I think by taking sleep meds or whatever they tend to posptone sub withdrawals or make them a tad worse. Some say they take 1 sleep tab and next day feel crappy so obviously ur bound to feel crappy with alreadying having minor sub withdrawals mixed with a sleep aid after-effects..
Also doing Short Term Buprenorphine Stint its actually building up the sub in ur system? so even if u taper u still have actually have sub in ur system whereas a long term sting on Subutex u have built up the sub in ur body to the max so then u can do a long slow taper and if u jump from 0.2mg u only withdrawa of a 0.2mg dose?...This is what my Doctor told me once.. Dont know if its true..She said short term stay on sub and then taper actually isnt the best as the sub builds up in ur system but not to the max and not enough to do a taper so when u do u jump u actually have lot of half-life of sub in ur system..But on a long term Maintence sub stay u got enough sub in ur system to do a long slow taper and not build so much bup...I hope u know what am saying and if it makes sense.. Oh well!.
Is Valium good to use when tapering Subutex on Low Doses such as 0.8mg and under????????????......I only mean to use them sparringly here and there when tapering on lower doses of Subutex?
Cheers!.
I'm going to have to disagree. The actual bup only lasts in your system, through half life and elimination time, for say 36 hours, additionally bup is effective at extreamly low dosages, and the amount you are taking is probably no where near what you actually need. I think of little girls taking a few vikes and getting 24mg's a day?
Also, how could a drug that isn't in your body know if its at a higher level to taper? If you will ALWAYS die from jumping out of an airplane at 500ft, would it be reasonable to say you will ALWAYS die from 1000ft? If the cost of the 1000ft plane ticket was twice as much as the 500ft, would you pay? Knowing that either way the end result is the same, and on BOTH paths you will pass through the 500ft marker? So logically how could it make sense for a person to not be able to taper unless they are addicted to a higher dose of that drug?
Also, you should question the whole "maintenance" method. The definition of maintenance:
–verb (used with object)
1.
to keep in existence or continuance; preserve; retain: to maintain good relations with neighboring countries.
2.
to keep in an appropriate condition, operation, or force; keep unimpaired: to maintain order; to maintain public highways.
3.
to keep in a specified state, position, etc.: to maintain a correct posture; to maintain good health.
So the state that you are in, are you happy with it? Are you happy being addicted to a pill, paying Dr's bills, and or anything else that comes with "maintenance" methods. If you are not, then you should not be maintaining a dose, but most likely should reducing, even if your Dr. doesn't go along.
My Dr. has me prescibed to 10mg a day. I find that I can go a few days without doing it somedays, and when I do it, I never exceed 6mg, and that's pushing it. Somedays I'll just take a massive amount, for kicks. I had to fake through my COWA (or the withdrawal score form) because I wasn't in withdrawals (and you don't have to be in withdrawals to take sub, I've taken it 8 hours after heroin, and no problems).
Whenever I mention talking to my Dr about lowering my dose, he wasn't biting at all, no way, you need to be on it for months, and he would have me come in every week. Now I'm every other week, but still. Overall I stopped complaining because I was beating their drug tests, getting plenty of benzo's, and had plenty of Suboxone, so I just shut up. From the experiences that I've gathered from friends, and other people I've met at the same office/dt lab, the story is all the same. It seems everyone know's they are being conned, but the benefits of being conned outweigh the costs of arguing with the Dr's. Better to just lower yourself off.
Just my .02 on the issue. Sorry if I'm rambling or anything.
, i dont know what to do!
