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[Mycophile]

I understand it, you’re kind of stuck in that loop. When I was taking kratom, I’d take my night dose and by the morning I’d already wake up in WDs.

From my perspective, you have two choices. One is to stop it once and for all and either just raw dog life or find another substance that’s less addictive, like weed (a medical strain or whatever works for you).

The other option is to come to terms with it and keep a steady dosage that doesn’t interfere with your life but it won’t give you all the benefits. That’s the thing with all substances: at first you get all the advantages (analgesia, mood boost, social lubrication, etc.), but after a while they fade.
So if you can come to terms with keeping a steady low dose, you’ll probably keep something like the analgesia, but lose the mood boost and the rest. I don’t think there’s really an in-between with it.

As for testosterone concerns, I get it. I see it all the time with friends who use opioids low testosterone, low sex drive, etc. I’m on TRT, so I don’t really get those side effects anymore. If you’re at the right age, it might be something to consider.
I’m a bit hesitant to recommend this, but I used to be dependent on kratom too waking up in WDs every morning and it also got to the point where it felt gross and I couldn’t even get it down. I stopped for almost a year, and now I use 7-OH. It’s a lot more potent and has most of the benefits of kratom (even more, honestly), without most of the downsides except for testosterone.

I take breaks from it usually 2–3 days off every week. I haven’t noticed any withdrawals with it, not sure why, maybe because of its short half-life. I also don’t escalate the dose. I take around 2.5 to 10 mg max, usually around 7.5 mg, and I feel good there.
I think I have a relatively healthy relationship with it. Still, I’m a bit hesitant to recommend it because of all the horror stories around it but if it works for me, maybe it could work for someone else.

How are you able to take 2-3 day breaks from 7-OH and not go into WD? I mean for me, now with plain leaf sometimes it could take 2-3 days for WDs to show up, but then they'll happen for over a week.

I don't see myself being able to take tiny doses of Kratom unless tapering because the mood boost is entirely what I'm after and not the pain killing effects, although I will probably need those eventually for injuries I have.

I would like to try TRT for a bunch of reasons not even just related to Kratom but it's a big decision and I also don't think I can afford it now. At some point I might though.

I'm definitely not never going to do Kratom again either. I see no other options that to keep doing what I already have which is enjoy it sporadically then force myself through the WDs and then stop for periods of time even while dealing with the inconvenience it causes me simply because I like it too much to entirely quit. I could try for one dose a week or something and use Naltrexone to enforce that, but I'd probably slip up eventually.

The only other option I see is becoming SUPER comfortable with tapering. It might be possible, but my WDs last so long that usually I just want them over with so I go cold turkey, but MAYBE if I wanted to really be able to use Kratom frequently i could practice tapering so much that I could get to a point where I'd rarely be in WDs that would be uncomfortable enough to really slow my lifestyle down. Are you or do you know anyone who has gotten to that point?

Also, you mention sleeping on Kratom and I have never been able to sleep unless my last dose has worn off like AT LEAST 5 hours prior to bedtime. It's FAR too stimulating for me. The reason this worries me is cause I have injuries that will get worse over time cause I do martial arts and now our fucked up doctors won't prescribe opioids anymore and when I've been in pain I've found the time I need relief most is when I'm sleeping, so I'd need hydro or oxy which is what I was prescribed for past surgeries/injuries, but these days they'll almost never prescribe that shit and I won't go the 7-OH route to see if I can sleep on that because I know I'll get too addicted. Anyways, it probably won't be legal for long.

Seriously, how do you manage to sleep on Kratom with how stimulating it is? Can you only sleep on 7-OH or can you actually sleep on plain leaf powder?

 

[cnnka]

How are you able to take 2-3 day breaks from 7-OH and not go into WD? I mean for me, now with plain leaf sometimes it could take 2-3 days for WDs to show up, but then they'll happen for over a week.

I don't see myself being able to take tiny doses of Kratom unless tapering because the mood boost is entirely what I'm after and not the pain killing effects, although I will probably need those eventually for injuries I have.

I would like to try TRT for a bunch of reasons not even just related to Kratom but it's a big decision and I also don't think I can afford it now. At some point I might though.

I'm definitely not never going to do Kratom again either. I see no other options that to keep doing what I already have which is enjoy it sporadically then force myself through the WDs and then stop for periods of time even while dealing with the inconvenience it causes me simply because I like it too much to entirely quit. I could try for one dose a week or something and use Naltrexone to enforce that, but I'd probably slip up eventually.

The only other option I see is becoming SUPER comfortable with tapering. It might be possible, but my WDs last so long that usually I just want them over with so I go cold turkey, but MAYBE if I wanted to really be able to use Kratom frequently i could practice tapering so much that I could get to a point where I'd rarely be in WDs that would be uncomfortable enough to really slow my lifestyle down. Are you or do you know anyone who has gotten to that point?

Also, you mention sleeping on Kratom and I have never been able to sleep unless my last dose has worn off like AT LEAST 5 hours prior to bedtime. It's FAR too stimulating for me. The reason this worries me is cause I have injuries that will get worse over time cause I do martial arts and now our fucked up doctors won't prescribe opioids anymore and when I've been in pain I've found the time I need relief most is when I'm sleeping, so I'd need hydro or oxy which is what I was prescribed for past surgeries/injuries, but these days they'll almost never prescribe that shit and I won't go the 7-OH route to see if I can sleep on that because I know I'll get too addicted. Anyways, it probably won't be legal for long.

Seriously, how do you manage to sleep on Kratom with how stimulating it is? Can you only sleep on 7-OH or can you actually sleep on plain leaf powder?

For me, with kratom I could only sleep about 2 hours once the effects wore off. While I was on it, I couldn’t sleep either.

7-OH isn’t as stimulating, but still, I usually sleep about 1–2 hours once it wears off. That said, I can sleep during the effects if I want to. I often combine it with magnolia, so there’s more of a sedative side when I take it like that. When I take it on its own, it’s definitely more stimulating.
As for withdrawals, with kratom mine would start around 6–8 hours after my last dose and would last about 10 days.

I can see the potential for 7-OH to become extremely addictive, but at least for me it doesn’t work that way. I’d actually say it feels less addictive than kratom. I’ve never felt even the slightest withdrawal from it. I think that’s because I usually only dose at night, about 1–3 times in a night, and it has a much shorter half-life. Kratom, on the other hand, stays in your system for hours even if you don’t feel it all that plant material takes time to fully absorb. I couldn’t even get high on proper opioids even 24 hours off kratom.
I know people who take kratom at 1–2 grams, 1–3 times a day. For me, that’s a pretty low dose. I used to take around 15–17 grams, sometimes even more. Personally, 7-OH feels a lot more “manageable” compared to kratom.

 

[4DQSAR]

How are you able to take 2-3 day breaks from 7-OH and not go into WD?

I can't speak for a specific user but it's generally recogized that each time a person cycles in and out of physical dependence, the AWS gets successively worse. With morphine at least, a person may only require quite modest doses so the level of physical dependence is lower so the AWS is not severe and can take significantly longer to appear.

 

[cnnka]

I can't speak for a specific user but it's generally recogized that each time a person cycles in and out of physical dependence, the AWS gets successively worse. With morphine at least, a person may only require quite modest doses so the level of physical dependence is lower so the AWS is not severe and can take significantly longer to appear.

When I was fresh out of kratom let’s say 1 month off and took a tablet of 7OH the next 2 days were a mess not horrible but still not feel good. Now that I’ve stopped kratom 7OH dosent seem to cause me WD’s maybe because I take it 5 days in a row max usually 4 and then take a break for 2-3 days and my dosages stay low I max out on 10mg that’s four 2.5mg dosages from evening through late at night spaced out 1-3 hours one from each other. I don’t want to say a lot maybe I’m just lucky or haven’t yet developed a dependency on this stuff and maybe if I keep going that way it will eventually hit me but so far so good , I have noticed slight psychological addiction forming but I tough it out when I stop for 2-3 days and it isn’t so bad the first day I want it but I won’t get out my house to go buy it by the second day I want it less by the third day I don’t even care I like sober but in the 4th day it comes the weekend and I just automatically go buy it to relax and have a nice opiated weekend. I’m the same way with Tarmadol I like it but it dosent pull me so much. If it was morphine or opium forget about it.

 

[4DQSAR]

Well, someone has pointed out that MGM-15 is now turning up. I was given to understand that mitragynine is an item of commerce and chemists are using Oxone (potassium peroxymonosulfate/KHSO5) to perform the single electron reduction that yields 7OH. Reducing that to MGM-15 (x240 M in animal models) is not a possible but a certain to replace 7OH. I doubt even an ELISA test would differentiate between 7OH and MGM-15.

Now the above is just an outline. All of the above is in the public domain BUT I provide no facile synthesis.

Grisham's Law means it will almost certainly replace 7OH.

American Kratom Association

www.americankratom.org

Now these people SHOULD be testing but it appears to use that age old trick, self-certification. I always use WHOIS and they employ obstification, which isn't great.

 

[Mycophile]

For me, with kratom I could only sleep about 2 hours once the effects wore off. While I was on it, I couldn’t sleep either.

7-OH isn’t as stimulating, but still, I usually sleep about 1–2 hours once it wears off. That said, I can sleep during the effects if I want to. I often combine it with magnolia, so there’s more of a sedative side when I take it like that. When I take it on its own, it’s definitely more stimulating.
As for withdrawals, with kratom mine would start around 6–8 hours after my last dose and would last about 10 days.

I can see the potential for 7-OH to become extremely addictive, but at least for me it doesn’t work that way. I’d actually say it feels less addictive than kratom. I’ve never felt even the slightest withdrawal from it. I think that’s because I usually only dose at night, about 1–3 times in a night, and it has a much shorter half-life. Kratom, on the other hand, stays in your system for hours even if you don’t feel it all that plant material takes time to fully absorb. I couldn’t even get high on proper opioids even 24 hours off kratom.
I know people who take kratom at 1–2 grams, 1–3 times a day. For me, that’s a pretty low dose. I used to take around 15–17 grams, sometimes even more. Personally, 7-OH feels a lot more “manageable” compared to kratom.

On the bolded parts: 1) did you mean to say on regular Kratom you couldn't fall asleep till like 2 hours after it had worn off or you only slept for 2 hours? Cause 2 hours isn't enough sleep for anyone obviously 2) Did you mean that you can fall asleep 1-2 hours after the 7-OH has worn off or only get 1-2 hours of sleep? 3) Wouldn't 7-OH having a shorter half life actually make it MORE addictive than plain leaf? Cause like, for example, I take Klonopin, and it's said that usually people get more quickly dependent on Xanax because of the shorter half life and duration. It wears off faster so people are going to reach for their next pill faster.

That's good that you don't have an issue with 7-OH. I just don't need to find out, and if I ever try it I'll know what I'm missing but for now I don't. Plain leaf and regular extracts like OPMS are addictive enough and also fun enough and helpful enough in certain ways that I don't need anything else UNLESS I ever need to sleep on a pain killer. Maybe somehow then I'd find a way to adapt and sleep on plain leaf but I don't know. There's a lot of people who do but I don't get it. It messes with my sleep badly. Not only is it hard to fall asleep afterwards but I'll sleep like REALLY lightly. For example, if I took it even slightly too late I'll have these periods at night where I'll suddenly find that I'm awake but I'm not really even aware that I've probably been awake for like 15 minutes or whatever. It's weird. Like I'll sort of be moving around and suddenly realize I'm awake. That never happens otherwise. Usually if I wake up then I know I woke up if you know what I mean.

 

[4DQSAR]

Works orally, and won't destroy you tooth enamel. I fucking HATE it that I'm on Suboxone, what's it like to transition from bupe. to SR 01718? Only on Subs because I could not resist the 7OH train

Look up the word 'xerostomia', or are you claiming that this ONE opioid is exempt from this well understood side effect? Because in that human trial I linked to, it certainly did - dry mouth is mentioned as a side-effect.