Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine FAQ & Megathread v2; 2010

[Sublimit]

...back on suboxone. I feel super depressed and I'm in trouble with my family. I found that for detox, suboxone takes away about 75% of the w/d symptoms, however I still suffer occasionally from sweats, pounding headaches, and lethargy. What's worse is that I've also got bronchitus on top of it all, and have hardly been able to breath the last few days. I hate this so much..

for me it was more like 50% of the oxy WD which lasted 7 days

 

[Sublimit]

I have a basically reset opiate tolerance, and feel great in the morning. I don't have to prepare a shot in the morning since I micron filter, I have a solution ready at all times.

Seems like it's an effort, but a well deserved result at maintaining that routine, and as you sat, i can imaging it being quite comfortable, motivation and abtanance from other opiates while satisfying yourself enough witrh bupe.

Is that why you rather subutex over suboxone because you're not sure yet about long term effects of the extra additives in suboxone.

your micron thread is great and i already had an ok technique, but i really learnt some important things in there,,,, and only at a glance! i live in a bungalow and am getting a fridge soon! hopefully stocked full of ampoules.

 

[SackFromTheBack]

simply put, subs are magical. For me they take away almost all withdrawal symptoms without any noticeable side effects other than constipation..

 

[Captain.Heroin]

Seems like it's an effort, but a well deserved result at maintaining that routine, and as you sat, i can imaging it being quite comfortable, motivation and abtanance from other opiates while satisfying yourself enough witrh bupe.

Is that why you rather subutex over suboxone because you're not sure yet about long term effects of the extra additives in suboxone.

your micron thread is great and i already had an ok technique, but i really learnt some important things in there,,,, and only at a glance! i live in a bungalow and am getting a fridge soon! hopefully stocked full of ampoules.

Yeah I have no idea what the orange coloring is doing. I know I look more tan than normal, and I have thought before of the possibility that the orange coloring is changing my appearance (I normally do not look this tan!) but I don't really care either way.

My life would have been quickly over if I had continued abusing heroin, so IV Suboxone is a massive improvement.

I also didn't filter Suboxone (at all) for over a year, so I am not too concerned about the orange coloring. However it's still something I hope isn't going to fuck me over in the long run.

simply put, subs are magical. For me they take away almost all withdrawal symptoms without any noticeable side effects other than constipation..

I hate the constipation. At least it isn't as bad as heroin constipation.

 

[brutus]

^ In a little more than a year on bupe, I never had constipation whatsoever.

Bupe never gave me any sort of tan at all.

Just depends on the person I guess.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

Bupe never gave me any sort of tan at all.

Were you IVing it?

 

[chris5790]

I'm on my 6th day off subs. I went through hell for 4 days. I did a little OC aver 36 hours ago to help it. I took a 5mg Vicoden about 16 hours ago. I feel decent. ANyone think i'm past the worst of it? Or is it gonna come back in a few hours once the opiates come out of me a little more. Just looking for anyone elses opinion....thanks

 

[Snugg]

This is just a guess...

...But, the opiates you took, are probably going to prolong it just a tad bit longer.

If you're trying to come off of subs, you should switch to a full agonist, and come off of that. [oxycodone, hydrocodone, etc] It'll be easier to do, PLUS, the half life won't be nearly as long. It's worked for multiple people, but everybody is different. Good luck, man.

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[ThePharmicist]

So I spoke with my Doc the other day. We've decided it's time for me to start coming off of the Suboxone. Which is fine with me, but the Subs have been helping a bit with my Fibromyalgia pain.

Anyway, I've been on 3mg for a week now, not sure if it's psychological, but I feel cravings coming back. I dunno. Anyone here have experience tapering off Suboxone after being on it for about a year?

 

[Captain.Heroin]

This is just a guess...

...But, the opiates you took, are probably going to prolong it just a tad bit longer.

If you're trying to come off of subs, you should switch to a full agonist, and come off of that. [oxycodone, hydrocodone, etc] It'll be easier to do, PLUS, the half life won't be nearly as long. It's worked for multiple people, but everybody is different. Good luck, man.

I would personally just taper down with buprenorphine because coming off of full agonists is harder IME.

at first I thought you were kidding. that's crazy that you may be turning orange.

If it is the truth (which I am not 100% sure), then it's not going to be too bad for me, since I have successfully gotten down to 40mcg per dose, and am still planning on tapering even lower.

I think that not filtering at all/using higher doses in the past, is a possible source, but I'm not sure.

 

[hellocatastrophe]

just a couple of quick questions:

my first day back on suboxone i insufflated just under 1mg over the course of the day. the following day i used ~0.2mg. yesterday i only used ~0.13mg. i felt great today but ended up doing 50mg of oxycodone like an asshole anyway. this is only 1/3 of what i would usually dose on any other day. i dosed it all at once about 7hours ago. usually i would already be feeling like hell from not redosing yet, however i'm still feeling very mild effects from my dose. i'm not sure if i was still experiencing withdrawal today as i had some other factors which contributed to any barely-there aches i felt earlier.

so, my questions:
1: how low should one taper before making the jump off of suboxone for it to be pretty painless? is ~0.13mg insufflated still too high?
*of course i was dealing with some moderate discomfort the past couple of days but it wasn't anything too unmanageable, especially if i kept myself busy.
2: was i only prolonging withdrawal by using the suboxone even in such miniscule amounts?
(my daily habit was recently ~150mg oxycodone but i have been going back & forth with suboxone. i now usually only dose 75-90mg on days i use oxycodone and then hop back on suboxone. however, these amounts over the lat few days were the lowest amounts of suboxone i had ever used per day//for detoxing).
3: have i 'reset' my withdrawals? should i expect to wake up feeling hellish tomorrow?

i was really feeling as if i had beat the whole detoxing process this time as i was using such small amount of suboxone. then i would remember that it is extremely powerful.
4: even though i felt great today without any suboxone, giving the amounts i had used over the previous 3 days, could i have expected withdrawals tomorrow or the following day? everyone claims the 3rd day is when it really kicks in.

as always, thanks in advance.

 

[hellocatastrophe]

where is everyone?!

 

[Snugg]

I would personally just taper down with buprenorphine because coming off of full agonists is harder IME.



If it is the truth (which I am not 100% sure), then it's not going to be too bad for me, since I have successfully gotten down to 40mcg per dose, and am still planning on tapering even lower.

I think that not filtering at all/using higher doses in the past, is a possible source, but I'm not sure.

I've just found it easier to come off of a full agonist. Cause if I jump off of bupe at 1mg... I can dose 20-30mg OC and come down off of that, and then jump off with very slight issues.

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[HdoubleODeezy]

well, it's finally come to the time where i taper off my subs after 3 years of being on them, im only on 2mg daily and past couple only took 1mg and was feeling a little sick not too bad tho, but at the same time i am tapering off high dose benzo use, sucks. but i dont need to worry about the benzos i have enough to last a while plus it comes from a different doc than subs so i keep getting scripts plus i have quite a bit of phenazepam. but it's going to be weird being off opiates, it's been so long.. reason im getting off is financially can't afford it. (i know about the asistance program but i already get mine at cost for what the pharmacy pays for them) so i get them kinda cheap, just not cheap enough when your not making money and your only source of income is selling something ( that is totally legal) and someone trying to out do you the whole time, makes it hard to make money even though my product is pure and theirs is garbage and cut. but back to coming off bupe, i have clonidine, vistaril, tramadol, zanaflex, clonazepam, phenazepam, plus more, so this should be relatively painless right? since ive been on a low dose for almost a year out of the three ive been on. i was doing 1mg 2x daily but now i moved to 1mg once daily, would it be better to do .5mg 2xdaily instead? i donno.. i could always call my sub doc (not my psychiatrist who is great BTW) and get my appointment back and stay on them, the thing is im presribed 8mg a day, maybe i should tell him i take a quarter of that and instead of 28 pills every four weeks i would get 7 it would save me a lil over a hundred dollars, thats a possibility. but if i do that than i need to stop adding to my "stash" for when im finally really off for good.. anyways, rambling as usual.. %)

 

[cowmama]

If you dont need the whole script, you dont need to tell your dr. When you fill it, just say you can only afford so many at a time and just get how many you want. The pharmacy keeps track, so if you need more, you can go and get more till the script is gone.

When I was paying cash for my subs, I was picking up 7 pills at a time since they were so expensive.

Its probably better you keep getting a bigger script so you can save them up so you still have some to taper when youre ready and you dont have to keep going to the doc if you have a stash.

 

[cowmama]

Dilution amounts for subs

I want to taper down on my subs. Been taking about 2mg/day. Sometimes less.
So I want to make a solution to get my doses smaller.

Captain- whats your rate of water to subs?

I want to use a whole 30ml bottle of bac water. thinking 4 8 mg subs to that?

I want to use doses that are .25-.5 mg.

Thanks for the input!

 

[nelsonmandela]

suboxone dose and bioavailability question

ok so I know that bupe has been discussed a ton but i couldnt find this specific answer on the search engine. So, the ceiling dose for suboxone is 32mg right? First of all, if the sublingual bioavailability of suboxone is only like 30% or something, does that mean for every 8mg tab under the tongue one is only truly taking in 2-3mg? And is the 32mg ceiling dose in a 24hr period or what? I switched from a huge heroin tolerance to suboxone yesterday and i waited long enough so that I was pretty sick. After taking the suboxone I felt a ton better, but still some restless cramping legs and some minor chills/goosebumps. Weird since last time I started on Suboxone I felt 100%. Totally normal like id never done drugs before or something

 

[Captain.Heroin]

I want to taper down on my subs. Been taking about 2mg/day. Sometimes less.
So I want to make a solution to get my doses smaller.

Captain- whats your rate of water to subs?

I want to use a whole 30ml bottle of bac water. thinking 4 8 mg subs to that?

I want to use doses that are .25-.5 mg.

Thanks for the input!

four 8mg pills would be 32mg/30ml, which is close enough to 1mg/ml. 3 and 3/4 pills would be exactly 30mg.

That way you could use 25 to 50 units for 0.25 to 0.5 mg.

I dilute one 8mg pill into 10ml (or 3 pills per 30ml) to get 0.8mg/ml and I use 5 units at a time (0.04mg, or 40 mcg). I plan on tapering lower after this solution is gone.

 

[brutus]

Not sure if anyone has mentioned this, but Purdue has a new bupe product coming out that has already been approved. It's called Butrans.

 

[jake1234]

my fiance was taking 225-250mg of oxycodone daily waited 12 hrs after last dose and took 8mg suboxone and wanted to die. he took 40 mg the first 2nd and 3rd days before starting to feel human day 5 and still isn't 100percent. we/ve both been on subs before and have used them to come off oxy without missing a beat. i am currently prescribed the oxys and im about to run out? anyone guess why?? yeah my fiance. anyway how should i avoid the same problem? he is in the sub clinic. i plan on weaning off the oxy and getting into sub after my interferon injections are completed in 7 months. my pain mangagment dr is in agreement with this and has even recommended nucynta for pain after i get off the oxy. but for my immediated need. how should i wean down from 225 mg a day to minimize my withdrawl and discomfort. i still have to work . fortunatley i work sun- tue and have wed thru sat off each week. and to what dose should i wean down to and how long should i wait til after my last dose before taking sub to minimize the withdrawl and be able to feel ok. he waited 12 hrs after last dose and was having some mild withdrawl symptoms and still went into withdrawl. the dr said he tried to come off too high a dose of oxy??? but he also told him people who shoot 10 bags of heroine a day can come off with 2 subs a day and not get sick. UH HOW CAN THAT BE??