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Mescaline

As a future reference for everyone here's what I got from the merck index about Mescaline: It's moderately sol in water; soluble alcohol, chloroform, benzene; insoluble in ether, pet ether. And that's for the freebase.

Also, you may want to check out some other sites (not gonna post a link here, but the one that I'm thinking of is a little bit more chem oriented) as they should be able to provide you with a better source of information about the actual mechanics of certain procedures.

Also, do you mean basic water as in alkaline, or as in just water? Cuz if you mean alkaline, pH 4 is most certainly not alkaline.
 
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RC's and liquid storage

I am able to measure chemicals roughly to 100 mg with my current scale and will be researching a liquid method. Once the chemical is put into the water what would the reccomendations be on storage of the liquid and will I have to worry about breakdown/loss of potency of the disolved chemical (PEA.) between the initial solution being made and the next test date 2-4 weeks later.

I read through the post on rc and shelf life and the census showed that storing rc's is best in a dry cool environment. I'm not sure if that was due to a breakdown factor or more for sustaining an easier substance to work with.


the_anatomist
 
Re: RC's and liquid storage

the_anatomist said:
I am able to measure chemicals roughly to 100 mg with my current scale and will be researching a liquid method.
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roughly? accurate to what degree?

the concern with storing PEAs in solution is that they might break down and lose potency. however, in my personal experience i have found most PEAs to be very stable, and should last in sterile solution for quite a while if kept out of the heat and light. just don't use tap water and and try and make a fairly concentrated solution, for example 10ml per 100mg. i would not freeze it, but the 'fridge might be a good idea. just remember to shake shake shake before using. and, get a real medicinal dropper that indicates milliliters, don't try to count drops or anything silly like that. if only storing for a few weeks it should be fine.
 
2C-I

i know of 2c-I that was stored sealed in high-proof alcohol at room temperature for months and months without any obvious loss in potency. The concentration was somewhere around 8mg/mL if memory serves.
 
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Solubility of 2C-I

I've been unable to find the answer to this question elsewhere, and am curious if 2C-I is soluble in either water or alcohol, as I have recently come across some and have no accurate way to measure the chemical otherwise.
 
2C-I

2-ci is actually quite water soluable. You should have no problem using it as a solvent.

SG
 
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The quick response is much appreciated. Perfect, won't even have to buy any booze for this :)
 
better weigh the whole batch first...somehow...don't put blind faith in the vendor to have shipped exactly the amount you ordered.
 
4-HO-DET

I should be receiving a small amount of 4-ho-det, like I usually do, I was going to dissolve the known amount into water or alcohol. Now about all the stories of it turning into a black goo, what if it is stored in a solution like vodka?

I would like it to "stay good" for at least a good while, i can put it in the freezer, etc. I don't have a scale accurate to the mg, so I always dissolve my research chem's into solution, usually a 10 parts whatever chem to 1 part solution (1mL=10mg which seems to be enough solution for most chems). Any opinions for the longest storage of this specific chem? If you had/have some, and had it for a while, and it went bad, or is still good...etc. please post. Thanks!
 
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4-HO-DET

vodka = alcohol (ethanol)+ water.

Putting it in vodka or in whatever aqueous solution of ethanol -including everclear- is going to lead to the same result : black goo.

The good news however is that the black goo is essentially 4-oh-det and still just as active as the powder.

If you want to keep it "clean" so to speak there's only one solution : keep it dry and away from heat.

Any trace of moisture will turn your stuff into black goo. Heat also plays a role.

You can get a better picture by reading Murple's investigation of the goo issue.
 
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Solubility of Tryptamines

Do the hydrochloride salts of the tryptamines all dissolve well in water?

What are the freebases eg 5meo-dmt soluble in? Ethanol?

How long can they be kept in solution, will the same storage criteria as Lsd solution be sufficient,
ie. distilled water, brown bottle, room temperature?

I see one of the recent reports at erowid shows someone with 5-meo-amt (hcl)? dissolved in vodka, is that necessary wouldn't it dissolve ok in water?

Its just i don't presently have access to an accurate scale and being unsure about dosage puts me in a bad mindset.
 
This post got me thinking that if one knew the maximum solubility of chem x in solvent y at room temp, then couldn't this person use these measurements to determine the concentration of the solution and use it as a stock solution subject to further dilution?
 
5-Meo-AMT

Hmm i am assuming if i bought 500mg then the amount i receive would be around that, the person previous to me will have weighed it out accurately on proper scales, i'm guessing at least accurate to +-.1mg. If it was bought from a web site, wouldn't they have weighed it pretty accurately, what do you think the error level they work to would be?

Therefore for say 500mg of 5-meo-amt dissolved in 500ml water would give fairly accurate dosing with a measuring syringe. If dosing in 1ml increments the error wouldn't be enough to worry about.

I'm not sure evolve's suggestion of dissolving a known amount in a certain volume would be accurate enough for our purposes without accurate measuring equipment.

Further if i have to dissolve the full 500mg at the start to ensure accurate dosing are there then storage problems. I estimate 500mg might do a year plus. Would keeping it for that long risk it breaking down? Say losing 10% loss was ok if it meant dosing could be accurate.

SKJ Just a Taste... (links to 5-meo-amt report)
 
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Hmm i am assuming if i bought 500mg then the amount i receive would be around that, the person previous to me will have weighed it out accurately on proper scales, i'm guessing at least accurate to +-.1mg. If it was bought from a web site, wouldn't they have weighed it pretty accurately, what do you think the error level they work to would be?
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this is a poor assumption at best and a disaster waiting to happen at worst. vendors are human too, and mistakes happen. not trying to lecture, just from personal experience, i know that vendors have been known to ship more product then advertized. these aren't major chemical distributors, they are often 'garage' operations, and mistakes happen. +/-.1mg is a joke. i have personally seen overage of up to 50mg. have you ever seen 50mg of 5-MeO-DiPT for instance? its nothing, barely there. again, especially with something like Alpha-O, an acurate milligram scale is essential..
 
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I'm not sure evolve's suggestion of dissolving a known amount in a certain volume would be accurate enough for our purposes without accurate measuring equipment.
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Actually, I meant to ask if you had an unknown amount of a chemical, could you determine it's weight by slowly adding a known volume of liquid until all is dissolved, provided you knew the maximum solubility of that chemical in that liquid at room temperature.

I have a feeling that this wouldn't be very feasible, but if you added say 1 ml to a pile of chemical X and got everything to dissolve, wouldn't you be able to say, that liquid contains no more than 20 mg of chem X, if it's known solubility was 20 mg/ml?
 
2C-B

I've read about people expecting 500mg of a chemical and receiving 1000mg!
Get a scale!

A bit off-topic but has anybody ever effectively dissolved 2c-b and what have they used?
 
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2C-B

^^^^
Waaay off topic,anyway i haven't done it personally but distilled water should be fine.
I actually read a post a couple of hours ago by steve elektro(i think) that he mentioned Iv 2c-b,it sounded like he enjoyed it!

Where would someone find the solubility data for alot of these chems?Is this information readily available?
 
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Ok, i'll probably be able to get access to a scale in the near future.
Taking the dangers of that assumption as heeded, what about stuff to dissolve freebase tryptamines in?

I have a feeling that this wouldn't be very feasible, but if you added say 1 ml to a pile of chemical X and got everything to dissolve, wouldn't you be able to say, that liquid contains no more than 20 mg of chem X, if it's known solubility was 20 mg/ml?
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Possibly, that's what i envisaged you meant, i don't think it would be accurate enough.
 
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