Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine FAQ & Megathread v2; 2010

[Mandatory17]

I can't really think of drinking alcohol as a positive thing SW. A lot of my friends drink a lot too and I don't drink at all now. I barely drank in college, most of the time I would be sober when everyone around me (adults included) would be trashed. I have a funny story about such a night.

sorry a little off subject, but Captain, I've always stayed away from alcohol since being on sub. At first it was bcuz of the naloxone & I was paranoid that I'd get really sick (which isn't necessarily the case, Had 2 glasses of wine one time while on suboxone and I was fine) Now, I'm on generic subs, no naloxone. Is it safe to drink? A few beers (maybe 3-4)? I know you can't tell me 100% yes or 100% no since everyone is different, but in general I'm fairly tolerant to everything meaning that I've never had any severe reactions to mixing any drugs really. I ALWAYS ALWAYS was checking the interactions checker before I found BL. I'm a pretty paranoid person in general, funny how it didn't stop me from abusing opiates as bad as I was in the past. Anyway, just curious what your opinion is on this subject. Thanks

 

[Captain.Heroin]

sorry a little off subject, but Captain, I've always stayed away from alcohol since being on sub. At first it was bcuz of the naloxone & I was paranoid that I'd get really sick (which isn't necessarily the case, Had 2 glasses of wine one time while on suboxone and I was fine) Now, I'm on generic subs, no naloxone. Is it safe to drink? A few beers (maybe 3-4)? I know you can't tell me 100% yes or 100% no since everyone is different, but in general I'm fairly tolerant to everything meaning that I've never had any severe reactions to mixing any drugs really. I ALWAYS ALWAYS was checking the interactions checker before I found BL. I'm a pretty paranoid person in general, funny how it didn't stop me from abusing opiates as bad as I was in the past. Anyway, just curious what your opinion is on this subject. Thanks

If you keep it to 1 or 2 drinks maximum I can't imagine any negative interactions. You'll probably get more buzzed off of 1 drink than you normally do.

If you really want to go for a 3rd or 4th drink you can, but there's a good likelihood you'll be nice and buzzed by the 2nd.

The only negative interactions might be synergism (getting too fucked up), and maybe a headache (buprenorphine can cause a headache and I imagine alcohol could aggravate it).

I've had up to 1 drink on my buprenorphine before, I was fine. I can't stand alcohol though, that's just me.

 

[Bojangles69]

Hi Bo, I'm assuming you're starting Sub? What did you take yesterday and how many hours has it been? I was a huge freak about the PWD, thought I was going to have them and literally gave myself a HUGE panic attack, even while I was letting my first sub dissolve I was shaking so bad.. it was awful. However I was panicking for no reason. I was not 100% in wd's when I dosed my 1st sub either, that's why I was so scared. I'd say middle of the road, I started getting chills, dilated pupils, but not severe wd's yet. I wouldn't panic too much. I'd say 24 hours off anything (besides methadone, I was 48 hours off that) would be ok and you won't have PWD's. HTH! Oh and one more thing, DON'T PANIC, that always makes everything worse. I highly doubt you will have PWD's unless you were on large does of methadone prior to this, thinking back, I waited until it had been 22 hours since I had taken anything, and my last does was a couple 5mg percs and a couple 10mg hydros & I was FINE, wanted to kiss the sub. after about an hour, literally! -Manda

YES thats what I'm doing I'm freaking the hell out.
I think it has more to do with the fact that my brain is slowly realizing its not getting anymore pods and I'm basically changing its diet. Anytime you change a dogs diet it tends to get diarehea and shit all over the place =]
I'm afraid as long as my receptors have been use to pods that theres no way my receptors can really be clean yet, its weird, just anxiety I guess.
My last dose was just a tad over 24 hours ago, maybe 26 now I think.

Goddamn I am such a bitch haha! I am really shaking now just because I've freaked myself out, the guy I got the subs from was so calm and said he switches back and forth all the time, breaks the rules, and still never had a problem with subs. But then I come here and my anxiety has gone up about 150%.
I think I really am just nervous because I'm use to having a cup of opiate tea by me right now and its just really weird not having it. Its a mix of everything really.

Thank you so much though for the moral support. I'll update after I take the sub to let you guys know I'm still alive =]

 

[Bojangles69]

Because I get the most relief out of Suboxone that way.


Well there is a chance, but tough it out for a while if you're only experiencing certain minor symptoms, like yawning, slight tired feeling.


You'll probably be fine by tomorrow if you take Suboxone tonight.

OK last thing Captain and I do sincerely thank you for putting up with me this long.
If I DO get pwd is there something I should do or do I just wait it out?

Like would upping the bupe help get rid of the pwds or just make it worse?
I have tramadol too but I assume it would be best to not touch it while making the switch.
And last but Ive honestly been thinking about this. Is there any benefit to a new sub user like me pluggin it the first time? Like would that increase the chances of the sub working properly? Possibly lower the risk of pwd?
Or maybe make it worse?

I'm just trying to think of last minute ideas. Or do you think I'd be better off sublingual? I'm taking every single recommendation you make Captain so I'm basically putting my life in your hands here haha =] I'm gonna wait about another 2-3 hours I think before I take it. G/damn I hate feeling like a little bitch about this stuff.. thanks captain!

 

[Bojangles69]

Ok I just took 30mg of inderal to shut down my adrenal receptors. I keep em on hand for giving speeches and they usually work great to stop shaking/muscle spasms and what not.

I'm reading on the poppy forums A LOT of people exp pwd even after 22-26 hours. Most people are saying to aim for 30 with pods so I'm not taking the sub tonight screw it.
Just reading the experiences off accelerated wds is scary. I'll wake up early tommorow and take the sub, I do feel I will get pwd if I take them tonight before going to bed and I know I'm gonna hate myself for it..

 

[DangerChamber]

Is there a way to do this (use <1mg amounts) without using bacteriostatic water and making a solution? I don't want to IV it, but I would like to try to start tapering down to lower amounts.



What is your point by the way? I don't really understand why you would post this besides just trying to be a dick.

It sounds like he's trying to help you
fuck pride, you don't want to go through PAWS for months straight. I'm in the process of that now and NOTHING good comes out of it, you just feel super stressed all the time

 

[KrisLil447]

i have a question that is off topic. I did a lot of reading on the best way to take suboxone and everyone was saying to plug it. Right now I am on 16mgs/day. So I plugged 16mgs. Immediately I got flushed and very warm but that was it. I feel nothing! Is my tolerance too high? I did the whole procedure really carefully. Did I just waste those 2 pills? How long is it supposed to take to kick in after it's inside you?? I've been on suboxone for a lil over a month, i started off on 32mgs a day for about 3 weeks now i'm at 16mgs/day

 

[Bojangles69]

Hey Kris I def think you can have a tolerance by now. You are increasing its bioavailability, it should be going from 10% to 50% but I think you are taking to high a dose. It seems most people who get off on subs are actually taking much lower amounts daily, like 1-4mg. It noticed someone else taking a lot like you complaining they didn't get anything from pluggin, so tolerance may def be a factor.

 

[Bojangles69]

I have a question can I take like 2-3 trams just to sleep tonight or will that effect by first dose of sub tommorow? Tram usually doesn't interact right?

 

[disasterline]

hey captain, how do you use such a small amount? do you dissolve the pill into a certain amount of water and then measure it like that?

i am a hugggggggggggggggge fan of IV sub, but 2mgs is the least i could use and feel something, so how do you do it? you must have a very low tolerance.

on another note, i found that when i take subs for a few weeks, and stop and want to use oxy or hydros i have no idea where my tolerance is at, and usally ends up in me taking to little or to much and it makes me mad

 

[Mandatory17]

thanks Captain for the answer about the couple drinks, that's how I assumed it would work. At first I was under the impression that I'd get violently ill if I drank anything, & that wasn't the case I'll stick to my 2 drink maximum when I go out, it's just so strange to order O'douls.. which I actually did last time I went out! It works though, I can be the DD most of the time.

Glad you're still hanging in there Bo, it's very hard not to panic when starting sub. I was definitely one of the people who panicked, but really it was all for nothing! Hope all goes well

 

[Captain.Heroin]

OK last thing Captain and I do sincerely thank you for putting up with me this long.
If I DO get pwd is there something I should do or do I just wait it out?

I would ride it out. Reason being, using other opiates won't help at that point. Using more buprenorphine might make you only feel worse.

The odds are you won't get precipitated WD's if you are in fairly bad acute WD when you first take Suboxone. If you're high on opiates, and take Suboxone, the precipitated WD will be horrible. If you're not yet coming down but are no longer high, the precipitated WD will vary per individual, may or may not be that bad.

I wouldn't be scared about it. The WD symptoms I would specifically watch for are piloerection, and hot and cold flashes that are very obvious and distinct. You probably know what I mean if you went 2 or 3 whole days without heroin after being on a large dose of it. Piloerection is when you get goosebumps.

These indicate your BP is higher than normal, a normal symptom of opiate WD. You can even measure your own BP with a cuff at home to help gauge how bad your WD is.

You should also take your pulse. That will help you determine when you're in acute WD.

Like would upping the bupe help get rid of the pwds or just make it worse?

It could go either way, so that's why I advise riding it out.

I have tramadol too but I assume it would be best to not touch it while making the switch.

Tramadol is OK to take while on Suboxone.

And last but Ive honestly been thinking about this. Is there any benefit to a new sub user like me pluggin it the first time? Like would that increase the chances of the sub working properly? Possibly lower the risk of pwd?
Or maybe make it worse?

Any ROA will put you in precipitated WD if it's going to happen anyways. You can plug it if you'd like, that's really up to you. If you vomit when you're plugging you wouldn't lose your dose, that's a plus.

I'm just trying to think of last minute ideas. Or do you think I'd be better off sublingual? I'm taking every single recommendation you make Captain so I'm basically putting my life in your hands here haha =] I'm gonna wait about another 2-3 hours I think before I take it. G/damn I hate feeling like a little bitch about this stuff.. thanks captain!

I would take it sublingual the first time, just because it'll give you a good feel for the medication. Just my two cents. There might be an up side to plugging but it would probably be with an increased BA, or a shorter time until onset.

Good luck with the switch! When I was waiting to get on Suboxone, I toughed out day 1 of coming down, then I passed out and "slept" (near the end, I was just tossing and turning and it was getting pretty bad) and that morning I got to the doctor's. I was 100% ready then.

I wish you the best of luck, and feel free to stop in here for anything.

Ok I just took 30mg of inderal to shut down my adrenal receptors. I keep em on hand for giving speeches and they usually work great to stop shaking/muscle spasms and what not.

I'm reading on the poppy forums A LOT of people exp pwd even after 22-26 hours. Most people are saying to aim for 30 with pods so I'm not taking the sub tonight screw it.
Just reading the experiences off accelerated wds is scary. I'll wake up early tommorow and take the sub, I do feel I will get pwd if I take them tonight before going to bed and I know I'm gonna hate myself for it..

Yeah when I first took sub I was at 48 hours, but I probably could have taken it earlier than that. *shrugs*

It's good to wait as long as possible, this will pretty much ensure that the transition should go smoothly.

i have a question that is off topic. I did a lot of reading on the best way to take suboxone and everyone was saying to plug it. Right now I am on 16mgs/day. So I plugged 16mgs. Immediately I got flushed and very warm but that was it. I feel nothing! Is my tolerance too high? I did the whole procedure really carefully. Did I just waste those 2 pills? How long is it supposed to take to kick in after it's inside you?? I've been on suboxone for a lil over a month, i started off on 32mgs a day for about 3 weeks now i'm at 16mgs/day

Yeah, 16mg/day is a large tolerance. Try tapering down first.

I have a question can I take like 2-3 trams just to sleep tonight or will that effect by first dose of sub tommorow? Tram usually doesn't interact right?

Nope, you'll be fine combining the two.

 

[The Young Geezer]

Alright, I love the rituals of kitchen chemisry and IVing but I don't do that anymore, I wear a buprenorphine patch nowadays, which use as prescribed,and also get a 20mg bupe 20µg-hour extra patch, which are pretty much like the mylanta fentanyl patches, I already learned to dissolve them, dry them out, snort them, take sublingually all with good results using a 40-60 mix of 96%EtOH (grally 2ml per piece of patch around 4mg and about 6-7ml H2O), then I hotboil a few times, scrape the goodies, and let it hotboil a few more times on oyrex befoire filtering.

Dunno, just love the process reminds of my good ole' days synthing shit, and getting home from the lab with loads of xyrem powder, ritalin, lyrica and as of yet unnamed cannabinoids of course I got firs, ironically not fromstealing.....but from forging scripts t get 75mg hydrocodone...one for the darwin awards!....anyway as of late I don't have to spend more than 150USD a month on my meds, which are quie a few, thanks ro bupe I have loads of cash Iend p spending indrugs....luckilky not shit like coke anymore, but pharm grade rare shit you can't get in the states.

Anyway I just extracted 4mg bupe, today I bought (legally with a script) from the phar,acy 20 x 2mg Flurazepam (which are THE SHIT) a 5mg bupe patch and 120 x 30mg Flurazepam....I'm rx'd a lot of shit on top of that incuding zolpidem.

So I said fuck it and prepared a lovely solution in a 3ml rig of 1,5mg bupe 2mg flurazepam 10mg zolpidem and 30mg flurazepam....I filtered with the backload cotton method plenty of times, but pussied out <8<haven't IV'd in almost 3 years and a half)....proceeded to tur back the solution into powder and I'm feeling GREAT now, I had 2 samuel smith's lagers and a couple spliffs whilst waiting for it tp turn back into powde....and being high as I am having performed all the rituals and snorting and getting fuvked up instead of ziVing feels great....yeah it'd have been a great IV combo, but I already had enough of those....btw LOPRAZOLAM SNORTED FTW!!! Especially with a bupe blanket I get 2mg pills that are tiny as fuck!

 

[DangerChamber]

Cpt may I please ask why in the other thread you had such a huge ass needle? That really isn't necessary for IVing is it? I almost flinched looking at that shit.

 

[Bojangles69]

Haha Captains back! I didn't realize I was becoming so dependent on him till he left tonight.

Thanks again I really do appreciate everything. I had no idea thats what the goosebumps were called I seem to get that a lot actually, even at the slighest hint of wd it seems.
I know just from my last experience my weak point is def blood pressure, and honestly with the 30mg inderal and 150mg tramadol I can go easily another day with these wds. It really did help so much I'm suprised.

I'm def not feeling all panic strucken like before at least. Tommorow I'm gonna wake up early, take more inderal, prob take another 150mg tramadol, then take the sub whenever I get home from work. Thank you SO MUCH captain! Be back tommorow! ~ nite

 

[Captain.Heroin]

hey captain, how do you use such a small amount? do you dissolve the pill into a certain amount of water and then measure it like that?

i am a hugggggggggggggggge fan of IV sub, but 2mgs is the least i could use and feel something, so how do you do it? you must have a very low tolerance.

on another note, i found that when i take subs for a few weeks, and stop and want to use oxy or hydros i have no idea where my tolerance is at, and usally ends up in me taking to little or to much and it makes me mad

I do it by Micron Filtering just a few pills into quite a bit of water.

I used to IV 2mg at a time, but after a while I found switching to 1mg was easy. I atually got better effects at lower doses as I "adjusted" to each step. I did 1mg for a long time, then I went to 0.5mg for a while. Then I did 1/3 mg, and quickly went to 0.25mg. After stabilizing there, I think I started micron filtering and I quickly tapered down to ~ 100 mcg per shot (1000 mcg = 1mg, so 100 mcg = 0.1mg). I'm around there now. I have about maybe 4 to 6 shots per day max.

It took me about a year to taper down and "adjust" slowly to each step so it was an overall very comfortable process. At the moment I still get a rush and a high out of each dose. %)

 

[Captain.Heroin]

Cpt may I please ask why in the other thread you had such a huge ass needle? That really isn't necessary for IVing is it? I almost flinched looking at that shit.

LOL! That's not for IVing! I wouldn't use that needle for anything other than micron filtering.

When you're passing the solution through the micron filter, you need a needle tip on the end in order to put it into a vial.

After that, I cap them and put them in a biohazardous container.

I couldn't bring myself to IV with a 22g needle. I only use 31g needles for IV.

Haha Captains back! I didn't realize I was becoming so dependent on him till he left tonight.

Thanks again I really do appreciate everything. I had no idea thats what the goosebumps were called I seem to get that a lot actually, even at the slighest hint of wd it seems.
I know just from my last experience my weak point is def blood pressure, and honestly with the 30mg inderal and 150mg tramadol I can go easily another day with these wds. It really did help so much I'm suprised.

I'm def not feeling all panic strucken like before at least. Tommorow I'm gonna wake up early, take more inderal, prob take another 150mg tramadol, then take the sub whenever I get home from work. Thank you SO MUCH captain! Be back tommorow! ~ nite

Cool! Glad to hear it worked out for you.

 

[HdoubleODeezy]

i also iv my subs and am down to .5mg a shot and shoot about 4 times a day.. im planning on lowering to get to CH's level but it seems harder for me than it did for him.. anything less than .5mg/500mcg doesn't make me feel any better (especially when i get up in the morning).. so im gonna keep my morning dose at 500mcg and drop my other doses during the day to 400mcg and then drop morning dose to 400mcg after a week or so.. then let myself stabilize. and then keep morning dose at 400mcg, and drop daytime doses to 300mcg and eventually move my morning dose down to that also and let myself stabilize. and continue until i feel im as low as i can go. for some reason i dont think ill be able to get to 100mcg. but i have all the time i need so anything can happen. btw i find iving to be the best way to take subs IMO (micron filtered of course) i make 1mg per ml/cc solutions in a 30ml/cc vial every week or two. i find the whole process fun to do actually.

 

[IndustrialStrength]

If I may ask, what specifically are you using buprenorphine that infrequently for? It's obviously not maintenance, is it for getting high, or for pain management? Anti-depression? etc?

There's lots of positive uses for buprenorphine.

Sorry for the delay in replying, I've been busy & hadn't had a chance to get back to you.
I've used suboxone for all the reasons you listed actually.
Well now I mostly use it as a tide me over when I don't have other opiates.
I have had back pain for about a year or so and abdominal pain for 6 months plus.
Due to my lack of insurance and a few other factors I began self medicating with opiates.
12 G's in medical testing that I luckily (after much stress & finagling) got covered by the hospital & not finding answers being one of them.
I continue to do so, as without opiates my quality of life due to said pain is not what I would like it to be.
Eventually I would like to get insurance, proper medical treatment and/or prescriptions that I feel I need.
Sadly that is not possible at this moment in time.
Now, considering the time frame I listed, you can probably guess that by now I'm physically dependent.
I also have definite psychological based cravings as well.
This might be due to the fact I've had depression/anxiety issues since I was a child.
The mental effects of opiates obviously also greatly appeal to me as a result.

So to better answer your question my most common use of Suboxone now is to stave off w/d when I'm out of my DOC.
However, some days I use it rather than my DOC if I'm looking for the different effects suboxone provides or for it's duration.
Due to the fact I've kept my tolerance at a level that is relatively low considering duration of use (IMHO anyways ),
I still get most of the euphoria, anti-depressant and other beneficial effects from low dose suboxone.
So overall I find it to be a versatile substance with a multitude of uses.
As such I use it for various reasons outside of my most common one.

Sorry if the reply is a bit long winded but I figured the information posted would help explain my answer & thanks for asking.

 

[lun]

You guys are fuckin hardcore man, LOL at iving with the 22g you would bleed to death, ok if your veins were like rope, young geezer please pm me (I'm not a stalker).