Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine FAQ & Megathread v2; 2010

[fistful_of_needles]

Now, I know that the naloxone in the Suboxone preparation is essentially inactive, but I have noticed a decrease in my desire to drink since I've been on suboxone (almost 19mo now). I've never been a heavy drinker (maybe more like a binger in college) but I don't even want to drink a beer anymore. Do you think it could be the naloxone or is it something else?

Yeah , Bupre is apparentely very Incompatible with alcohol ,I used to be a regular drinker before getting on bupre maintenance and these days I couldn't even tell you the last time I touched a beer or anything with alcohol in it for that matter ...alcohol feels like something else when mixed with bupre,something which isn't necessarily enjoyable ... oh by the way ,that's got fukk all to do with the Naloxone in Suboxone since I used to be on it and then I decided to change to Subutex and the "problem" still persists .

 

[DangerChamber]

Best of luck man! I can't imagine being disowned because of drug addiction. I quit using, and that really helped and all, but what people don't understand is drug addiction is nothing to be ashamed of or looked down upon.

If you're stealing from your parents and other people for dope money, well that's one thing. Simply using and not hurting anyone in the process, is another. "Victimless crimes" are not crimes.

I mean in terms of moral standards. The law obviously loves making victimless crimes.

I'm not at that stage of quitting yet. Tho it would be easier for me than most people on here as I have not touched anything for about a month, including weed.

But nah I'm still chasing that stupid belief that they can enhance your life if you use in moderation. Looks so good in my head but...in reality

 

[Trigeminal]

today's my jump-off day with Bupe. I am jumping off of 0.5 mg/day. It hasnt even been a full 24h since my last 0.5mg dose and I'm already starting to feel mild WDs starting. I can't afford to jump off completely so I'm planning on using these 50 Vicodin ES 7.5mg to taper. I've been on subs for 2 years , started with 2MG and worked my way down to 1 MG. Been doing 0.5mg for about a week now.

Anyone recommend how to do this? What to start with and where to go from there? I have 50 pills... I am planning on starting the vike later tonight after its been a full 24h since my last dose of bupe

How are you doing, man? I'm down to 1 mg every 48 hours myself, so theoretically about 0.5 mgs per day I guess. I don't really get physical withdrawal symptoms so much now (slight aches and pains, runny nose, restlessness) but I think the depression is what hits me hardest. I just start feeling like everything around me is grey,. and struggle to find the motivation to do things. I stuck with it as long as I could today before I took 1 mg. Going to try to make this one my last dose, and just fucking man up and deal with any physical symptoms/depression.

 

[fistful_of_needles]

How are you doing, man? I'm down to 1 mg every 48 hours myself, so theoretically about 0.5 mgs per day I guess. I don't really get physical withdrawal symptoms so much now (slight aches and pains, runny nose, restlessness) but I think the depression is what hits me hardest. I just start feeling like everything around me is grey,. and struggle to find the motivation to do things. I stuck with it as long as I could today before I took 1 mg. Going to try to make this one my last dose, and just fucking man up and deal with any physical symptoms/depression.

hahah , what is there to "man up" about depression ?If you are referring to what I personally feel when I try to quit opiates altogether (cold turkey) be prepared to "man up" for a few months 24/7.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

Now, I know that the naloxone in the Suboxone preparation is essentially inactive, but I have noticed a decrease in my desire to drink since I've been on suboxone (almost 19mo now). I've never been a heavy drinker (maybe more like a binger in college) but I don't even want to drink a beer anymore. Do you think it could be the naloxone or is it something else?

I think buprenorphine just makes the experience of alcohol unpleasant.

I think the experience of alcohol is inherently unpleasant, I think opiates accentuate it too. Just a thought.

 

[fistful_of_needles]

But yeah man, after 15 years of this adorable "entertainment" there's still no doubt in my mind that "cold turkey" is the way to go.You do it once and relapse , twice and relapse etc etc ...comes to a point you are simply too drained to do it the way you know you should.

 

[DangerChamber]

I don't like cold turkey. You feel every bit of that psychological withdrawal and this shit is LOOONNNG lol

 

[Transcendence]

I'm using suboxone recreationally now. I'm using it rather regularly too because its so ridiculously cheap. How long can I expect to be able to take it without a big increase in tolerance? I'm taking about 1 mg every 2-3 days.

 

[fistful_of_needles]

wish I knew what the effect of Subutex/one would be had I never touched H before...I can only guess it can be pretty addictive though ...at least judging by the number of people in here who'd rather waste a tenner on an 8mg Subutex tab than the same amount on a bag of H.

 

[Trigeminal]

hahah , what is there to "man up" about depression ?If you are referring to what I personally feel when I try to quit opiates altogether (cold turkey) be prepared to "man up" for a few months 24/7.

I don't have an alternative. It's either man up and stop taking pills or continue giving in.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

I'm using suboxone recreationally now. I'm using it rather regularly too because its so ridiculously cheap. How long can I expect to be able to take it without a big increase in tolerance? I'm taking about 1 mg every 2-3 days.

You probably won't get a tolerance increase.

I've been using 0.4 to 0.6 mg per day every day for a while. I have no tolerance increase.

 

[DangerChamber]

wish I knew what the effect of Subutex/one would be had I never touched H before...I can only guess it can be pretty addictive though ...at least judging by the number of people in here who'd rather waste a tenner on an 8mg Subutex tab than the same amount on a bag of H.

It's not.

Actually, that's why it IS so awesome. If you've been through an addiction you'll take suboxone and go "omfg, this is nothing" and continue to take it because of the security that you can indulge in its effects without having to worry about being addicted. At least that's me.

 

[Trigeminal]

You probably won't get a tolerance increase.

I've been using 0.4 to 0.6 mg per day every day for a while. I have no tolerance increase.

Is there a way to do this (use <1mg amounts) without using bacteriostatic water and making a solution? I don't want to IV it, but I would like to try to start tapering down to lower amounts.

hahah , what is there to "man up" about depression ?If you are referring to what I personally feel when I try to quit opiates altogether (cold turkey) be prepared to "man up" for a few months 24/7.

What is your point by the way? I don't really understand why you would post this besides just trying to be a dick.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

Is there a way to do this (use <1mg amounts) without using bacteriostatic water and making a solution? I don't want to IV it, but I would like to try to start tapering down to lower amounts.

Yeah, you can do the thing I used to do. Get a pill crusher, a clean mirror and new razor blades.

You crush up the pill in the pill crusher, and dump it on the mirror. You can use the razor to separate out lines or piles of powder, and then you can put this powder into your mouth via using a spoon to dump it in, or you can put it in a few drops of liquid in an oral syringe and then put it under your tongue. There's a few different ways to do it, but that's just an example.

 

[fistful_of_needles]

Is there a way to do this (use <1mg amounts) without using bacteriostatic water and making a solution? I don't want to IV it, but I would like to try to start tapering down to lower amounts.



What is your point by the way? I don't really understand why you would post this besides just trying to be a dick.

Well,wouldn't you agree that there's a limit to the pain/discomfort one can stand?At least to me and to some other people in here I can guarantee you that "to man up" is simply not a possibility anymore and I've managed to quit H cold turkey countlesss times.Last time I tried it I was well over 2 months into it and I realized that I wasn't getting any better ,at least not "psychologically",as a matter of fact I was feeling worse than when I started if anything.Rather scary,ridiculous as it may sound I even considered "permanent damage".Usually after 1 month of going cold turkey I'd be incredibly motivated to do things,jubilant of being dope free even ,this time around I simply felt like a fukking walking corpse literally,I simply couldn't find anything "positive" to hold on to,the constant self loathing only rivalled by the disgust I felt for everything around me,feeling drained of everything in general,not being able to number a single reason to be alive ,and this after 2 fucking months which mind you felt like 2 years.The point being that there's some place along that line where "man up" is little more than 2 empty words...a reminder of just how fucked you are at best.

 

[StaffWriter]

Yeah , Bupre is apparentely very Incompatible with alcohol ,I used to be a regular drinker before getting on bupre maintenance and these days I couldn't even tell you the last time I touched a beer or anything with alcohol in it for that matter ...alcohol feels like something else when mixed with bupre,something which isn't necessarily enjoyable ... oh by the way ,that's got fukk all to do with the Naloxone in Suboxone since I used to be on it and then I decided to change to Subutex and the "problem" still persists .

It's not so much as how I feel on alcohol but more of a "lack of desire" to touch alcohol. People around me are downing one drink after another and all I can think is yuck. Really makes my stomach turn. But like you said, I guess it's not the naloxone. The reason why I posed the question is the usage of Naltrexone in alcoholics.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

It's not so much as how I feel on alcohol but more of a "lack of desire" to touch alcohol. People around me are downing one drink after another and all I can think is yuck. Really makes my stomach turn. But like you said, I guess it's not the naloxone. The reason why I posed the question is the usage of Naltrexone in alcoholics.

I can't really think of drinking alcohol as a positive thing SW. A lot of my friends drink a lot too and I don't drink at all now. I barely drank in college, most of the time I would be sober when everyone around me (adults included) would be trashed. I have a funny story about such a night.

 

[Bojangles69]

Captain Heroin you said a couple pages back the trick is to wait till you're in the worst part of withdrawals and I'm just curious why you recommend that.

Is there really still a good chance of getting pwds if you're only experiencing minor wds? I'm so freaking anxious about trying sub, I HATE new pills that have crazy rules like this lol.

I think I seriously might just take it tonight and if I die I die. I'm not sure I'm gonna make it through the night because by the time I go to bed my legs WILL start kicking. The pain hasn't really started yet but I can feel hot flashes and my legs won't stop moving.

My dose was early yesterday so I was expecting to go into wds earlier. But idk I figure it I take it tonight and DO get pwd, hopefully it will only last 1/2 and then I can pass out. I can usually still sleep on pods which stimulate me. I just don't wanna wake up sick tommorow cause I'm gonna have a rough time draggn my body out of bed and going to work.

I think my real problem is I'm reading too many damn stories in this thread. I never had problems before with new meds because I never read about them online really. Reading about bupe as been making me anxious as shit with all this pwd stuff.

 

[Mandatory17]

Captain Heroin you said a couple pages back the trick is to wait till you're in the worst part of withdrawals and I'm just curious why you recommend that.

Is there really still a good chance of getting pwds if you're only experiencing minor wds? I'm so freaking anxious about trying sub, I HATE new pills that have crazy rules like this lol.

I think I seriously might just take it tonight and if I die I die. I'm not sure I'm gonna make it through the night because by the time I go to bed my legs WILL start kicking. The pain hasn't really started yet but I can feel hot flashes and my legs won't stop moving.

My dose was early yesterday so I was expecting to go into wds earlier. But idk I figure it I take it tonight and DO get pwd, hopefully it will only last 1/2 and then I can pass out. I can usually still sleep on pods which stimulate me. I just don't wanna wake up sick tommorow cause I'm gonna have a rough time draggn my body out of bed and going to work.

I think my real problem is I'm reading too many damn stories in this thread. I never had problems before with new meds because I never read about them online really. Reading about bupe as been making me anxious as shit with all this pwd stuff.

Hi Bo, I'm assuming you're starting Sub? What did you take yesterday and how many hours has it been? I was a huge freak about the PWD, thought I was going to have them and literally gave myself a HUGE panic attack, even while I was letting my first sub dissolve I was shaking so bad.. it was awful. However I was panicking for no reason. I was not 100% in wd's when I dosed my 1st sub either, that's why I was so scared. I'd say middle of the road, I started getting chills, dilated pupils, but not severe wd's yet. I wouldn't panic too much. I'd say 24 hours off anything (besides methadone, I was 48 hours off that) would be ok and you won't have PWD's. HTH! Oh and one more thing, DON'T PANIC, that always makes everything worse. I highly doubt you will have PWD's unless you were on large does of methadone prior to this, thinking back, I waited until it had been 22 hours since I had taken anything, and my last does was a couple 5mg percs and a couple 10mg hydros & I was FINE, wanted to kiss the sub. after about an hour, literally! -Manda

 

[Captain.Heroin]

Captain Heroin you said a couple pages back the trick is to wait till you're in the worst part of withdrawals and I'm just curious why you recommend that.

Because I get the most relief out of Suboxone that way.

Is there really still a good chance of getting pwds if you're only experiencing minor wds? I'm so freaking anxious about trying sub, I HATE new pills that have crazy rules like this lol.

Well there is a chance, but tough it out for a while if you're only experiencing certain minor symptoms, like yawning, slight tired feeling.

I think I seriously might just take it tonight and if I die I die. I'm not sure I'm gonna make it through the night because by the time I go to bed my legs WILL start kicking. The pain hasn't really started yet but I can feel hot flashes and my legs won't stop moving.

My dose was early yesterday so I was expecting to go into wds earlier. But idk I figure it I take it tonight and DO get pwd, hopefully it will only last 1/2 and then I can pass out. I can usually still sleep on pods which stimulate me. I just don't wanna wake up sick tommorow cause I'm gonna have a rough time draggn my body out of bed and going to work.

You'll probably be fine by tomorrow if you take Suboxone tonight.