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Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine FAQ & Megathread v2; 2010
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jamesBrown
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comparing sublingual vs IV'ing is kinda tricky because allthough you can technically say that the BA's are different and if you tae a certain dose of sub Sl, it can equal the same dose of sub IV...tehre are other factors to consider...
such as the fact that a IV dose hits your brain much quicker and may result in increased euphoria, but it also relsults in the nned to dose more often usually. So although a ~2mg's SL is approximately equal to a 0.5mg dose IV, there are other things to consider when talking about the exact effects it can have on your brain/body.
I think snorting is a good "happy medium" to where the bupe hits your brain much quicker than SL, has a higher BA, and therefore can help you experience the "euphoria" more easily than SL.
but still, I use all ROA's for suboxone and i find that all of them, if used correctly, can have somewhat equal beneficial effects, it jsut takes experimentation. Allthough I will admit that i think snorting is more efficient than SL, and plugging is more efficient at producing euphoria than snorting, and that IV has the highest BA of all and causes the bupe to hit your brain quicker. But, I have actually noticed more euphoria plugging then IV'ing for the most part for some reason.
I dont know, everyones different, you jsut gotta figure out what works best for you.
such as the fact that a IV dose hits your brain much quicker and may result in increased euphoria, but it also relsults in the nned to dose more often usually. So although a ~2mg's SL is approximately equal to a 0.5mg dose IV, there are other things to consider when talking about the exact effects it can have on your brain/body.
I think snorting is a good "happy medium" to where the bupe hits your brain much quicker than SL, has a higher BA, and therefore can help you experience the "euphoria" more easily than SL.
but still, I use all ROA's for suboxone and i find that all of them, if used correctly, can have somewhat equal beneficial effects, it jsut takes experimentation. Allthough I will admit that i think snorting is more efficient than SL, and plugging is more efficient at producing euphoria than snorting, and that IV has the highest BA of all and causes the bupe to hit your brain quicker. But, I have actually noticed more euphoria plugging then IV'ing for the most part for some reason.
I dont know, everyones different, you jsut gotta figure out what works best for you.
wow. . . guess i musta done something wrong, or rather, said something wrong in my post? or in earlier posts? was hoping for some advice from ANY or -- egad! -- ALL of you.
& instead i get nothing. although the BA convo is interesting, & also on point a bit re: what *I* was asking. . .
so skag: what are you currently taking? 1 mg twice a day? 1)how big are you (ha ha -- leave the jokes aside people) and 2) what was yer drug use BEFORE the subs and 3) how LONG was yer drug use before and 4) how long you been on subs and 5) what exactly is yer dose (and dosing method) now?
just REALLY curious, cuz i got some theories about myself that i just wanna compare to some other people. . .
thanks in advance,
covert
& instead i get nothing. although the BA convo is interesting, & also on point a bit re: what *I* was asking. . .
so skag: what are you currently taking? 1 mg twice a day? 1)how big are you (ha ha -- leave the jokes aside people) and 2) what was yer drug use BEFORE the subs and 3) how LONG was yer drug use before and 4) how long you been on subs and 5) what exactly is yer dose (and dosing method) now?
just REALLY curious, cuz i got some theories about myself that i just wanna compare to some other people. . .
thanks in advance,
covert
MissAlly
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Can anyone tell me how to prepare Suboxone to IV it?
I just tried this method:
1. crush a 4mg tablet in 1st spoon
2. dissolve in 91% ISO alcohol
3. pull through cotton and put in spoon 2
4. add more ISO and repeat step #3
5. use lighter to evaporate alcohol
6. add 4ml of water to leftover solution (a few tiny orange speckles was all that was left!)
7. pull up through rig one more time and use
What could I have done wrong???
Could I have cooked away the bupe?
My history: I used to shoot oc,morph,dilaudid,h...and all that good stuff. then, i decided to get on suboxone (stayed on it for 2 months). I stopped taking it all together a week ago and haven't touched any other opiates, so I figured that I have little tolerance. I want to try this again, but hate to waste the pills. I've heard of people able to get a rush off iving bupe and wanted to try for myself after a lot of research.
If anyone knows a better way or what I could have done wrong, please help me out!
Thanks
I just tried this method:
1. crush a 4mg tablet in 1st spoon
2. dissolve in 91% ISO alcohol
3. pull through cotton and put in spoon 2
4. add more ISO and repeat step #3
5. use lighter to evaporate alcohol
6. add 4ml of water to leftover solution (a few tiny orange speckles was all that was left!)
7. pull up through rig one more time and use
What could I have done wrong???
Could I have cooked away the bupe?
My history: I used to shoot oc,morph,dilaudid,h...and all that good stuff. then, i decided to get on suboxone (stayed on it for 2 months). I stopped taking it all together a week ago and haven't touched any other opiates, so I figured that I have little tolerance. I want to try this again, but hate to waste the pills. I've heard of people able to get a rush off iving bupe and wanted to try for myself after a lot of research.
If anyone knows a better way or what I could have done wrong, please help me out!
Thanks
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MissAlly
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are u saing that's all i should do, or what?
what is a micron filter? I've always just used a piece of a q-tip
Captain.Heroin
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This is micron filtering. Check out that link and PM me with any questions you might have, but read the entire first post first.
I believe she is trying to take the advantage of some inactive ingredients not being soluble in isopropanol.
No, you probably just didn't care for the effects. It doesn't effect everyone the same as is, and people who have a tolerance to full agonist opiates may get less out of doing this. I have a friend who shoots dilaudid and even with a decent tolerance to IV dilaudid, they enjoyed a shot of Suboxone (when they weren't on dilaudid because they ran out).
It's not as "euphoric" as a full agonist, but I still get good effects from an extremely small dose. I think the key to IV buprenorphine being a successful experience is having a low opiate tolerance in the first place. Otherwise, it may barely be felt. At first I could barely feel "high" from it, and as I tapered down and stayed away from heroin, I got way more out of it.
MissAlly
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Definite benefit in using micron filters...but i don't have any tonight. Where would I even be able to find those?
I'm still confused on the whole "separating Naloxone" process...Do I even need to? I haven't taken any other opiates in months so I shouldn't have to worry about the w/d right?
I just can't believe that I crushed half an 8mg tablet, went through that whole process, and got nothing out of it! Would it be safe to just crush the pill and skip the iso alcohol part? Just set-up like any other pill?
I'm still confused on the whole "separating Naloxone" process...Do I even need to? I haven't taken any other opiates in months so I shouldn't have to worry about the w/d right?
I just can't believe that I crushed half an 8mg tablet, went through that whole process, and got nothing out of it! Would it be safe to just crush the pill and skip the iso alcohol part? Just set-up like any other pill?
Captain.Heroin
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Read the first post, I explained that.
Naloxone is essentially inert. There's no need to worry about it.
I wouldn't shoot a whole 8mg pill, that's just a bad idea IMO. If you can't get micron filters it's best not to shoot Suboxone IMO. Filtering with cotton/coffee filters is a great alternative to not filtering but micron filtering is the best possible solution in this case.
Znegative
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seems like theres a lot of people new to I.V suboxone here.. then again, it wasn't so long ago that I started putted the orange bastards in the spoon!
Anyway, I'm so happy to be back on suboxone. I once again made the transition back from heroin to suboxone, and I truly hope that it stays this way. It seems every time I get off the subs, my dope habits get worse and worse. This last week and a half I was doing about a bundle a day, my tolerance just sky rocketed! It was so pointless too. With full agonists, when you get to the point where your really strung out, you don't really get high anymore, you just get straight, which is how I eventually reasoned myself back onto the suboxone. That and I've also been struggling with benzo's, and the two habits were just to expensive, and I found myself stealing from those I love, which i am furious at myself for.
I used to have all these mixed feelings about buprenorphine, that it was just another opiate, yadayada, so it was okay to switch over to oxy, junk, whatever, whenever I wanted, but I'm starting to really appreciate it for what it does do for me.
I'm going to continue taking a relatively high dosage for at least a few weeks, just because I don't want to risk going back out on the streets and copping. I know with at least 8 mg in me, there's not a chance I'll get high, so I just make sure to pop it in my mouth (or put it in my arm 1 mg shots) every morning, or throughout the day. It's way better to be on suboxone then the shit that's out on the streets. The dopes been so hit and miss here, it's almost bad if you get a good batch, because it means that you'll have to do twice as much if you can't get the same stuff again. Fuck being sick man, I hope I never screw up again.
Anyway, I'm so happy to be back on suboxone. I once again made the transition back from heroin to suboxone, and I truly hope that it stays this way. It seems every time I get off the subs, my dope habits get worse and worse. This last week and a half I was doing about a bundle a day, my tolerance just sky rocketed! It was so pointless too. With full agonists, when you get to the point where your really strung out, you don't really get high anymore, you just get straight, which is how I eventually reasoned myself back onto the suboxone. That and I've also been struggling with benzo's, and the two habits were just to expensive, and I found myself stealing from those I love, which i am furious at myself for.
I used to have all these mixed feelings about buprenorphine, that it was just another opiate, yadayada, so it was okay to switch over to oxy, junk, whatever, whenever I wanted, but I'm starting to really appreciate it for what it does do for me.
I'm going to continue taking a relatively high dosage for at least a few weeks, just because I don't want to risk going back out on the streets and copping. I know with at least 8 mg in me, there's not a chance I'll get high, so I just make sure to pop it in my mouth (or put it in my arm 1 mg shots) every morning, or throughout the day. It's way better to be on suboxone then the shit that's out on the streets. The dopes been so hit and miss here, it's almost bad if you get a good batch, because it means that you'll have to do twice as much if you can't get the same stuff again. Fuck being sick man, I hope I never screw up again.
SubDude
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You just nailed it... regarding the best reason for getting on subs. Stopping the cycle of using street dope with all the costs and risks that go with it... along with hurting yourself and those you care about. It just aint worth it!!
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The New Suboxone sublingual strips
Does anyone know anything about these new Suboxone thin strip things (think listerine stripes that dissolve on your tounge, looks like a piece of tape)? Has anyone tried them and if so do they work as good?
Does anyone know anything about these new Suboxone thin strip things (think listerine stripes that dissolve on your tounge, looks like a piece of tape)? Has anyone tried them and if so do they work as good?
Just picked some up from a friend today. He said his doctor told them that the pills have been discontinued and that they will only have strips from now on. They say 8mg Suboxone on the wrapper and my friend said that they're like listerine strips which dissolve much faster than the pills, don't taste as bad, and he claims that the BA is higher but I don't know about that.
I still have a few of the orange pills left and I'm going to finish those before I try the strips so it'll be about a week before I try the new strips.
Ha. Tell this to a suffering schizophrenic, someone suffering from bipolar disorder, hell, someone with high blood pressure, high cholesterol.
It broke my heart to realize about ten years ago that I was destined to take anti-depressants for the rest of my life. Thank God I am, or I wouldn't be living life. I'd be at home, in bed, afraid that the world is ending.
I used opiates responsibly for chronic pain (disc, lumbar fusion) for years. When my tolerance got so high that I had to abuse my script to get relief, I went to detox.
I've taken Suboxone for three years and my doctor (one of the first suboxone docs in Chicago, the head of a rehab center) said that it's up to me whether I stay on it or not. I said "I feel most like myself when I take 16mgs every day" I'm not high, I''m not pain free, but I'm stable. "What does that mean?" I asked.
He shrugged and said "It means you're a chronic opiate addict and this dosage helps you stay healthy. IT DOESN'T MEAN YOU'RE WEAK OR A BAD PERSON."
The pharma/medical industry is huge, profitable and some people within it are crooked, but I've been around the world for 40 years and I've learned not to assume the worst about a broad spectrum of people just because of a few bad apples. I wouldn't work for free, and i don't expect my doctor to work for free. Making a living doesn't mean he doesn't want to help.l
I am kinda being a hypocrite here but COME ON. Just say it Convert you want suboxone to get you HIGH. all of the things i underlined are things that are your addiction trying to feed itself. This is a harm reduction forum. But for some reason alot of shit slides in this thread. I understand some people such as myself end up doing stupid shit Like IV bupe.
But I dono why the FUCK we gotta say it over and OVER if you want to get a fucking energy boost and Euphoria #1 take the smallest dose u can and shoot that shit in ur vain and use a .22mu micro filter and if u dont have one do the cotton or coffee filter spike shit.. USE the search BAR. All of this Euphoria shit is a high to me to some degree. engery boost is a speed high both are HIGHS.
NO matter how u take this shit your not gonna get HIGH were you wanta be. I am just as guilty as you are with this euphoria BS. But i'm very sick of it, lets be real if your still on Heroin and want to stay on heroin and can't afford it/deal with searching all day then get on subs But expect to get mentally hooked, and physically hooked and Have PAWS that last way longer then heroin or oxys whole withdrawl and PAWS cycle. Also by being on suboxone and having such a set supply and doc ect ect, You had that doctor your nut sac ur in his control. ( so if u must get on subs get a good doc. but u should just all man up and kick the real opiate its shorta and way better in my opion, wish i had done that all day ..
If what im saying doesnt cut it and you still feel a strong need to get euphoria and suboxone isnt giving it to u ect ect,,, Im sorry to say but ur not fuckin ready to get clean because it should b doing somthing at least stoping the compulsion to snort snort snort or shoot shoot shooot. lowering your dose shouldnt b a huge issue. And IF ALL of this is the case JUST GET ONE METHADONE. once you figure out life succks being zonked outa ur head all day like ur trying to do with subs you will then taper on methadone and feel horrible and get back on subs to quit methadone and hate ur fucking life and the choices you made...
And james the reason I believe like my sister. The reason folks give you flack is just due to you always always being the first in line to push the idea of subs. Yes you think that shit is sweet ect ect. BUT relize that people who shooot and snort and abusse subs is a horribly tiny group.. Most people relize that when we say were clean ect ect we are full of shit, if we are shooting or snorting.
IF people could quit this shit easy then a ton of the folks who are on this thread alone wouldnt be on it. and if they are on it because they like the engery boost and the euphoria.. Then my freind you figured it out they Like the small HIGH that they get from taking low dose SUBS. if this isn't clear to you and you dont understand to a point this truly is one addiction for the other then you have lied to yourself rather well.
And this isn;t just directed at the names I said I purly said jamesbrown because he asked why people give him shit for being content on it ect.. Its in my mind because he pushes the idea even when its not welcome and is trying to find valadation in being on top of the forum and staying so damn active what you say losses value.. I damn well do think he has good intentions but hes blinded by addiction. AND I AM also blinded by addiction and just wish to point out these things that I played myself with. I wish the best for all and for you all to find happiness in being sober.
at some point everyone on this thread that gets clean will agree with me on theses issues and see how silly we all sound.. fucking euphoria, energy boost. I call a spade a spade. I really wish this was more geared to harm reduction because by people coming to this site all the time and seeing shit about shootin it and IN that makes some one more ok with it. Each time they see it every new person saying they shoot it, all of this is just corrupting our soical and moral code. What I do daily what many of us do daily is soo far from "cool" or "normal".
we all got on subs for about the same reason one of two. #1 to quit opiates easily,without having to go through withdrawls from opiates. (fucked that one up IMO we all know the PAWS from sub lasts longer and is mentally tougher then heroin or oxy.. www.subsux.com ) #2 to maintain, so you can do opiates some times and use subs to not get sick when broke. #3 Just to flat maintain but not on methadone..
Some how we all have found one an other on this site and we talk about how to abuse are meds that are given to us, to curb out addiction and keep us from doing what we are now doing with are meds. I agree the HIGH from suboxone/subutex is good BUT ITS WRONG . SO i just hope that when folks see this mabye if they are agreeing with me and not wanting to come out about it on this thread seeing as my Idea is minority on this thread. I just hope that those people can PM me or post on the thread I started called
"""" Suboxone, tapering, Quiting, Methadone ? The truth good and bad Shoulda just kicked """"
Even if you dont agree and you feel I am wrong post there because this thread doesn't seem like the best place for it due to the atmosphere . But I do think this post is nessaserry otherwise I would not have made it.
Lets START HELPING EACH OTHER instead of corrupting one an other from our real with that we had when we started SUB or TEX, to be sober and Enjoy life like we use to before drugs. not that we dont enjoy life now but we enjoy life for all the wrong reasons and our addiction has really pulled the wool over our eyes. Lets get out from underneath the blanket and HElP EACH Other on this thread of mine,,
and heres a wealth of people who agree suboxone is not the way www.subsux.com
After reading up on the strips some more I think I'm going to try them today. The only thing is that I usually snort 2mg at a time of the pills and although I'm glad I won't be fucking up my nostrils anymore, I've read that the strips lose potency quickly after the wrapper is opened so I'm hoping I won't end up wasting half of it. I really don't want to raise my dose because I'm low on money and it's definitely not cheap doing a whole 8mg each day when I have to get these off the street.
It doesnt mean your a bad person. It just means your a weak person. I am weak because I didnt just kick. I am weak because I am not already off this shit. I am weak because I live to be high. I am weak because I have spent hundos of hours looking up how to get high on meds tthat are ment to keep me sober.
But the problem with someone whos been on suboxone for 3 years, Ill tell you the problem. It is that this person has become stagnant, This person has not made any personal growth due to being an addict first.. No matter what you say this is your life. AS a suboxone maintaince person you are stuck just like anyone else On opiates. you loss the ability to mature correctly. you can not socailize with anyone who is "normal " in a way that doesnt invole things that are not Right and if you can you rarely do because you do not feel confy.
The fact is hes right we are not ment to b hooked on drugs when you were born you did not crave heroin and suboxone and drug ect. this is something you did to yourself and if you want to have a real life were you do something, mature and make a real life for yourself you wont stay on suboxone because u intrinsicly know it is not the right thing for you or others and You want to live this life to the fullest so you can not look back on ur death bed asking yourself why u didnt do anything. you just worked that same job dealing with those same kinda ladys, doing the same damn thing. and suboxone will most def shorten your life w/e way u take it....
I would also like everyone to notice something I did today mabye I am far behind the gun but the company that makes suboxone/subutex brand name is Reckitt Benckiser... They are a cleaning company. they make alll sorts of shit you know of and proly buy alot of it seeing as they seem to own all sorts of well know shit.... Anyway they made 12,330,000,000 This year in dollars out of all of that suboxone and subutexs are 985,000,000 dollars. But in profit instead of subs acounting for 8% they are 12% of this companys profit yearly. A cleaning companys cash cow thats wat we all are to them they have gotten you and ur addiction to somehow buy that taking this shit every day is gonna make it all better you FEEL NORMAL. The fact is now that all this is able to go generic this company has trashed the TAB (pills) because how the danger ect ect. They now came out with the films. ALot of you are on the films, not suprizingly they are way more money. for ur inssurence. All of this should show you that you are just a tiny peice of this problem but do you want the UK's companys to be pushing drugs on us and getting us addicted then reapin the benifit of the money. I sure dont.. Anyway If im repeating already known info then sorry. but please everyone do look at there site
http://www.rb.com/home
Its rather disconncerting. we all are better then this I know its corrny and stupid how I sound but its honest to goodness the right thing to get sober and its what YOU want. as soon as we attain it we will relize this is right. dont be part of some huge companys plan to keep americans addicted and feed off your inssurence money. IF you do not at some point relize I speak the truth Like i said you will stay stagnant and not progress. I wouldnt wish this mental mind game on anyone. WE are chemically fucked to think that we are doing the right thing, yet when we actully think and really feel ourselfs we can relize that logic and our self before drugs does not want this and hopfully we can all meditate on this Idea of what we would have wanted for our present self IF we knew this is us and were we are when we were young. The rest of this is on you guys I sparked the Thought proccess now continue and use ur mind to take you to the real you past the addicted BULLSHIT... GOOD LUCK in your journey to all of you about to undertake it with me.... !!!
destiny_days
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Cheers James-Brown for your input on PAWS & your experience...But you haven't been off sub for considerable amount of times have you? i.e 6 months to 1 year, so thus you might now know how it feels to be without sub for that long so maybe you aint been off sub long enough to experience PAWS perhaps? who knows....Isn't it still addictive behavior/personality/mentality if you take a opiate or Sub now and then?..Isn't addiction free not having any opiate at all including subutex and leading a sober life-style?.
Cheers!
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