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Should we go to war with Iraq?
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CynaKill
Bluelighter
I'm really not in a position to take a definite stance on the issue. As nezo pointed out, there is nothing you or I can do about it, so I'm going to be selfish and direct my energy towards my own prosperity.
For those with more extensive knowledge pertaining to world politics: Let's say the US is purely motivated by the prospect of controlling the oil in the region and they succeed in doing so, by use of military disarmament (and occupation). What ripple effect would we (and the rest of the western world, for the matter) feel from it? What then?
For those with more extensive knowledge pertaining to world politics: Let's say the US is purely motivated by the prospect of controlling the oil in the region and they succeed in doing so, by use of military disarmament (and occupation). What ripple effect would we (and the rest of the western world, for the matter) feel from it? What then?
There's a peace rally this Friday, sorry if it's already been mentioned. It would be nice to see a big turnout in Melbourne for this.
Friday the 14th, 5pm at the State Library.
http://www.vicpeace.org/ for more details
Yeah I know it's Valentines Day but I'm meeting mine there and we're going out afterwards.
The United Nations is the proper place to address disarmament, the United States taking it's own action with a so called "coalition of the willing" threatens fifty years of precedent in international law.
In 1991 when Iraq invaded Kuwait, it was a United Nations resolution that authorised force to remove Iraq from Baghdad. Now the threat by America to invade Iraq without UN backing is the greatest hypocrisy.
Friday the 14th, 5pm at the State Library.
http://www.vicpeace.org/ for more details
Yeah I know it's Valentines Day but I'm meeting mine there and we're going out afterwards.
The United Nations is the proper place to address disarmament, the United States taking it's own action with a so called "coalition of the willing" threatens fifty years of precedent in international law.
In 1991 when Iraq invaded Kuwait, it was a United Nations resolution that authorised force to remove Iraq from Baghdad. Now the threat by America to invade Iraq without UN backing is the greatest hypocrisy.
Donny Don't
Bluelighter
If you use any petroleum (by-)products by choice, then you have no right to make a moral judgement on the cause of war in the Middle East.
Let's face it. Our lives are what they are today partly because of war. Transportation (yes even the bicycle), alternative energy sources, space exploration, computers, insecticide, even food, all spawn directly or indirectly from warfare and the research and development that results. Destruction begets construction and vice versa. We cannot have one without the other, they are the yin and the yang, the 1 and 0, it is a cycle. Even animals destroy. Call it the theory of evolution if you will.
Peace equates to inertia and eventually entropy.
Having said that, I do not deny that Bush a warmongering mad man nor do I wish for war and violence. We can wish and work for a higher evolved state of mind but realistically it is not going to happen in the near future, probably not our lifetime. So to those who are actually doing something about the opinions they feel so strongly for, I salute you. One day I might be able to join you.
/me goes back to devoting energy towards furthering his own life.
Let's face it. Our lives are what they are today partly because of war. Transportation (yes even the bicycle), alternative energy sources, space exploration, computers, insecticide, even food, all spawn directly or indirectly from warfare and the research and development that results. Destruction begets construction and vice versa. We cannot have one without the other, they are the yin and the yang, the 1 and 0, it is a cycle. Even animals destroy. Call it the theory of evolution if you will.
Peace equates to inertia and eventually entropy.
Having said that, I do not deny that Bush a warmongering mad man nor do I wish for war and violence. We can wish and work for a higher evolved state of mind but realistically it is not going to happen in the near future, probably not our lifetime. So to those who are actually doing something about the opinions they feel so strongly for, I salute you. One day I might be able to join you.
/me goes back to devoting energy towards furthering his own life.
Snrub
Bluelighter
KaNaBuS
Bluelighter
The reason we are going to war hasnt got to do with any of the things that have been posted on here already......you will probly never know the real reasons for this war wich is probly a good thing.....
Snrub
Bluelighter
memcee
Bluelighter
maybe he is alluding to the fact that 99.5% of the world is made up of plebs, and only a very few select people are controlling this planet, and the state of real, average peoples' lives are but an afteraffect of their power plays.
/me pats her conspiracy theory folder
.. it all comes down to 3 fat men..
/me pats her conspiracy theory folder
.. it all comes down to 3 fat men..
Raving Loony
Bluelighter
Uncle Sam and his Pom-Poms are going to have to produce something very special in order for me to believe them. If Colin Powell can praise the Blair dossier *ahem* only for it to be outright and outdated plagarism, then why the fuck should I ever listen to them again. If that is what military intelligence is, then I'd hate to see what military genius is.
They are just attempting to scare us all into believing what they are doing is in the worlds interest.
They are just attempting to scare us all into believing what they are doing is in the worlds interest.
Snrub
Bluelighter
Originally posted by syke:
I think it is extremely hypocritical to keep harping on about how immoral it is but yet continue living under their roof. Or in this case, using oil products.
i read your post.
im assuming by 'it' you mean people harping on about how immoral the war on iraq is (otherwise youd be off topic)
in which case i still maintain you can use petroleum products but be against going to war with iraq. im sure iraq would rather avoid war and go about their business selling oil to the west at inflated prices. we dont have to go to war to maintain our oil supples. ergo... it is not hypocritical to oppose war but use petroleum.
opposing war but whinging about petrol prices is a different story. :D
but somehow i get the feeling thats not what you meant.
KaNaBuS
Bluelighter
Well i dont know and prolly never will know the real reasons behind the war but my job involves the handling of classifyed info and alot of it on this war and it gives you some idea of what is really happining........
one of the other reasons which they've made public is that they cant let contrys like iraq/iran/north korea keep on doin things such as build nukes/icbm's and chemical an biological weponds cuz once they have enough they can hold countrys and possibly the whole word to ransome.........and also stop supplying the western world of oil which would cripple our econimic structure.......
I support whats happening atm as its long over due....who gives a fuck if gorge bush is doin what his daddy should have done....at least he's doin sumthing about it unlike some other soft cocks who want a peacefull resolution such as the frenchies amd the other faggot pacifist countrys....a peacefull resolution would not be feasable as soon as we show that were goin to let people like saddam get away with things like he's doing other countrys such as north korea/iran will use that weakness that has been shown as a green light to start there own programs to destroy the superpowers such as the usa
id rather be orderd around by the usa then some fucked up asian or middle eastern country.
one of the other reasons which they've made public is that they cant let contrys like iraq/iran/north korea keep on doin things such as build nukes/icbm's and chemical an biological weponds cuz once they have enough they can hold countrys and possibly the whole word to ransome.........and also stop supplying the western world of oil which would cripple our econimic structure.......
I support whats happening atm as its long over due....who gives a fuck if gorge bush is doin what his daddy should have done....at least he's doin sumthing about it unlike some other soft cocks who want a peacefull resolution such as the frenchies amd the other faggot pacifist countrys....a peacefull resolution would not be feasable as soon as we show that were goin to let people like saddam get away with things like he's doing other countrys such as north korea/iran will use that weakness that has been shown as a green light to start there own programs to destroy the superpowers such as the usa
id rather be orderd around by the usa then some fucked up asian or middle eastern country.
onetwothreefour
Bluelight Crew
^^^ look people, ignorance in practise. racism is *not* cool.
-Thoth
Bluelight Crew
^^^^
Woah! You sound more nuts every time you post...
Woah! You sound more nuts every time you post...
KaNaBuS
Bluelighter
KaNaBuS
Bluelighter
Meh ive seen that a million times...were not fighting just expressing our poits of view
Riot Grrrl
Bluelighter
FUCK THE WAR .. just think about it, we live in a MULTI-CULTURAL society!!!not only will we have war overseas.. we will have it on the streets of Australia.
One of the reasons Bush wants to go to war - OIL
The world supplies of oil are becoming more scarce (at our rate, world oil supply will only last approx. 60 years), there is a feeling that oil is a too valuable resource to be used for processes such as heating and generating electricity, which can be accomplished by other means.
Using our supplies of oil more efficiently is another possible method of extending the lifetime of the world's oil supply. ie. We have heard of the electric cars haven't we? this would be one way of not only conserving oil/fuel but reducing the CO2 emissions from oil which causes greenhouse gas responsible for global warming as well as sulfur dioxide and nitrous oxides which results in acid rain. Though this would sound like the more rational thing to do, IMO, someone's fat, little, greedy fingers want to get to the oil before it's too late. I'm sure with improved technology and scientific break-throughs we can come up with more effective ways to make/conserve energy.
eg. coal/wood (steam engines) = gasoline/crude oil (internal combustion engine)
In conclusion, ONE of the reasons for war is all about the conflict over the world's remaining supply of oil. Lets conserve what we have left, and come up with ways in which we won't have to use oil for energy reasons. Sept 11 was just the excuse Bush was looking for to push this issue into war.
Bush = "I want it Mommy... GIMME GIMME GIMME"
One of the reasons Bush wants to go to war - OIL
The world supplies of oil are becoming more scarce (at our rate, world oil supply will only last approx. 60 years), there is a feeling that oil is a too valuable resource to be used for processes such as heating and generating electricity, which can be accomplished by other means.
Using our supplies of oil more efficiently is another possible method of extending the lifetime of the world's oil supply. ie. We have heard of the electric cars haven't we? this would be one way of not only conserving oil/fuel but reducing the CO2 emissions from oil which causes greenhouse gas responsible for global warming as well as sulfur dioxide and nitrous oxides which results in acid rain. Though this would sound like the more rational thing to do, IMO, someone's fat, little, greedy fingers want to get to the oil before it's too late. I'm sure with improved technology and scientific break-throughs we can come up with more effective ways to make/conserve energy.
eg. coal/wood (steam engines) = gasoline/crude oil (internal combustion engine)
In conclusion, ONE of the reasons for war is all about the conflict over the world's remaining supply of oil. Lets conserve what we have left, and come up with ways in which we won't have to use oil for energy reasons. Sept 11 was just the excuse Bush was looking for to push this issue into war.
Bush = "I want it Mommy... GIMME GIMME GIMME"