Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine FAQ and Megathread v.1; 2007 - 2010

['medicine cabinet']

hmm yea thats what im thinking. i was thinking about IV, figure that might actually get me high.

 

[Carl Landrover]

14 months. Its just as stimulating for me now as it was last June when I started.

Do you drink coffee or anything with caffeine? If you do, does it help at all? If not, have you considered it?

And in fact, I just noticed that I was actually a little nauseas after taking my morning dose about a half hour ago. It seemed familiar too, so maybe it does happen everyday and Ive just gotten used to it. Or, its so minor I dont even notice.

Wow, you still find it stimulating? *Is jealous* Do you ever wake up before you have to get up, take your dose, then fall back to sleep? I used to love doing that, except I'd tend to roll over and drool out a bit and then I'd be fearful I lost some sub, so I'd try to suck it back up. I sleep really well on it, just that I sleep too well and too long.

No, I've actually never had a cup of coffee. I drink iced tea, which might have small amounts of caffeine? Other than that, no caffeine, although I have an occassional red bull, but very infrequently. I've been thinking about taking some excedrine at night if I really do want to stay up, but haven't tried it yet.



That's funny about you and others faintly noticing nausea. I've always had a weaker stomach so I probably am just more aware of it/effected more by it. As long as I have weed, I guess it's alright, though I'm trying to cut back on that.

BTW, thanks for all the replies guys!

 

[thelonegunman]

I wasn't on anything when I was prescribed suboxone this time so for about the first week I felt energy and slightly buzzed (even though that's not really what I'm looking for.) I just felt content and had enough energy to get things done. I'm prescribed 2mg 3 times daily. I guess the "buzz" kind of wore out a couple days ago. I think I just might try to take just 2mg a day for a while. I'm a little apprehensive about going against my doctor's orders but I think 2mg/day would be sufficient.

how long does suboxone stay in your system? I've heard that suboxone kind of works like an anitdepressant in the long wrong and I'm intrigued by this. Even after taking it for about a month will it still help with lethargy like it has this past week or will I become totally tolerant to it? will it help with aching in the long wrong also? For some reason (I think it may have something to do with the suboxone) I have seemed a little bit more secluded from people I have been very close to in the past. I seem to only want to be around my family.

Hi Emily,

From my experience, doctor's voerprescribe the amount of suboxone necessary. You didn't mention if you were taking this to detox or what?

Suboxone , again , for me anyway, has a very long half life. I can take an 8mg one morning and feel fine until the next day almost into the evening. So 2mg, even ONCE a day, after you've been on it for at least a week or so might do you just fine.

 

[sixpartseven]

Wow, you still find it stimulating? *Is jealous* Do you ever wake up before you have to get up, take your dose, then fall back to sleep? I used to love doing that, except I'd tend to roll over and drool out a bit and then I'd be fearful I lost some sub, so I'd try to suck it back up. I sleep really well on it, just that I sleep too well and too long.

No, I've actually never had a cup of coffee. I drink iced tea, which might have small amounts of caffeine? Other than that, no caffeine, although I have an occassional red bull, but very infrequently. I've been thinking about taking some excedrine at night if I really do want to stay up, but haven't tried it yet.



That's funny about you and others faintly noticing nausea. I've always had a weaker stomach so I probably am just more aware of it/effected more by it. As long as I have weed, I guess it's alright, though I'm trying to cut back on that.

BTW, thanks for all the replies guys!

There has been times where I have woken up, taken suboxone, then fell back asleep, but when that happens, I only sleep for around another hour, when normally I would have slept for another 4 or 5. The thing is, when I wake up, my bones are hurting and all that crap, and as soon as the suboxone starts working, its something about feeling better that makes me want to stay awake. Its almost cliche to say it, but as opiate addicts, we all know that relief from feeling sick is almost a high in-and-of itself, and when suboxone is the only opiate we're supposed to be taking, we cherish that high. That said, that is probably why I cant fall back asleep for long after dosing; I want to enjoy the "high" I feel while it lasts, you know?

Also, I snort my suboxone, so it kicks in a lot faster compared to you, so that could be why I dont sleep as well when I try to go back to sleep. The stimulation comes on quick and makes it hard to sleep.

If being too drowsy is bothering you, it wont hurt to give something with caffeine in it a try. It may not help much, but it may help just enough, you know? Maybe drink a soda instead of taking an Excedrine? I dont know, its up to you. Excedrine wont hurt, as long as you dont over-do it, obviously, but Im sure you already knew that.

A weaker stomach is probably the answer in your case, but like you said, if you have weed, youre alright.

 

[frederixxxashes]

Suboxone Withdrawal

Well I am just finishing day number 1 of not using suboxone. I was on it for about 5 weeks because of an oxycontin addiction for 2 years on and off.
I started at 6 MGs a day then I weaned myself to about 1 MG a day.
Yesterday I woke up and I said screw this crap. I no longer want to be dependent on a drug to get me through each day, so I decided just to stop using the suboxone.
Anyways, back to Day 1.
It has been pretty terrible. My whole body is aching tremendously and I cannot get comfortable. Also, of course, it's almost impossible to sleep.
If it were not for my gf here, I would not be able to do this.
She is here for me every step of the way.
She has cleared the next 4 days of her schedule to stay at my house with me day and night.
I guess I'm posting this on here because I wanted to talk to other people regarding withdrawling. Maybe you guys had questions or advice for me.

Has anyone here gotten off suboxone, and if so, how long should I expect to feel this crappy?? Like, I understand it's going to take months before I'm back to normal, but when is the worst going to be over?

It's hard to hold on.

 

[Mr Blonde]

Merging question about suboxone WD into the sub mega thread.

ETA: Have read through this thread, frederix, the answer to your question about length of WD is answered on the first page.

 

[frederixxxashes]

awesome! I just noticed that. Thanks!

 

[frederixxxashes]

if i were to take 30mg of codeine in the middle of my suboxone withdrawal, will that screw up my progress in any way because codeine is an opiate as well?
i figured the codeine might help the pain a bit.

 

[Unknown]

^^^
You probably wont notice the codeine, because buprenorphine is so potent, and your tolerance would be elevated. When was the last time you doses, and how much?

 

[frederixxxashes]

the last time i dosed was wednesday, around 10 am. I took less than .5 mg of sub. i'm wondering if the codeine will impede my progress of withdrawling. In other words, will my first day of withdrawling, all the pain ive endured, etc., be for nothing because i took an opiate and had to start from scratch again? if that makes sense.

 

[Unknown]

the last time i dosed was wednesday, around 10 am. I took less than .5 mg of sub. i'm wondering if the codeine will impede my progress of withdrawling. In other words, will my first day of withdrawling, all the pain ive endured, etc., be for nothing because i took an opiate and had to start from scratch again? if that makes sense.

Doubtful, in a physical sense. Codeine is a weak opiate. It only becomes active when it is converted to morphine in the liver. You are on a low dose of suboxone, so either you have tapered down low, or you have always had a lower tolerance. This may affect your progress in the sense that it seems like your trying to get off of opiates. Are you in like chronic or acute pain, or is the pain due to WDs?

If its acute or chronic, the codeine may help for that. It differs from person to person. Me personally, codeine doesnt convert to morphine (I proved this too!) and its rendered useless. It may help you, and may help with withdrawl. Its not at all close to the potency of buprenorphine, so dont expect to be withdrawl free.

 

[frederixxxashes]

Doubtful, in a physical sense. Codeine is a weak opiate. It only becomes active when it is converted to morphine in the liver. You are on a low dose of suboxone, so either you have tapered down low, or you have always had a lower tolerance. This may affect your progress in the sense that it seems like your trying to get off of opiates. Are you in like chronic or acute pain, or is the pain due to WDs?

If its acute or chronic, the codeine may help for that. It differs from person to person. Me personally, codeine doesnt convert to morphine (I proved this too!) and its rendered useless. It may help you, and may help with withdrawl. Its not at all close to the potency of buprenorphine, so dont expect to be withdrawl free.

the pain is due to WDing off of the suboxone. 5 Weeks ago, I started on 6mg of suboxone (after an oxycontin addiction of 2 years) so i tapered down to 1mg, then on the last day i took .5mg. the pain is pretty bad and i cannot get comfortable or sleep so i was just hoping the codeine would help a little bit with the WD's without impeding my progress. i am no longer mentally addicted to opiates, just dependent on the suboxone because it prevents me from withdrawaling.

OH AND BTW. thanks alot for the prompt response and great advice.
i greatly appreciate it.

 

[Unknown]

the pain is due to WDing off of the suboxone. 5 Weeks ago, I started on 6mg of suboxone (after an oxycontin addiction of 2 years) so i tapered down to 1mg, then on the last day i took .5mg. the pain is pretty bad and i cannot get comfortable or sleep so i was just hoping the codeine would help a little bit with the WD's without impeding my progress. i am no longer mentally addicted to opiates, just dependent on the suboxone because it prevents me from withdrawaling.

OH AND BTW. thanks alot for the prompt response and great advice.
i greatly appreciate it.

I understand, and your welcome

Sounds like you should tell your doctor this. And it sounds like to me that your not ready to taper down to .5mg, because your getting these symptoms. Try to get an increase if you can.

As far as the codeine, it MAY help a little bit. Take them. I cant give u a definite answer, because how codeine works. If you have taken it before and it worked, then YES, it will help with withdrawals. For some people, codeine is uselss, like me. Take them and let us know. Dont exceed 400mg of it, because thats the ceiling dose. If you go above, its wasteful.

 

[Aeon Psyche]

Is suboxone dangerous to mix with bupropion?

 

[Mr Blonde]

^ Don't think there are any interactions.

 

[sixpartseven]

I understand, and your welcome

Sounds like you should tell your doctor this. And it sounds like to me that your not ready to taper down to .5mg, because your getting these symptoms. Try to get an increase if you can.

As far as the codeine, it MAY help a little bit. Take them. I cant give u a definite answer, because how codeine works. If you have taken it before and it worked, then YES, it will help with withdrawals. For some people, codeine is uselss, like me. Take them and let us know. Dont exceed 400mg of it, because thats the ceiling dose. If you go above, its wasteful.

Sorry buddy, but thats terrible advice.

Taking codeine when you are already down to .5mg of suboxone and ready to jump off will only set you back. Stick with your plan. No one ever said suboxone withdrawal is painless. You will feel some withdrawals. However, they should be mild. If you are finding them to be extreme, then you arent ready to get off. My advice then would be to slow down your taper and stick with the suboxone for a little bit longer.

No matter what, at this point in your process, do not start taking other full agonist opiates, whether its codeine or hydromorphone, it will set you back.

 

['medicine cabinet']

what about if someone were to taper down to a low dose of suboxone then get on a low dose of short acting opiate like oxycodone or hydromorphone since the WD is shorter? Anyone ever done something like that?>

 

[frederixxxashes]

Sorry buddy, but thats terrible advice.

Taking codeine when you are already down to .5mg of suboxone and ready to jump off will only set you back. Stick with your plan. No one ever said suboxone withdrawal is painless. You will feel some withdrawals. However, they should be mild. If you are finding them to be extreme, then you arent ready to get off. My advice then would be to slow down your taper and stick with the suboxone for a little bit longer.

No matter what, at this point in your process, do not start taking other full agonist opiates, whether its codeine or hydromorphone, it will set you back.

i ended up taking the codeine which was a tylenol 3. 300APAP/30mg codeine.
the withdrawals were taken down a bit, but i could still feel pain.
i took another one this morning with the same effect. it seems to help the wd's a bit.
im on day 2 and ive already gotten this far so there's no turning back. the wd's are pretty painful, mainly body aches. all of the other symptoms are mild. im just gonna man up and get it over with.

thanks for the advice. i probably wont take any more codeine if it is going to set me back. i assume the same would be for vicodin as well.

 

[sixpartseven]

^ the same for vicodin, yes, and any other opiate for that matter.

 

[dread]

dude the worse way to get sick is to eat some suboxone and then do opiates right after....you get violently ill...puke up shit u didnt even eat and turn white.....

That's what the doctors want you to believe...

I've been on suboxone treatment for nearly 2 years, and occasionally I've done some H on top of it.. all I've noticed is that the suboxone creates a huge cross-tolerance, so you have to shoot enormous hits of H to feel anything.

Methadone is a different thing however, mixing bupre+methadone gets you really sick... go figure.