Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine FAQ & Megathread v2; 2010

[WSB15]

I have no idea about the clonazepams, but good luck with getting clean. If you try hard, Suboxone can really help you stop abusing opiates.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

If you trust the pharmacy then it's probably legit, we don't do pill ID's though.

I'm going to merge your post about Suboxone into the Suboxone Mega Thread, have fun getting acquainted with Bluelight and welcome!

 

[HdoubleODeezy]

NOW FOR MY REAL QUESTION. I ordered some "2mg clonazepam" over the phone from the farmacia i always go to in Nogales(been there at least 10 times, always gotten good product), they overnighted it, got it this morning, they are the generic ones instead of the rivotril. they are "small white round pills, white, blank on one side, score on the other", ive done research online, cant find anything8), just wondering if anyone had similar experience. thanks! i look forward to posting here for the long run

are they double scored on the back so it can be broken in 4 .5mg pieces? if so i've had the rivotril ones and the "generic" or blank ones, cant remember the name of them. maybe some http://images.google.com/ to find the exact ones you have.. sorry thats all i can think of, i have script of them so i dont need to resort to buying off the internet anymore, thank god..
but if you're doubting they're real, chew one up or snort one and see if its got that "minty" taste or feel to it.

 

[destiny_days]

Hi Guys!.

Is it possible to take Co-Codamol regularly as though you would take Codeine regularly? i want to use this or Dihydrocodeine after when i jump from Subutex to help alievate some of the withdrawals and PAWS!.

Is it possible i can alternate between DHC and Co-codamol and Tramadol for about 3 weeks?..Would this all help with Subutex withdrawals? if i jump from 0.2mg Temgesic and skip days on that dose too?.

Also can some folks list the comfort meds which will help Subutex withdrawals and PAWS, such as which benzos and sleep aids etc..Also which Supplements?.

Thanks again Guys for ur input and advice...Really Appreciate it.

Cheers!.

 

[Pegasus]

^I think from jumping off of 0.2mg bupe, the codeine/ DHC will be more than enough to alleviate any w/d symptoms. If you want to take benzos too, they are pretty much all going to work so long as the benzo is compatible with you. I really doubt that benzos will be necessary, though, because you really shouldn't w/d as 0.2mg of bupe can easily be replicated in terms of strength with the opiates you have (codeine and DHC).

 

[ashla]

hi all, I just wanted to ask a quick question i am really busy and i try to get on here but with my son getting bigger and faster it is hard.
Anyway just really quick i went from sixteen mgs to four mgs in the last two weeks, not my choice really but had to. I have been great now for the last week and think i am ready for my next one what is the suggestion for this ? I have quite a few pills and have one more refill of sixty and hoping i will be of by then.
I am thinking every two weeks go down a half mg so then i would be on three and a half . I also got my clonidine filled so i wonder if i could even hop down to three . Anyone who has been on for a while and tapering or quit how are you doing it,
Just a quick note i have quit drinking and i am eating healthier and exercising and i hate to really but i feel great, Plus i think being on so long on such a high dose i didn't feel it but i know it was like a Vail over me. I am enjoying music , food , my children and everything more i think so much had me kind of numb .
I also feel like sometimes i even catch a little buzz on a lower dose and i havent had that yucky feeling i used to get with to much.

 

[destiny_days]

When i tapered i took my time..Sometimes People make the mistake of tapering too fast because of having no symptoms, this is because the half-life of Buprenorphine covers you. So it's always best to stay on each dose for the most 2 weeks. Those who taper fast seem to have tougher symptoms because eventually the half-life catches up with you. Thats why its always wise to taper slowly and smoothly. You have to wait until the sub from the previous doses comes out, but like i said some folks make the mistake of thinking they're ready to taper as they dont feel symptoms so the more faster they go the more symptoms will appear eventually on a lower dose.

P.S i want to use DHC or Co-Cocodamol and benzos or whatever if it's necessary as don't forget i've been on Subutex for the last 5 years.. But even if i jump from a lose dose such as 0.2mgs and skip days would i still suffer? as i was on Bup for 5 years?..

Also can any of you list any supplements and good sleep aids for Sub/Meth detox. Also anything which might help restless legs..I got about 200 valium tablets 10mg and various sleep aids including stilnoct. It quinine-sulphate good for restless legs?..Cheers!.

 

[Pegasus]

^My above post was a response to you...

^I think from jumping off of 0.2mg bupe, the codeine/ DHC will be more than enough to alleviate any w/d symptoms. If you want to take benzos too, they are pretty much all going to work so long as the benzo is compatible with you. I really doubt that benzos will be necessary, though, because you really shouldn't w/d as 0.2mg of bupe can easily be replicated in terms of strength with the opiates you have (codeine and DHC).

 

[Pegasus]

hi all, I just wanted to ask a quick question i am really busy and i try to get on here but with my son getting bigger and faster it is hard.
Anyway just really quick i went from sixteen mgs to four mgs in the last two weeks, not my choice really but had to. I have been great now for the last week and think i am ready for my next one what is the suggestion for this ? I have quite a few pills and have one more refill of sixty and hoping i will be of by then.
I am thinking every two weeks go down a half mg so then i would be on three and a half . I also got my clonidine filled so i wonder if i could even hop down to three . Anyone who has been on for a while and tapering or quit how are you doing it,
Just a quick note i have quit drinking and i am eating healthier and exercising and i hate to really but i feel great, Plus i think being on so long on such a high dose i didn't feel it but i know it was like a Vail over me. I am enjoying music , food , my children and everything more i think so much had me kind of numb .
I also feel like sometimes i even catch a little buzz on a lower dose and i havent had that yucky feeling i used to get with to much.

Yes, lowering your dose often helps to get more of the good effects from bupe and less of the negative ones.

Going slowly on your taper is certainly a good idea and you can take it at whatever rate you are comfortable with. The most important thing to avoid IME is lowering your dose while you are still getting adjusted to the previous dose decrease. Another important note is that the last 1mg will likely be the hardest part of the taper, so when you're planning out your taper, be sure to leave plenty of bupe and time for this last portion of the taper. Skipping days at the end like you describe is certainly helpful, as you don't ever go from taking a daily dose to taking no dose at all.

Any more questions, feel free to ask! Good luck!

 

[Znegative]

I'm not sure how much bupe your on ashla, but for me, it was pretty easy to go from about 8 mg I.V, to 1-.75 mg I.v. The first week of the decreased dose, I didn't feel much withdrawl, just a few hours of being uncomfortable. By about day 5, I would wake up in withdrawl, but immediately after taking .5 mg, I was fine. I've now been on this dose for about a month, and am pretty much completely adjusted to it. I still have to dose at least 2 times a day (I'm I.V'ing it, so the duration is shorter), and I still feel some withdrawls when I wake up but it goes away easily with using only .2 mg of bupe. In fact, .05 mg of bupe would take me out of withdrawls, but it wont last long enough.

Tapering bupe is fun, as you do get much better effects out of the drug. I wish I knew to use small ammounts from the begining, because now I don't suffer all the shitty side affects that high doses of bupe have. The only thing that's difficult for me now, is to use less than 1 mg in a day. for the past two day's I've succeeded (yesterday I used 9.5 mg and today 8.5, though I might dose another .05 later). I'm not sure if I'll be able to keep this up though, because the last two day's I have also woken up a lot later than usual.

 

[destiny_days]

If you use clonidine can you still Excercise?..Or is it dangerous?.

Because Excercise seems the only thing which is helping me in my taper and most probably Help me when i detox from sub too so am just a bit concerned that if i use the Clonidine would i be-able to excercise and do sports or not?.

Also once at the lower doses i.e 0.8mg 0.4mg 0.3mg what is a good med to take or what good supplements are there to take to be a bit more comfortable at these doses?

cheers!.

 

[ashla]

hi thanks for the imput i am pretty much gonna try going down every two weeks , i use clonidine at night everyday because i am on adderall but usually dont use much, when i had to have that huge cut i used it more for a while and didnt do much of anything.
With excercize and clonidine it really is how i feel but i need to say my excercize is sometimes just walking with my son or dancing for fifteen minutes to music really fast i dont over do it i dont think it has to be excessive to get you feeling a little better
Destiny days, i would love to taper very slow but i got kicked of where i was going and i have to pay now for two mths script my insurance wont pay for it so my dad is helping me a bit because i am on disability so dont get that much. plus that was the only place that took my insurance i cant afford one fifty every two weeks.
BollWeevil yes i heard that about the one mg and i am a bit scared but i dont really have a choice it is diapers or suboxone but i think i will have enough pills to not be excessively sick . I am just glad i was able to buy the pills at first they were not even gonna honor my script and i thought it was cold turkey for me but i do know i can do it. I kicked a xanax habit while pregnant and also went cold turkey from one ninety mgs methadone in jail a couple yrs ago not that it is great but i know i can handle alot if i did that.
Z negative i was on sixteen mgs for two yrs and cut to four mgs first cut. i snort i cant shoot sometimes i would like to but no veins really unless i want to dig for a while plus i have a toddler here and i am trying to do good for my kids for once and be a real mom. i am not judging you by no means i shot for twenty yrs almost But your right tapering is well not fun but interesting and i didnt really have a problem cutting that fast a few days but nothing i cant handle
thankiyou all i will taper to three mgs monday and i will post a few days later to update

 

[fredPA]

Question: Would water titration be an option with tapering off of suboxone?

The same method used for tapering benzos

 

[Znegative]

good luck to you ashla. I'm actually starting to consider jumping off bupe soon. I don't really want to, but I can't afford to have all these track marks on my arms during the summer time, it was really weird wearing long sleeves today. lots of "aren't you hot??" comments directed at me. I could go back to sublingual or insufflation, but I really don't see a point in it. I.V has been the only way that bupe works without making me feel kind of edgy or shitty. I'm possibly going to get on kratom, going to see my psychiatrist soon and tell her I'm thinking of getting off.

 

[destiny_days]

Ive heard lot of folks say Vigerous Excercise is the best option in feeling good espeacially after detoxing from sub..I knew a guy who ran few miles everyday (he's country runner) and said Vigerous Excercise for few hours a day and almost everyday can make all the difference between a Doable detox and a crappy one..For me if i did half hour of Excercise i would feel okish but not great, but with vigerous which is am doing now i feel better all trough the evening and night, thats why i havent had any problems tapering from 12mg to 1mg. Oh i play football and tennish, yes with the girls and sometimes with the lads lol. I was just curious if excercise can be done with taking clonidine..So far ive taken no other meds with my taper. I believe it also depends on your pshycal shape and aswell as your age and circumstances..Being thin/slim as i am and not having any other issues in life to worry about it makes tapering and detoxing just that bit easier...Now i just need to taper slow from 1mgs. To honest i havent felt bad on Subutex as other folks have. Maybe in keeping myself in shape, active, excercise and busy distractes the bordness and shittty feeling from sub, who knows. Also like is said before kratom just didnt do it for me, i felt more withdrawals from kratom then sub, infact i felt more crap on kratom then i have felt on the sub and many other people i know who went the kratom route didnt succeed at all... Also snorting sub means your taking in more then you would Sublingually, so i head, i mean they say sub will be much harder to kick if snorted and done I.V way.. .So yeah i just wanna know if excercise can be done on clondine (if i ever take Clonidine which i hope i wont need to as so far sooo good.

 

[needlejuice]

god i am in the same dilemma with wearing t shirts. it sucks at work i usually have to wear a 3/4 length under my work tee just because of how bright my work place is. i dont really have track marks its just a red bump right on the crook and a little scar tissue on my wrist. bupe shot though is so much more pleasurable for me than any other roa. i realize i have a bit of an addiction. i went 2 years on bupe maintenece before i started banging every day. the reason i do this is because it gets out of your system faster and you can dose more often with better effects

 

[whitemilk661]

Does anyone hear actually have any experience with using Suboxone to treat depression? I'm interested to hear the results. Sorry I didn't read the whole thread.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

I'm not sure how much bupe your on ashla, but for me, it was pretty easy to go from about 8 mg I.V, to 1-.75 mg I.v. The first week of the decreased dose, I didn't feel much withdrawl, just a few hours of being uncomfortable. By about day 5, I would wake up in withdrawl, but immediately after taking .5 mg, I was fine. I've now been on this dose for about a month, and am pretty much completely adjusted to it. I still have to dose at least 2 times a day (I'm I.V'ing it, so the duration is shorter), and I still feel some withdrawls when I wake up but it goes away easily with using only .2 mg of bupe. In fact, .05 mg of bupe would take me out of withdrawls, but it wont last long enough.

Tapering bupe is fun, as you do get much better effects out of the drug. I wish I knew to use small ammounts from the begining, because now I don't suffer all the shitty side affects that high doses of bupe have. The only thing that's difficult for me now, is to use less than 1 mg in a day. for the past two day's I've succeeded (yesterday I used 9.5 mg and today 8.5, though I might dose another .05 later). I'm not sure if I'll be able to keep this up though, because the last two day's I have also woken up a lot later than usual.

I have always had issues with sleep so I don't know really what to say. I'm around 100mcg per shot again and am thinking about going lower. I have ADHD so getting a lot of sleep is normal if I'm not taking ADHD meds.

I think if you keep around the dose you're on now for a while you'll feel "less" withdrawals or they'll phase out. I used to feel WD's for a long time but I don't anymore.

I wish I also knew to use less in the beginning - I was on Bluelight and most people were talking about IVing multiple MG's of buprenorphine then! I had to learn the hard way but I am glad I know better now at least.

I'm still going through an 8mg pill every 2 weeks which is a really good pace for the number of 8mg pills I get monthly.

If you use clonidine can you still Excercise?..Or is it dangerous?.

Because Excercise seems the only thing which is helping me in my taper and most probably Help me when i detox from sub too so am just a bit concerned that if i use the Clonidine would i be-able to excercise and do sports or not?.

Also once at the lower doses i.e 0.8mg 0.4mg 0.3mg what is a good med to take or what good supplements are there to take to be a bit more comfortable at these doses?

cheers!.

If your doctor didn't say anything I'm sure you'd be fine. Exercise is less contraindicated with CNS stimulants AFAIK.

Question: Would water titration be an option with tapering off of suboxone?

The same method used for tapering benzos

Sure, I would just put some ethanol in the sublingual solution in order to keep it OK for a while, and also to increase the BA.

If you meant orally, I would advise against using it orally due to the low BA.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

good luck to you ashla. I'm actually starting to consider jumping off bupe soon. I don't really want to, but I can't afford to have all these track marks on my arms during the summer time, it was really weird wearing long sleeves today. lots of "aren't you hot??" comments directed at me. I could go back to sublingual or insufflation, but I really don't see a point in it. I.V has been the only way that bupe works without making me feel kind of edgy or shitty. I'm possibly going to get on kratom, going to see my psychiatrist soon and tell her I'm thinking of getting off.

Good luck! I wear no sleeves sometimes and no one has ever looked at me twice or said anything. Most people don't know what track marks are to be honest.

Have you tried using triple antibiotic ointment? It's really great stuff to use once a day on your healing marks.

Using new 31's, I barely have any marks at all.

Does anyone hear actually have any experience with using Suboxone to treat depression? I'm interested to hear the results. Sorry I didn't read the whole thread.

If you have no alternatives it's good for depression. Obviously taking it regularly or occasionally could temporarily make your depression worse when you're coming off of it or coming down, so it's not for everyone. If you have seemingly endless depression I would say you could give it a go. I would always start low and titrate up, being careful to take as little as is needed.

 

[destiny_days]

How come some of you use Water Method? is because the U.S lot dont have the 0.4mg and 0.2mg sub?s...Also wouldnt it be more hard to come off bup if your going the I.V root then Sublingiually? whats the differences here? thanks.