4 days. Maybe I should just save them for sleep.... its not like I cant get other benzos somewhat regularly. I actually have 30 1mg xanax at home too which is cool. It just gets on my nerves.... my mum presented to her GP with (admittedly) all the signs of anxiety, not to mention shes an incessant worrier, and the GP threw a standard box of 50 valium at her. And she basically can get another box whenever the fuck she fees like it. Turns out she had a thyroid thing and the valium wasnt necessary really.

Anyway, rant over. Im probably not as fluently coherent (as I like to think I am), but I blame that on the triple Glen Livet on the rocks with a 2mg alpraz chaser I had earlier. Been a while since I had alpraz so my tolerance has reduced a little. Something to happy about I guess.

Anyway.... peace!

 

[Mr Blonde]

but temaz doesnt qualify as serious enough to warrant being entered in some linked up in a computer database I guess, because the pharmacist didnt mention anything.

The database isn't online yet, and when it is it will be S8 drugs only, so that wouldn't have been caught anyway.

Glad to hear you tolerance is down... I had some diazepam last week and it seems my tolerance is down a little but I still didn't get much out of the low dose I had.

 

[Mr Blonde]

Im not a chem wizz, but temazepam gets converted in the body as diazepam correct? so oxazepam is a weaker version again of that, but the body breaks it down slower into diazepam? am i on the right course?

No, temazepam is not metabolized into diazepam. Diazepam gets metabolized into temazepam and oxazepam though, not in a sequential order but at the same time by different enzymes. Drug mentor has a humorous anecdote relating to this.

 

[Mr Blonde]

^ Why should they do that? Different benzodiazepines have their advantages; diazepam has a longer half-life without the amnesiac qualities of phenazepam, plus it also has increased muscle relaxant properties in my experience which makes it useful for certain conditions. Many people find temazepam to be more sedating then alprazolam, phenazepam or etizolam and again it has way less amnesic properties then phenazepam. Many other benzodiazepines get used in clinical settings for specific reasons, e.g. IV midazolam is often used for anesthetic purposes and for this it is better then alprazolam, phenazepam or etizolam would be. Lorazepam is commonly used in a clinical setting to end a seizure.

And even though for recreational purposes we may look down on oxazepam, for people who are sensitive to benzodiazepines, it may be just the drug to treat their condition. I suppose being on here it might be easy to forget that these drugs have myriad purposes, especially once you get past the obvious uses of sleep and anxiety.

 

[pinkanga]

You mean benzos have non-recreational uses? Well Ill be damned. What a novel concept! Imagine me saying that in a thick Texan drawl. A classic Kentucky accent that them there folks out it the hills all be talkin like.... you best be watching yourself son. City boy like you might get mistook for a large game or some't ... and my daddy aint in the habit of thinking 'fore he shoots is all. Is that damn oxy I tells ya.... give me my buds anyday..... but like it or not its the way of the future. Where all the money be at.

lol sorry Im deep into season 2 of Justified. For the initiated it stars Olyphant as a US Marshall sent home to the Kentucky office after getting a little trigger happy with a crim in Miami. Turns out ol' Marshall Gibbens has more of Kentucky running through his veins than he cares to acknowledge.... Olyphant makes the show of course (think Deadwood).... hes the sort of actor that has the ability to keep anyone transfixed on his character, hetero or otherwise (well I hope so anyway 'cos I have his poster on my wall now and hes my computer desktop background. Thats normal right? RIIIGHT?).

lol just kidding. Great show though. Its no classic like you might get on HBO like the Sopranos, The Wire, Deadwood, Game of Thrones or whatever, but it a worthy time waster. Think the doco The Wonderful Whites of West Virginia fleshed out into a dramatized TV series and youre on the right track.

Ok the fuck what was the point of this post? Oh yeah.... I was being a dickhead. Sorry guys.

Fuck me though, 5mg zanny bars would be mental. Imagine all the ravers knocking those back on a sat/sun morning. Of course some fuckin hero wearing a muscle shirt (or lets face it, what shirt lol) would begin swalling 2 5mg zannie bars while saving a few to ease back into the working week. Dude would be a FUCKING WRECK in 2 weeks or less. Hed be doing 5mg in the morning then 5mg at night to chill out and watch wheel of fortune. Then hes doing 5mg in the am, 5mg in his lunch break then 5mg at night....

Then he runs out and suddenly he has a daily 15mg alprazolam habit. Hell cold turkey it for a couple days 'cos hes a tough nigga. Next thing he know hes lying in the fetal position just totally FUCKED. Texting everyone he knows trying to score some more xanax. Not a pretty scene.

Dont get me wrong though.. I fucking love alprazolam. But Ive learnt no more than 2 * 1mg pills a day. Look forward to them. Saviour them. Be SMART. And shock horror, having 0.5mg instead of 1mg can work great. Absolutely. I have a natural aversion to moderation for some reason.... something to do with Im feeling rad, and I have more of the stuff that made me feel rad in my desk drawer then fuck it. Im having more. Moderation always seems so grown up and boring as fuck....... but honestly its a case by case basis. If were talking getting 3 scoops of peanut butter chocolate in a waffle cone but your sensibility and grown-up moderating mindset tells you to get 1 scoop in a rfucking regular cone. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO guess what.... thats not gonna get the juices flowing..... that aint gonna get your anticipatory adrenalin pumping, so screw it, get the triple scoop in the waffle, love the shit out of it and be happy.

But if youre as smart as you think you are then a couple of tough lessons learned with benzos are quite literally invaluable. They can change your life... not in an instant but inch by inch youll nudge yourself onto a different path, and the worst thing is that path isnt necessarily the cliche path of doing anything and everything it takes to get hold of them. ie. the stereo typical drug user who will sell his dads left nut for a fix then apologise profusely later. Sure it ight get to that, but benzos are pretty fucking easy to get hold of. No the real danger is the subtle shift in self perception that is the result of the brain not producing enough gaba.... and consequnetly affecting your decision making ( lack thereof). Suddenly your general roe-of-the-mill anxietey is through the roof and your avoidant behaviour and tendencies are back in full force. Youre skipping social engagements and work opportunities because youre in total freak out mode. And shit just goes down the toilet.

So you may not be breaking into houses to steal TVs to pawn for the your weekly H fix, but whos to say the situation you find yourself in is any different? But thats a conversation for another time I think. Ready for bed and this post is way too long.... fucjing fingers just wont stop tonight.

 

[Mr Blonde]

^ What the hell did I just read?

Seems like you are having a fun night.

 

[Mr Blonde]

^ No that's cool, I was more thinking out loud/discussing, not trying to call you out brother.

 

[pinkanga]

lol sorry just babbling. I dont even want to read that.

 

[drug_mentor]

You mean benzos have non-recreational uses? Well Ill be damned. What a novel concept! Imagine me saying that in a thick Texan drawl. A classic Kentucky accent that them there folks out it the hills all be talkin like.... you best be watching yourself son. City boy like you might get mistook for a large game or some't ... and my daddy aint in the habit of thinking 'fore he shoots is all. Is that damn oxy I tells ya.... give me my buds anyday..... but like it or not its the way of the future. Where all the money be at.

lol sorry Im deep into season 2 of Justified. For the initiated it stars Olyphant as a US Marshall sent home to the Kentucky office after getting a little trigger happy with a crim in Miami. Turns out ol' Marshall Gibbens has more of Kentucky running through his veins than he cares to acknowledge.... Olyphant makes the show of course (think Deadwood).... hes the sort of actor that has the ability to keep anyone transfixed on his character, hetero or otherwise (well I hope so anyway 'cos I have his poster on my wall now and hes my computer desktop background. Thats normal right? RIIIGHT?).

lol just kidding. Great show though. Its no classic like you might get on HBO like the Sopranos, The Wire, Deadwood, Game of Thrones or whatever, but it a worthy time waster. Think the doco The Wonderful Whites of West Virginia fleshed out into a dramatized TV series and youre on the right track.

Ok the fuck what was the point of this post? Oh yeah.... I was being a dickhead. Sorry guys.

Fuck me though, 5mg zanny bars would be mental. Imagine all the ravers knocking those back on a sat/sun morning. Of course some fuckin hero wearing a muscle shirt (or lets face it, what shirt lol) would begin swalling 2 5mg zannie bars while saving a few to ease back into the working week. Dude would be a FUCKING WRECK in 2 weeks or less. Hed be doing 5mg in the morning then 5mg at night to chill out and watch wheel of fortune. Then hes doing 5mg in the am, 5mg in his lunch break then 5mg at night....

Then he runs out and suddenly he has a daily 15mg alprazolam habit. Hell cold turkey it for a couple days 'cos hes a tough nigga. Next thing he know hes lying in the fetal position just totally FUCKED. Texting everyone he knows trying to score some more xanax. Not a pretty scene.

Dont get me wrong though.. I fucking love alprazolam. But Ive learnt no more than 2 * 1mg pills a day. Look forward to them. Saviour them. Be SMART. And shock horror, having 0.5mg instead of 1mg can work great. Absolutely. I have a natural aversion to moderation for some reason.... something to do with Im feeling rad, and I have more of the stuff that made me feel rad in my desk drawer then fuck it. Im having more. Moderation always seems so grown up and boring as fuck....... but honestly its a case by case basis. If were talking getting 3 scoops of peanut butter chocolate in a waffle cone but your sensibility and grown-up moderating mindset tells you to get 1 scoop in a rfucking regular cone. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO guess what.... thats not gonna get the juices flowing..... that aint gonna get your anticipatory adrenalin pumping, so screw it, get the triple scoop in the waffle, love the shit out of it and be happy.

But if youre as smart as you think you are then a couple of tough lessons learned with benzos are quite literally invaluable. They can change your life... not in an instant but inch by inch youll nudge yourself onto a different path, and the worst thing is that path isnt necessarily the cliche path of doing anything and everything it takes to get hold of them. ie. the stereo typical drug user who will sell his dads left nut for a fix then apologise profusely later. Sure it ight get to that, but benzos are pretty fucking easy to get hold of. No the real danger is the subtle shift in self perception that is the result of the brain not producing enough gaba.... and consequnetly affecting your decision making ( lack thereof). Suddenly your general roe-of-the-mill anxietey is through the roof and your avoidant behaviour and tendencies are back in full force. Youre skipping social engagements and work opportunities because youre in total freak out mode. And shit just goes down the toilet.

So you may not be breaking into houses to steal TVs to pawn for the your weekly H fix, but whos to say the situation you find yourself in is any different? But thats a conversation for another time I think. Ready for bed and this post is way too long.... fucjing fingers just wont stop tonight.

LMAO man your clearly having a good time, that first paragraph in particular was so random.... I actually laughed out loud. Completely OT but I always thought that Justified show looked gay as fuck, to each their own however.

I really don't see a need for 5mg alprazolam tablets, 2mg is a relatively strong benzo dose for sticking to therapeutic purposes and for anyone with a monster tolerance it isn't hard to take an extra tablet or two.

 

[Mr Blonde]

^ I wasn't benzo babbling, I'm trying to stay away from benzodiazepines... my girlfriend gives me a couple Valium occasionally and I'm going to try and keep it at that given the bad time I had with them last year.

 

[SpiritFolk]

Hey since I'm in thailand, i have untold xannies, valium, dxm (pure form) and some pharms have temaz and bupe (however bupe like THB 1000 for a pack of .2mg not 2mg but .2mg with the tolerance I have now 4mg for bupe would do me fine but I woulh have to pay THB 4000 (thats a lot of yaba) so fuck that.

Any ways my question is what people's fav combo as I'm find 4mh xannax, 20mg valium as I nice start the today, been doinf this doinf this daily for5 days and already wanting to increase the dose. Maybe diff combos will prduce better highs and reduce and w/d.

Can benzos trolerance bulid that fast? and also will I W?D if i do this for another week? might get a few pax taper as Europe is next stop and I'm not sure it will be easy to get benzos witout a script there.

Anyways having a ball here!!!! and I brought some of those LSD dots and ate 3 on my bucks night but had some many benzos/whiskey, I was tripping harder when I woke up 4 hours are dropping lol

 

[justsayknow]

I think tolerance and withdrawals might be on the cards for you with daily use at that level for several weeks. Yep probably a good idea to taper off before you leave.
Personally I dont combine them at all but maybe you would get some interesting effects.

I was going to ask anyone here if they had experience with black market phenazepam powder that was going around locally at the end of last year from an internet source that is now defunct. Specifically if anyone else had the experience of recieving adulterated or cut powder? I was reading that dosages should be roughly equivalent to alprazolam but after getting some milligram scales found that I required dosages much more similar to diazepam. ie according to product info approximately 4mg should have been plenty or even too much but after experimenting it seemed like 10mg is much closer to the mark. Tolerance was not the issue because I can still achieve the desired effects from 10mg of diazepam. Not sure how they cut it or what with or even if it was substituted for a different powder all together.