Solutions: Solubility & Stability Mega-Thread [Uncut]

[yaesutom]

Does anyone know, what is the least amount of solution needed, of either alcohol, or water, or a mix (vodka, for ex.) to dissolve 1mg of 5-meo-dipt in? Would one milligram (or whatever) fit into one "drop" of some solution?
I don't have a milligram accurate scale, i've dissolved 5-meo-dipt in larger solutions fine. I (and i'm sure everyone) hates the taste of this stuff, its horrible! I would like to be able to drip drops of 5-meo-dipt, on some other thing like flour (or another solid that can absorb the little bit of water/alcohol), so we can put a dose (or half a dose) into a capsule, so we don't have to taste it..
I suppose I could take a good amount of 5-meo-dipt, say 250mg, and just keep dropping drops in, until i can get it all dissolved, then maybe add a little more. But, if anyone already knows how much can fit into a "drop", i'd appreciate the advice!
Mod's Note: I just can't stand when people call it 'foxy'. I had to change it. Carry on.
[ 22 July 2002: Message edited by: morninggloryseed ]
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This will be our official thread for solubility discussion. Psychedelics and dissociatives only, of course.

Since the topic of liquid measurement technique goes hand in hand with many solubility issues, I'll also go ahead and make official my personal stance on it: Liquid measurement technique is only worth a damn if a scale of reasonable accuracy is used to confirm the initial quantity of the substance to be dissolved. That said, let's have this thread focus on solubility, not an explanation of liquid measurement for n00bs. If you need help with the measurement technique, please start a thread in Drug Basics, or add to this one. This page will also serve as a useful guide. If you're trying to properly execute liquid measurement technique and you need to know how accurate your scale should be for initial measurements, please post in this thread.

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[Murple]

5-MeO-DiPT

Hard to say... this would depend on what solvent you used, the temperature, purity of the 5-MeO-DIPT, etc.
I think you'd need more than "a drop" with most solvents.

 

[C21H23NO5]

5-MeO-DiPT

pour out some solution and add the 5-meo-dipt, and just add more solution if it hasn't all dissolved. It's logic.

 

[yaesutom]

Whoa, I did call it foxy? Damn, I guess that damn word is "getting around" a little too much, and I was using it..ahh, and didn't even notice it, thanks
Its been going around in "my area", people calling it foxy, people are starting to sell it in capsules. Its very wierd when you talk to someone you don't know, and they say "dood you gotta try this new thing foxy, they're 25 bucks a hit".
Oh well, I will just try adding drop by drop, til all the 5-meo-dipt is dissolved, and hope that it fits in little enough liquid for my purpose. Thanks.

 

[yaesutom]

^^^^^^^
Yeah, that was the point, finding a way to measure it very accurately with a solution, and then put it in a capsule

 

[Pander Bear]

^^
and why in gods name would you want to add filler to research chems?
I smell a street dealer.

 

[Murple]

Well, could just be someone who wanted to try a non-liquid volumetric measuring technique. In theory it would work if you had proper equipment, but nobody is going to have anything close at home. You'd never get a mix even enough to be accurate.
Not necessarily someone wanting to deal, so I'll give the benefit of the doubt... but in either case, not a method that will work.

 

[Lotsa]

Thanx guys, i'll take your advice.

Originally posted by atlas:
^^
and why in gods name would you want to add filler to research chems?
I smell a street dealer.
No, i'm not a dealer. But i did buy it from one.
Do you have a problem with that? Do you not like the idea of someone selling RC's? The only thing worse than causing an RC to become scheduled is no one selling it. I prefer availability over legality. If it's not available what difference does it make if it legal or not. Let's not start this topic again.

 

[Murple]

I'm VERY bothered by people selling research chemicals on the open drug market. I almost think unavailability is better than having these things being passed around to people who don't know what they're getting into. These are experimental drugs, and selling them on the open drug market is incredibly unethical... it's comparable to conducting medical experiments on people without their knowledge.

 

[Pander Bear]

5MEO-DiPT, and the rest of these RCs aren't good enough compared to LSD and Mushrooms to weather DEA schedueling. Take a good look around and tell me if you see any 2C-B, DMT, AET, or DOM in your average dealer's chest of merchandise. If these chems get schedueled, it will probably be the last you ever see of them, barring some VERY good hook ups, or a strong backround in chemistry and lab procedure.
STOP SELLING FOXY TO RAVERS

 

[gnrm23]

5-MeO-DiPT

i won't get into the selling thing...
the person i know generally tries to get folks maximally informed (here, read this blurb from tihkal/erowid/lycaeum/whatever) and then gives it away to willing test subjects (in a closed course by professional drivers)... but anyways...
for transportation purposes once, dissolved 5meo-dipt into 151 vodka dropwise (to be dropped onto sugar cubes)... the stuff is very soluble in high proof alcohol... i think like 5 mg per drop, 2 drops per cube, wrapped in foil... transported well, 20 mg was noticable but not overwhelming...
so dissolve a known amount into a counted # of drops of high-proof booze (ex: 100 mg into 25 drops hot vodka ---> ~4mg/drop)(if you warm the booze it will dissolve more quickly, but may be evaporating as you stir & dropwise deposit the charged solution onto the waiting carrier...)
ymmv...
void where prrohibited by law...

 

[silverfucked]

Storage of 5-meo-Dipt in H2O?

So, a friend aquired 1 gram of 5-meo-Dipt. He was wondering how long it would stay active(would it degrade), and in solution, in 1000mL of distilled water. Also, he could be holding on to this solution for many months, so take that into account..

 

[Matt_Himself]

5-MeO-DiPT

Although it would work (to my knowledge, I could be wrong) it is not a good idea for long term storage. Water will grow mold and/or bacteria tainting your 5-MeO-DIPT
If you were to do this same thing and use alcohol (the higher the proof the better IMO) then you could have it for much longer. Alcohol does not go bad like water will.
Hope this helps

 

[Morninggloryseed]

5-MeO-DiPT

^^^^^
Agreed. To answer your question though...nobody knows how long 5-MeO-DiPT will remain stable in water because no one has ever tested that out. It has only been available to the masses within the past 3 years or so and no long-term storage investigations have occured. If you do keep it in a solution, be it alcohol or water, store it in the freezer. This will ensure it will last longer.

 

[nada rylnym]

5-MeO-DiPT

i kept a gram in distilled water in an amber glass bottle in a paper bag in the fridge for a while last year. i only took it out about once a month to refill a dropper bottle. over the course of about 6 months it got noticeably weaker. in the end it lost about half its potency and i ended up tossing it out. it’s a pretty crappy chem to begin with, and the body load vs dose/response just got out of whack.

 

[CrescentFresh]

5-MeO-DiPT

I kept 100 mg in distilled water, in (laff all you want) an empty Sobe bottle, for about 8 months in the end...the 18 mg felt like 14...which is about what i wanted anyways. I dont regret it, since its really cheap and if someone drank out of my fridge and ingested foxy id feel kidna bad, and get sued respectively.

 

[Dexter666]

5MeO-AMT question?

I hate to ask another of these questions but i could not find info on it so here it goes whats the least amount of solvent can 1g of 5MeO-AMT be dissolved in and what solvent would be best yet easyly obtainable would 10ml work with just water or some grain alcohol.

 

[bandil]

I presume, that you have the freebase of 5-meo-amt...
That means that it will be insoluble in water and soluble in ethanol(grain alcohol). Dissolve say 100 mg's in 100 mL of pure alcohol. That way you can easy dispense a precise amount without having to drink to much.
I dont think anyone has measured the solubility of this chemical in any solvents...
But i know from experince that grain alcohol works nice!!
Good luck

 

[craig420]

I read recently of someone else who had attempted dissolving 5-Meo-AMT in water with no success. Ethanol, methanol, DCM, and chloroform should all work. Obviously, if you want to ingest this after it is dissolved, your only real option is ethanol. If using ethanol, you want to use the highest proof available. If you can get it, then use Everclear. However, the only state in the northeast that I know sells it is CT. The amount of ethanol needed to dissolve the substance will depend on the proof. If it were 100% (200proof) then the maximum amount you could dissolve would be around 1g/ml.
BTW, I was recently thinking that it would be very useful if someone put together a solubility chart for all of the RCs available.

 

[Insatiable]

You can't actualy have 200 proof alchohol btw, it would absordb moisture from the air and go down to about 98.something percent