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Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine FAQ & Megathread v2; 2010
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StartedHydro
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Well then, let me ask this, say somebody is on suboxone maintaince and have been at .5mg for a few months. Then one day he/she wants to have a little fun with their suboxone and decides to take 4mg in the hopes of acheiving a small buzz. Would he/she notice the increase of the extra medicine?
Or is the only way to get anything recr out of suboxone is for he/she to be off opiates/opiods for a period of time and then try suboxone?
I am curious. This is for my knowledge. I am not looking to abuse the medicine, but for my knowledge if the question is ever put forth to me, thanks.
Or is the only way to get anything recr out of suboxone is for he/she to be off opiates/opiods for a period of time and then try suboxone?
I am curious. This is for my knowledge. I am not looking to abuse the medicine, but for my knowledge if the question is ever put forth to me, thanks.
As said before, yes, and yes... But the chances of your Dr. switching you to Subutex are slim to none. (At least in my experience, but it seems most Dr's are reluctant to prescribe Subutex unless you are pregnant.)
I had really bad headaches when I first started Suboxone and found that once I lowered my dose, the headaches went away. When I take more Suboxone than I normally do I end up with a headache and take 200MG ibuprofen.
When I told my Dr. about the headaches (in hopes of being prescribed Subutex) he prescribed 1/2 MG clonazepam (Klonopin/Rivotril) per day on top of my 6MG alprazolam (Xanax.) In the same sentence he said Klonopin was "non-addictive" What an Idiot. Since he thinks Klonopin is so non-addictive I think I'm going to get half my Xanax script switched to Klonopin. It's good stuff.
I think if I actually took the prescribed dosages of all the drugs I'm prescribed I'd be dead.
He actually popped a pill in front me and said "Dr. Needs his drugs too!" Couldn't tell what he took though.
Seriously though, I know it's been said a million times before but less is more with Suboxone.. I'm prescribed 24 mgs a day but I only take 2-4 MGS and will be tapering even lower shortly.
I've been on Suboxone for five months and only yesterday cracked into the second script.
I THINK (only time will tell) the biggest difference between taking the lower and higher doses is the effect it has on cravings. When I was taking higher dosages I didn't have cravings at all. (never 24MG - that's just nuts. 8MG was the highest I ever took and that was only the first 2-3 weeks.)
I know the Dr's are certainly over prescribing but that may be why TO US it appears they are GROSSLY over prescribing.. The higher dosages might thwart cravings a bit better.
Lately I've been experiencing some cravings but I'm not sure if it's due to life circumstances or the lower dosages. Again, only time will tell.
I normally take 2-4MGS Suboxone per day. When I want to have a little fun I take the prescribed dosage (24MGS) all at once.
I get buzzed and am awake for hours on end.
wait a min...my boy was taking snorting 12-15 tabs of 15mg oxy a day for a couple months but have been on pills for years off and on and at one time was on 60 mg methadone a day but has been off that for 6 years also have taken subs in past this last relapse has been off and on for a year maybe anyway he was taking like i said 200 -250mg of oxy a day which is about what i take although i am prescribed it. he snorted a his last pill at 230am and at 3pm the next day took a whole 8mg sub and thot he was going to die. it was so bad. this has also happened to me in the past. first day took 5 8mg and today a full 8 days later is taking 2 to 3 8mg sublingally a day. he is craving and moody and sluggish. any advise? i am going to have to go through this myself soon as he ate half my rx and im about to run out. any advise should i wean down. how can i do this wihtout wanting to kill myself. i know that once you get one or 2 subs in you there is no amt of oipiate to make you feel better. i used to take a half a 8 mg a few times a day and still use oxy and be able to feel it. dr said my sub dose wasn't high enough. due to med problems they took me off sub and back on the pain pills. when medical issue resolves i wanna go back to sub dr is there a point where too much oxy and subs will not help you?
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I actually think that it is too much sub causing the problem.
I had been on 300+ mg of oxy (pain) before and when I wanted to step down my usage, I started suboxone treatment. The sub doctor wanted me to take 16 mg per day (4mg * 4). However, after two weeks and a lot of reading, I found that I had more energy and just as few cravings when I took 4mg either all at once or as 1mg * 4 each day. It was like the side/bad effects of buprenorphine went away. My mood was better, the hot flashes disappeared, etc. The sub doctor never knew that I had adjusted my dose.
Unfortunately after three months, I needed to go back on oxycodone for better pain relief. The good news was that I was able to go back on at less than half of what I had been taking (120 mg/day).
I had been on 300+ mg of oxy (pain) before and when I wanted to step down my usage, I started suboxone treatment. The sub doctor wanted me to take 16 mg per day (4mg * 4). However, after two weeks and a lot of reading, I found that I had more energy and just as few cravings when I took 4mg either all at once or as 1mg * 4 each day. It was like the side/bad effects of buprenorphine went away. My mood was better, the hot flashes disappeared, etc. The sub doctor never knew that I had adjusted my dose.
Unfortunately after three months, I needed to go back on oxycodone for better pain relief. The good news was that I was able to go back on at less than half of what I had been taking (120 mg/day).
Ashley26
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it's amazing how strong this stuff is. It's only Day 3 back on and I took 2mg this morning to start the day at 8am and I started feeling some withdrawal sypmtoms again at about 4:30. I just took about 1mg and I'm feeling sort of buzz. Crazy!
too much sub? yeah he is really shitty and having hot flashes. just sluggish and sorta mean. so should he back it up to say a quarter of an 8 mg tab 4 x a day? when i do this should i wean down off 250mg a day first? if so how do i do that its hard. i do 4 to the head just to get moving anything less and im like ouch got hit by a truck then i can do one or two every 2-6 hrs depending on how active i am. maybe my brain is in control here and its psychological. even a sub dr told him take one at time and keep taking them til you feel better. that it didn't matter how many the first day you just had to push the opiates out and get it into your system. i do remember the days when a quarter of a 2mg was enough and i felt great. then i started taking pills with my subs and think i fucked myself all up. any advise on how to do this. thank you. are you gonna be sick for 3 days no matter what? i understand that becuase of the drugs long half life unlike opiates day 3-5 is the worst. and it goes on for a week or two when coming off subs. right now i just wanna get off the pills and onto the subs with out putting a gun to my head. my man thot he was going to die. i think he cried it was awful and still ain't 100%
StartedHydro
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Does ANYONE notice any positive effects from Bupe in the higher dose ranges? Say 16-32mgs? Id like to hear from a few people who have noticed better results from 16+mg. What are the effects like contrasted to 15mg or less of Bupe?
Do you feel more satisfied? More sedated? More energy? Better Antidepressant or less of one?
Do you feel more satisfied? More sedated? More energy? Better Antidepressant or less of one?
StartedHydro
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I got on Sub about 12 hours after my last dose of Roxi and I felt normal. It took my minor Wds away. Everyone is different but I dont have to wait to full blown WDs to dose my Sub. I usually have to wait till around 12-20 hours after my last full dose of a full agonist.
Need your guys help here...
Basically I have 14 8mg subs left. I had stockpiled a lot of them since I was prescribed 24mg a day and only take around 3-4mg a day intravenously. I have stopped seeing my sub doctor 3 months ago because i couldnt afford it, so i am down to my last pills and need to figure out a good taper schedule to get the least amount of withdrawal symptoms.
So how do you suggest i taper with these 14 remaining subs?
Basically I have 14 8mg subs left. I had stockpiled a lot of them since I was prescribed 24mg a day and only take around 3-4mg a day intravenously. I have stopped seeing my sub doctor 3 months ago because i couldnt afford it, so i am down to my last pills and need to figure out a good taper schedule to get the least amount of withdrawal symptoms.
So how do you suggest i taper with these 14 remaining subs?
the_ketaman
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Just started bupe and not really feeling much. Help?
I was previously on 85mg methadone down to 60 then I had two days off had the bupe got sick, next day had bupe felt better but is that all its ever going to be, just feeling better? I dont seem to get any real effect like I did with methadone, I am only on 8mg atm and tomorrow I can go up to 16.
I doont want to say its a high but it kind of is with methadone, now ive heard that that effect is much lessened with bupe but will I get any kind of good feelings/semi-high from bupe at any dose?
If not then I think ive made a big mistake switchng to bupe, the little buzz I got off methadone was what kept me from feinding, if I dont get any feeling from bupe im worried I will start injecting speed a lot more often than I do now(which is only once every few months, doing good)
Should I just wait till I get a bit more used to it? It is only my 3rd day on it. Hopefully 16 does me better, Any info would be awesome. Thanks guys. P.S Been a long time since ive posted in here, glad to see its still up to standard and all the moderators on every forum are doing an awesome job.....BL has been a big part of my life since I was 14 and ill be 20 in 2 weeks, I probably would be dead without it. Maybe this isnt the place to go on about this but I just had a slight touch of nostalgia.
I was previously on 85mg methadone down to 60 then I had two days off had the bupe got sick, next day had bupe felt better but is that all its ever going to be, just feeling better? I dont seem to get any real effect like I did with methadone, I am only on 8mg atm and tomorrow I can go up to 16.
I doont want to say its a high but it kind of is with methadone, now ive heard that that effect is much lessened with bupe but will I get any kind of good feelings/semi-high from bupe at any dose?
If not then I think ive made a big mistake switchng to bupe, the little buzz I got off methadone was what kept me from feinding, if I dont get any feeling from bupe im worried I will start injecting speed a lot more often than I do now(which is only once every few months, doing good)
Should I just wait till I get a bit more used to it? It is only my 3rd day on it. Hopefully 16 does me better, Any info would be awesome. Thanks guys. P.S Been a long time since ive posted in here, glad to see its still up to standard and all the moderators on every forum are doing an awesome job.....BL has been a big part of my life since I was 14 and ill be 20 in 2 weeks, I probably would be dead without it. Maybe this isnt the place to go on about this but I just had a slight touch of nostalgia.
monstanoodle
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Due to it being a partial Agonist, you won't really feel much - there won't be that escape, that level of sedation etc. that comes with full Agonists.
I doubt that upping the dose will provide you with much more but you could give it a shot
This was why I wasn't ready for Buprenorphine, I was (and still am) too attached to the effects that provide me with the feelings of escape.
With luck, moving up to 16mg will give you that buzz you require.. But I'm going to be totally honest and say that I don't think it will. Maybe you should stick with 8mg and ask for something that will help you in that respect?
Personally I'd ask for some form of Benzo, but see what you can get that will help you I'd suggest.
Good luck Ket mate
I doubt that upping the dose will provide you with much more but you could give it a shot
This was why I wasn't ready for Buprenorphine, I was (and still am) too attached to the effects that provide me with the feelings of escape.
With luck, moving up to 16mg will give you that buzz you require.. But I'm going to be totally honest and say that I don't think it will. Maybe you should stick with 8mg and ask for something that will help you in that respect?
Personally I'd ask for some form of Benzo, but see what you can get that will help you I'd suggest.
Good luck Ket mate
Captain.Heroin
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Wait a little longer before you take more, depending on your tolerance you might have to take a considerable amount to feel OK.
Suboxone only diminishes WD's to a certain point for some people, so good luck.
After the first few weeks of adjusting you'll feel better.
-> Suboxone Mega Thread
Taking more never gets me more positive effects, I find lower doses are better. Other people's experiences may vary.
Suboxone only diminishes WD's to a certain point for some people, so good luck.
After the first few weeks of adjusting you'll feel better.
-> Suboxone Mega Thread
Taking more never gets me more positive effects, I find lower doses are better. Other people's experiences may vary.
axe battler
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Right, Ive heard that putting a bot of vodka etc with your sub uncer your tongue increases bio-availability.
My question IS: would this work with plugging? as in dissolving the bupe in vodka before shooting it up your arse?
Much Obliged!
Right, Ive heard that putting a bot of vodka etc with your sub uncer your tongue increases bio-availability.
My question IS: would this work with plugging? as in dissolving the bupe in vodka before shooting it up your arse?
Much Obliged!
Captain.Heroin
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It could, potentially, but I doubt it would be comfortable.
What's the time until onset like with the rectal ROA with just water? If it's too long for your taste I would try diluting alcohol with water (just alcohol being plugged would probably burn like hell!) - if you are happy with it, then you are probably good to go.
This is a pretty basic buprenorphine question that could have easily been posted in the mega thread, so I'm going to merge it in there.
What's the time until onset like with the rectal ROA with just water? If it's too long for your taste I would try diluting alcohol with water (just alcohol being plugged would probably burn like hell!) - if you are happy with it, then you are probably good to go.
This is a pretty basic buprenorphine question that could have easily been posted in the mega thread, so I'm going to merge it in there.
Jabberwocky
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One study suggesting a higher BA for alcoholic solution. No figures given.
Another study saying the same thing, but figures are given.
as CH said definitely dilute the alcholic solution as its more than likely to going up there which you don't want!
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Whats up my fellow suboxone eaters,shooters,snorters lol I went to the doctor today for my new script and they gave me a drug test for the second time and I know for sure that i failed.
The doctor came in before he got the test results and we talked about going down a dose and he wrote my script up and then said be right back and then something else I couldnt understand but he came back in and Im pretty sure they told him I failed for weed but he didnt say anything about it he just gave me my script.
Does anybody know if these drug tests cost me money because last month I had on and my bill was 200 this month so im assuming that it does and that sucks. My dad told me they dont care about pot there looking for speed,opiates,benzos but I think my doc doesnt like pot for some reason.
I also need to know if anybody knows if your veins can get all messed up from shooting heroin because I used to worry about this all the time awhile ago after I stopped doing heroin.I had wrist surgery like 4 years before I shot up dope and they put all sorts of stuff in there like wires,plates,pins I thought maybe the heroin got on those things and maybe rusted them and I would get infected lol I know I worry a lot.
I only did it for one week I shot up everyday in my wrists because Im a big guy and my veins dont pop out at all. So it was really hard for me to find one so I just did it in my wrist. After I quit and went back to painkillers I was always worried if I messed them up and my freinds quit hanging out with because thats all I talked about.
So if anyone knows if my veins could have been messed up and if i should I talk to a doctor about it. I dont really want to go in a hospital and say hey I was shooting up heroin awhile ago and I was wondering if my veins could have gotten messed up lol. If I have to though I will one of my friends told me his girlfriend messed hers up and she had to get surgery on it.
The doctor came in before he got the test results and we talked about going down a dose and he wrote my script up and then said be right back and then something else I couldnt understand but he came back in and Im pretty sure they told him I failed for weed but he didnt say anything about it he just gave me my script.
Does anybody know if these drug tests cost me money because last month I had on and my bill was 200 this month so im assuming that it does and that sucks. My dad told me they dont care about pot there looking for speed,opiates,benzos but I think my doc doesnt like pot for some reason.
I also need to know if anybody knows if your veins can get all messed up from shooting heroin because I used to worry about this all the time awhile ago after I stopped doing heroin.I had wrist surgery like 4 years before I shot up dope and they put all sorts of stuff in there like wires,plates,pins I thought maybe the heroin got on those things and maybe rusted them and I would get infected lol I know I worry a lot.
I only did it for one week I shot up everyday in my wrists because Im a big guy and my veins dont pop out at all. So it was really hard for me to find one so I just did it in my wrist. After I quit and went back to painkillers I was always worried if I messed them up and my freinds quit hanging out with because thats all I talked about.
So if anyone knows if my veins could have been messed up and if i should I talk to a doctor about it. I dont really want to go in a hospital and say hey I was shooting up heroin awhile ago and I was wondering if my veins could have gotten messed up lol. If I have to though I will one of my friends told me his girlfriend messed hers up and she had to get surgery on it.
Ashley26
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so I stepped off the Subs for about 20 pills of Oxy 40's, whcih didn't last very long, and I'm back on the subs.
I'm on day 2 and I feel pretty crappy still. usually I'm good to go after day 2. I guess it's the going back and forth. Gotta cut that shit out.
I'm really craving today though
I've already taken like 16mg today too.
Hoping it will pass soon.
I'm on day 2 and I feel pretty crappy still. usually I'm good to go after day 2. I guess it's the going back and forth. Gotta cut that shit out.
I'm really craving today though
I've already taken like 16mg today too.Hoping it will pass soon.
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