Opioids SR-17018 Is the future of opioid detox medication. Painless easy cheat to avoid withdrawal that is too good to be true, but it is legit and real.

[notsmokeymcpot42088]

If it is legal (not for human consumption most likely) where you are I do not see a reason why they would not ship it to you.

That pricing seemed steep (Now that it is deleted I think I can say that---im not a mod or anything - nor will I ever report a post) from what very little I know. Have never had the substance personally but those prices seemed way high --- almost sigma aldrich high. (hope im allowed to say that/it slips lol)

I have some 7 OH just because it is about to be illegal and everytime that happens the price skyrockets. (See MDPV and Clonazolam!)

This is of particular interest cuz Id love to lose my sub habit ---- I never learned crypto though lol (Timeframe wise that should give you some context)

 

[4DQSAR]

Has anyone else noted that the person who began this thread has more or less talked about nothing else whatsoever?

Starting a thread promising 'Painless easy cheat to avoid withdrawal that is too good to be true'

Has in the very title inferred that it isn't true?

Because I have yet to see ANY instumental data.

BTW don't over-think how a specific medication works. While buprenorphine may act at other sites according to in vitro models or even in vivo animal models, they BOTH have huge limitations in elucidating how the mediaction works in man and don't forget, we are all different to even among clients, how important other sites are would need to be studied. Don't forget, an experiment cannot prove a fact to be true, only prove it to be false. Read Karl Popper BEFORE deciding how much a paper REALLY demonstrates.

Maybe that's what truly frightens people about science. They think it's a set of axioms when in fact it's a process. The axioms are constantly in flux so becoming in any way married to a 'truth' will only end in tears.

Remember when we were all taught neutrinos were massless? Just imagine a young physicist on the last year of their PhD which asserts them to be massless. Because I'm sure some poor soul wasted five years when an axiom changed.

 

[DrChivago]

Off topic @DrChivago

But does youre user name derive from a christian slater/brad pitt/ dennis hopper/ christopher walken etc movie? It is my favorite (DeTROIITT!)

True Romance... One of my favorites. Fire chemistry with the cast. Yeah, it's a bastardization of the reference.

Anything with Walken is great. Another is King of New York. Classic

@Mycophile

I don't know how legit I am. But there ain't no strings on me and I promise I'm a real boy. The stuff is easy to find. Totally "legal" for now and is excellent for lowering tolerance or quitting altogether.

 

[Mycophile]

True Romance... One of my favorites. Fire chemistry with the cast. Yeah, it's a bastardization of the reference.

Anything with Walken is great. Another is King of New York. Classic

@Mycophile

I don't know how legit I am. But there ain't no strings on me and I promise I'm a real boy. The stuff is easy to find. Totally "legal" for now and is excellent for lowering tolerance or quitting altogether.

Man, this would be AMAZING for my Kratom situation, cause I like to just use however long I want to but I don't like to always be dependent so I'm constantly starting and stopping again and going through WD.

I'd really just like to be able to relax with it and be like "this month I'm gonna let myself be dependent on Kratom, but next month I don't want to be," then take this stuff and just no longer be dependent and have a month or however long of be dependent.

Do you think that would work?

Also, have you experienced negative side effects? And do we have any way of knowing that this stuff might not cause cancer or whatever, consider it's still a research chemical?

And I'm assuming no one will know the answer, but do we know if this negatively interacts with any commonly used drugs?

I take Klonopin, prozac and Wellbutrin. Would anyone even have a guess as to whether this stuff would be safe to take on those drugs based on how it works? Like, does it have a big effect on serotonin?

 

[4DQSAR]

do we have any way of knowing that this stuff might not cause cancer or whatever, consider it's still a research chemical?

Yes - some almost certainly will
Yes - we (mostly) know which ones

I have exended much time and effort going into tedious detail about how impure and unsafe the synthetic CB1/CB2 ligands are. Yes as far as I know, not one person took note.

There are some others that will almost certainly increase risk of other types of illness such as pulmonary arterial hypertension and some we know to be neurotoxic.

So take your pick!

People who use drugs are mostly young (thus cannot imagine that THEY are mortal) or older and accept that drugs give them more quality of life. All of the above is likely to be overshadowed by fatal overdoses because polydrug use is so unpredictable. In the UK coroners have classed 61% of ODs as 'death by polydrug intoxication'. Like people crushing Valium into the spoon with their buprenorpine and similarly reckless behaviors.

 

[Mycophile]

Yes - some almost certainly will
Yes - we (mostly) know which ones

I have exended much time and effort going into tedious detail about how impure and unsafe the synthetic CB1/CB2 ligands are. Yes as far as I know, not one person took note.

There are some others that will almost certainly increase risk of other types of illness such as pulmonary arterial hypertension and some we know to be neurotoxic.

So take your pick!

People who use drugs are mostly young (thus cannot imagine that THEY are mortal) or older and accept that drugs give them more quality of life. All of the above is likely to be overshadowed by fatal overdoses because polydrug use is so unpredictable. In the UK coroners have classed 61% of ODs as 'death by polydrug intoxication'. Like people crushing Valium into the spoon with their buprenorpine and similarly reckless behaviors.

I'm sorry dude but I'm confused.

What questions are your answers for?

what "almost certainly will" do what? and what do we "mostly know which ones" concerning?

Are you saying that SR-17018 is a CB1/CB2 ligand and that you think it causes cancer? And what were you referring to when you said "we (mostly) know which ones"? You mean we know which of these cause cancer? If so, are you saying you think this one does? I mean I know ZERO about chemistry so I don't even know what that means.

Please clarify. Thanks.

 

[Jnowhere]

I'm sorry dude but I'm confused.

What questions are your answers for?

what "almost certainly will" do what? and what do we "mostly know which ones" concerning?

Are you saying that SR-17018 is a CB1/CB2 ligand and that you think it causes cancer? And what were you referring to when you said "we (mostly) know which ones"? You mean we know which of these cause cancer? If so, are you saying you think this one does? I mean I know ZERO about chemistry so I don't even know what that means.

Please clarify. Thanks.

Please don't ask him to expound upon that.
He will just cite reasearch papers and ignore real world experience.

Then want, and cite more research papers( many are biased)

This is one of the reasons( besides the greed of big pharma) it is hard to get any new good meds approved.

This is how big pharma stalls, and destroys any hope of progress. Using all this over and over again.

This is not a new cholesterol drug!

This is possibly a way to help those who truley want off of opiods!

Buprenorphine or methadone? Yeah, big pharma can't have their cash cows hurt.

So this is what governments does. Bureaucracy, lobbying and stalling or killing any real research. With scientific mumbo jumbo to seem like they know all.

Confuse and scare the politicians and tell the Bupe and methadone are fine.

This is what he does. This is how lawyers from big pharma work.

 

[Mycophile]

Please don't ask him to expound upon that.
He will just cite reasearch papers and ignore real world experience.

Then want, and cite more research papers( many are biased)

This is one of the reasons( besides the greed of big pharma) it is hard to get any new good meds approved.

This is how big pharma stalls, and destroys any hope of progress. Using all this over and over again.

This is not a new cholesterol drug!

This is possibly a way to help those who truley want off of opiods!

Buprenorphine or methadone? Yeah, big pharma can't have their cash cows hurt.

So this is what governments does. Bureaucracy, lobbying and stalling or killing any real research. With scientific mumbo jumbo to seem like they know all.

Confuse and scare the politicians and tell the Bupe and methadone are fine.

This is what he does. This is how lawyers from big pharma work.

He's a lawyer from big pharma?

If so, I was unaware of that.

Ok, but what if I were to ask you those same questions?

Do you (and I know you are probably not an expert and none of us knows that much about this stuff cause it's an RC) think that using this stuff is probably a big risk for things like cancer or heart damage/heart disease?

And do you think it probably does/doesn't have negative interactions with my meds: klonopin, prozac, wellbutrin, Rosavastin?

Sorry if this seems ridiculous to pose these questions when this compound seems to be brand new and I'm probably pissing in the wind expecting anyone to really know this stuff. I mean, I'm just throwing these questions out there to see what I get back.

For all we know it could be cancerous or whatever and we probably have no way of knowing what it does or doesn't interact with.

 

[chippermonk]

He's a lawyer from big pharma?

If so, I was unaware of that.

Ok, but what if I were to ask you those same questions?

Do you (and I know you are probably not an expert and none of us knows that much about this stuff cause it's an RC) think that using this stuff is probably a big risk for things like cancer or heart damage/heart disease?

And do you think it probably does/doesn't have negative interactions with my meds: klonopin, prozac, wellbutrin, Rosavastin?

Sorry if this seems ridiculous to pose these questions when this compound seems to be brand new and I'm probably pissing in the wind expecting anyone to really know this stuff. I mean, I'm just throwing these questions out there to see what I get back.

For all we know it could be cancerous or whatever and we probably have no way of knowing what it does or doesn't interact with.

@4QDSAR is not a lawyer for Big Pharma. He's just a very knowledgeable guy who tries to share what he knows with us. Why Jnowhere has such a boner for him I cannot even remotely begin to guess.

 

[Jnowhere]

No, he Sounds like a lobbyist from them.
Trying to stall and only going on research papers.

He sounds like a lawyer using reasearch papers to ignore real world results.

 

[Jnowhere]

I meant this is the tactics that are used by them. Stall any approval and try to stop by using reasearch data only.

I DIDN'T SLANDER HIM BY CALLING HIM A LAWYER FROM BIG PHARMA!!

I SAID THIS SOUNDS LIKE WHAT THEY DO!!

HE IS BRITISH, I THINK, BUT THIS SOUNDS LIKE WHAT THEY DO. HE SOUNDS LIKE THEM!!

 

[Helpmeescapethis]

Has anyone else noted that the person who began this thread has more or less talked about nothing else whatsoever?

Starting a thread promising 'Painless easy cheat to avoid withdrawal that is too good to be true'

Has in the very title inferred that it isn't true?

Because I have yet to see ANY instumental data.

BTW don't over-think how a specific medication works. While buprenorphine may act at other sites according to in vitro models or even in vivo animal models, they BOTH have huge limitations in elucidating how the mediaction works in man and don't forget, we are all different to even among clients, how important other sites are would need to be studied. Don't forget, an experiment cannot prove a fact to be true, only prove it to be false. Read Karl Popper BEFORE deciding how much a paper REALLY demonstrates.

Maybe that's what truly frightens people about science. They think it's a set of axioms when in fact it's a process. The axioms are constantly in flux so becoming in any way married to a 'truth' will only end in tears.

Remember when we were all taught neutrinos were massless? Just imagine a young physicist on the last year of their PhD which asserts them to be massless. Because I'm sure some poor soul wasted five years when an axiom changed.

The person who started this thread was a scammer, most likely. Same with some of the other initial posters. And all your concerns are valid, and good to have.

But I know for a fact it DOES work. I’ve had multiple friends with serious habits use it to great success. This was before it became such a popular topic. And we all knew how it would end: with desperate addicts having their money taken.

The thing is, if you don’t know where to get it already, you’re not gonna find it by messaging some random person whose whole existence is just shilling for the compound. Be wary of them. The same goes for anyone who refuses to acknowledge potential negatives and unknowns about the compound.

 

[4DQSAR]

@Helpmeescapethis - hope is the easiest thing to sell.

 

[Jnowhere]

The person who started this thread was a scammer, most likely. Same with some of the other initial posters. And all your concerns are valid, and good to have.

But I know for a fact it DOES work. I’ve had multiple friends with serious habits use it to great success. This was before it became such a popular topic. And we all knew how it would end: with desperate addicts having their money taken.

The thing is, if you don’t know where to get it already, you’re not gonna find it by messaging some random person whose whole existence is just shilling for the compound. Be wary of them. The same goes for anyone who refuses to acknowledge potential negatives and unknowns about the compound.

Besides with this guy you'll need 50 years of research, and 1000's of academic papers to get anywhere trying to argue with him.

The sky could be clear, and he would want several academic papers to prove it. ( I am obviously referring to; if you both looked up at the clear sky at the same time and place, outdoors.)

The shit is nearly impossible to find but I know someone who did.

It worked and wd's were gone, and tolerance down to almost naive.

However the psychological aspect was still there. Also, a tolerance reset in the hands of careless and thoughtless person, could easily be a death sentence.

So, the psychological addiction was too strong and bye bye sobriety. Time, money, and effort wasted.

That person was a recreational user with a high tolerance, due to heroin use.

Besides try finding the stuff( I have no need for it or I would have probably tried it).

 

[Pigfist]

I dont think we are allowed to discuss pricing and CERTAINLY NOT sourcing so I must tread lightly.

Too many Mg's for that to be a fair price! Seems about the best answer I can give. (If im wrong someone mention it but that seems - I cant extrapolate) lol

According to this list, treatment would be around $300 a day. One member took too much then said 20-30mg doses 2x/day would be effective. That is $300/day by this chart.

 

[DrChivago]

No Risk, No Reward. Playing "safe" with bupe and methadone is exactly what Big Pharmaceutical wants you to do.

I had a bunch of shit typed out but I just deleted it. I am not trying to schill for any vendor or for the compound in general.

There will always be fear mongering and haters silencing anything that threatens the status quo. Socrates was put to death for disrupting social order.

Ironically, this is much like Platos Allegory of the Cave.

 

[DrChivago]

According to this list, treatment would be around $300 a day. One member took too much then said 20-30mg doses 2x/day would be effective. That is $300/day by this chart.

$300 would score you about 10 grams. Thats enough to take on two peoples HEFTY opioid addictions, get clean and have some left over.

Standard doses of SR will range from 30mg-75mg every 4-6 hours. Its half life is long enough to provide adequate sleep without disturbances

The best thing about it is how quickly you can drop and taper down. 20% decrease every other day without any noticeable effects.

 

[Helpmeescapethis]

$300 would score you about 10 grams. Thats enough to take on two peoples HEFTY opioid addictions, get clean and have some left over.

Standard doses of SR will range from 30mg-75mg every 4-6 hours. Its half life is long enough to provide adequate sleep without disturbances

The best thing about it is how quickly you can drop and taper down. 20% decrease every other day without any noticeable effects.

Not right now it won’t lmao. Nowhere near that amount can be obtained for that price.

 

[DrChivago]

Not right now it won’t lmao. Nowhere near that amount can be obtained for that price.

I literally was just on the site yesterday. It's the main Chinese supplier who all these fly-by-night vendors buy from and mark up. And his prices haven't changed in a year and he stays stocked up.

I don't know where you all are seeing this stuff for these crazy prices. Either you guys have no idea what your doing or your just misinforming. There are TONS of vendors both clear and dark who sell it for less than $100/g (which to me is ridiculous when it only costs $40)

I promise you ppl. It's not hard to find. And its not expensive

 

[Allylbenzene]

I think bupe still has a place to provide stability for addicts. But SR-17018 is perfect for when someone is ready to jump off from bupe, because for some of us it is extremely difficult to get off of Suboxone after months or years stable on it.

If buprenorphine, methadone, SR-17018 and suboxone aren't available or only in limited amounts then this fairly inexpensive combo would feasibly do the job (alongside small doses of the aformentioned items if available). The combo outperforms said items in many ways.