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Should we go to war with Iraq?

Oh come on people! It has been 30 years since the end of the last war when Australia sent troops to die in a pointless war the USA decided was necessary. Isn't it time we again provided the blood that the US decides is needed to be spilt? It's obvious that the US can't provide any troops to be killed, when they have more than 5 troops killed they need to pull out of countries (witness Somalia), so it's up to the lucky country to send boys to get killed. Maybe we'll even get really lucky and not have any troops killed by the US army (altho' looking at the UK and Canada there isn't much chance, the Brits lost more men killed by the US than Iraq in the last gulf war and the Canadians only lost men killed by the US in Afganistan)
Forward Australia the disposable troops of Uncle Sam!
Harry
 
I dont think we should go to war.. not because of the oil and the weapons of mass destruction and george bush's itchy trigger finger.
only because the thought of all the young strong aussie boys the ones i dont know and the ones in my life that i know, love and care for being sent to fight someone elses battle... scares the living sh1t out of me.
peace.
 
i reckon we should destroy iraq. nothing beats a good old fashioned war. lets face it.....there's fuck all on tele at the moment....so a war maybe able to rekindle viewer interest, once again, in the "box".
seriously old saddam (now who's insane) hussien has been a bad boy in the past. he's invaded iran, gassed his own people, invaded kuwuit and systematically eradicated any opposition to his regime. if he gets nukes...i reckon the arsehole will use'em. he's your quientessential dictator.....he fights fire with fire. he's from the "old school".
obviously the lessons of history mean nothing to some people......look what "appeasement" did in 1938.
bomb the arseholes......after all... old saddam was democratically elected! :)
 
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Intelligence is not your strong point is it?
[ 29 January 2003: Message edited by: haste ]
 
My stance on the war scenario falls into the majority category: SAY NO TO WAR!!! Come to the peace rallys... Its our chance to have a say... even though it won't have much power or influence on the government, at least we can have a say in the whole issue and actively do something about it, at least, if anything, we can prove to the media/other countries etc etc, that although we have sent off troops, it doesn't mean all of Australia wanted this war. Its a government thing...
It just pisses me off immensley, that the Australian government completely kisses America's ass... why do we consistently have to go to their aid, i have no idea, (yes, sure, we have treaties etc with the usa, )but, we don't have to help them out in EVERY issue!!!!!! We've kisses ass enough to have the USa know that we support them, but why support them on an issue so clearly to do with the usa's interests. America needs a new deputy sheriff for the south pacific.... Australia has had its turn.
Thought this stuff might be of info for Sydney-siders: I shall be there on the 16th, and maybe this friday aswell... whose with me?
FYI ALL ;)
IRAQ PEACE VIGIL
AND
EMERGENCY PROTEST FOR SYDNEY
FEBUARY 16 WALK AGAINST WAR RALLY
COME TO THE FEB 16 WALK AGAINST WAR RALLY
12 Noon Sunday Feb 16th Hyde Park North - Speakers include Bob Brown and
prominent celebrities.
Contact: 9386-1240, 0409-762-081
PEACE VIGIL TOWN HALL EVERY FRIDAY 5.30-8.30PM
Every Friday at 5.30pm-8.30pm at the Sydney Town Hall there is a Peace
Vigil against war with Iraq. The Vigil is a peaceful, dignified and
goodvibes event.
Please bring yourself, your friends, and candles.
There are usually leaflets available at the Vigil for handing out and
posters and banners to hold.
If you are able to attend in the city at 5.30pm you are urged to do so.
EMERGENCY RALLY FOR IF WAR BREAKS OUT
In the event that war breaks out there will be an emergency protest rally
at the Sydney Town Hall at 5pm on the day that we hear the news.
There will be emergency rallies at 5pm that day in capital cities all over
Australia.
In Sydney there will be speakers and a rally organised by the Walk
Against War Coalition.
WEAR A PURPLE RIBBON FOR PEACE
We are urging all who oppose war with Iraq to wear a peice of purple ribbon
or a purple armband to show your committment to peace. Wear it at the peace
rallies- wear it at work. You can also put a purple ribbon on your car
aerial, on your bike handlebars, or wherever else you feel like...
For a supply of purple ribbons please email [email protected]
Please send all cheques to `Walk Against the War Coalition'
with `Purple Ribbons' and the name of your organisation on the back
to:
Walk Against the War Coalition
PO Box A899 Sydney South 1235
Contact: Robin Kirk 0418-657-217
John Hallam 9567-7533 9810-2598
 
great..."fuck the war" and "no war"
so what's the alternative people? a proliferation of chem/bio/nuke weapons? great.
maybe some of you anti-war people should offer yourselves up as "human shields" in iraq.
hopefully by doing this you'll be removing yourselves from the gene pool and making the world a safer and saner place.
 
Great Lorrett, really intelligent argument. With arguers like you, the Right wing is definately going to remain at the forefront of cutting edge political debate.
Okay, where do I start to tear your stupid little fucking theory apart?
Hmmm okay.
So what's the alternative people? a proliferation of chem/bio/nuke weapons? great.
No, that's not the alternative. The only reason these have been proliferated in the first place is the desire of the USA to kill or maim the citizens of other soverign nations for their own gain. In this case, the USA put Saddam Hussein in power, with the intent of using him to attack and weaken the hold on power of the Iranian Muslim Clerics, he did this to great effect. Using vast amounts of nerve gasses and other WMD's given to him by the USA.
He also used these WMD's on 'his own people' with the approval of the USA. In particular I refer to the incident quoted here his attack on 17 March 1988 against "his own people" in the Kurdish city of Halabja. Within half an hour of this attack over 5000 men, women and children were dead from chemical weapons containing a range of pathogens which were dropped on them. If the USA were so concerned about this proliferation, and his brutality, why did they continue to supply him both with the pathogens and the means to deliver them, for 18 months after they were aware the attack had taken place?
Why also did the US administration at the time, which was again Republican, stifle criticism of Iraq, and promote an image of its good human rights record and moderate stance, with statements such as this "you are a source for moderation in the region, and the United States wants to broaden her relationship with Iraq". Which was uttered by John Kelly, at the time the US Assistant Secretary of State.
This war has always been about not the proliferation of WMD's, as if the USA was serious about stopping the proliferation of WMD's they would NOT have dropped out of the Anti Ballistic Missile treaty, and would have allowed UN Weapons Inspectors onto THEIR OWN FACILITIES, which they have not.
The USA is fighting another war for cheap oil, without which, the US economy will grind to a halt.
So what's it going to be again?
Australian Blood for American Oil?
I don't fucking think so, not this time.
-plaz out-
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He also used these WMD's on 'his own people' with the approval of the USA. In particular I refer to the incident quoted here his attack on 17 March 1988 against "his own people" in the Kurdish city of Halabja. Within half an hour of this attack over 5000 men, women and children were dead from chemical weapons containing a range of pathogens which were dropped on them. If the USA were so concerned about this proliferation, and his brutality, why did they continue to supply him both with the pathogens and the means to deliver them, for 18 months after they were aware the attack had taken place?
Not to mention the fact that the CIA were on the ground at that time providing the Iraqi army with intelligence military advice. Scott Ritter, head of the UN inspection team that was ejected from Iraq in 1998 estimates that up to 95% of their bio/chem. weapons were destroyed, while Iraq is definitely not a benign power their military capacity has been severly degraded over the last 13 years of weapons inspections and trade sanctions. The threat that Iraq poses has been greatly overstated, to the point that the rhetoric surrounding it has reached hyperbolic proportions.
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plazma: you still haven't answered the question to what's the alternative to war?
obviously morons like yourself would prefer to see the world held at ranson by the likes of saddam. great. if he gets away with it a dangerous precedent will be set i.e. its OK for mass murderers to threaten world peace with wmd.
fucking crazy.
 
The alternative to war is always peace.
See my previous post for explanations for his treatment of the Kurds, etc. And throwing insults ain't really constituting a valid point as far as I'm concerned.
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-plaz out-
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The alternative to war is always peace.
true. but saddam has now had nearly of 10 years of "peace". now look what's happened.
unfortunately when dealing with people like saddam there is no peaceful dialogue, just ask the iranians, kurds, kuwaitis and his political opponents in iraq.
ya gotta play hardball....before they unleash their wmd and kill millions.
unfortunatly you "lefties" are blinded by your anti-american sentiment and cannot rationaly evaluate the current situation.
grow up and wake-up.
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ya gotta play hardball....before they unleash their wmd and kill millions.
At who prescisely? How is this in the national interest of Iraq? Wouldn't they prefer to well, get rich selling all that oil they have? Does Saddam have a history of unprovoked agression at the USA? Is there any coherent 'realpolitik' motivation behind a strategy that would involve attacking the States or *any* developed nation at the moment? Why is Saddam complicit with current weapons inspections if he is so preoccupied with killing the whole world? Does Saddam have *any* weapons delivery systems capable of reaching the US?
I think a few of these questions deserve to be answered, lorret, before you wage a highly destructive war on a nation. As for your 'we left them for 10 years' comment, I think if you cast your mind back to the US/UK 'Desert Fox' operation you would realise that Iraq has had the shit bombed out of it as recently as 1998. Please, feel free to debate... But don't start going on about how stupid 'us lefties' are unless you can back it up with some substance.
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If you are for the war,please fuck off and fight in it,if it happens.
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Originally posted by lorrett:

....when dealing with people like saddam there is no peaceful dialogue, just ask the iranians....

as an iranian, I do not agree about what America is doing.
If the U.S actually cared about liberating the Iraqi people, if they cared about saving lives, creating freedom, making our world a better and safer place, infact if they cared about anyone or anything but themselves, they would not start wars on countries that are falling apart already...
(Look at what they did to afghanistan, they went in, bombed and killed, took power from the talibanz and passed it on to another group who are just as dangerous if not more, and left the country in a bigger mess than it was already in. dare i remind you they did the same think when russia attacked afghanistan only to pass on the power to the talibans...)
and now with iraq; if they actually 'cared', they would lift the sanctions on Iraq, then empower the people, educate the people, education is power. if they cared they would send books and teachers in the country not bombs!
Bush does not care about iraqi ppl. you can not solve a big problem with a quick solution! no way. it's never been done before. war is a quick solution.
you get rid of saddam, then what? you gonna get rid of millions and millions of uneducated people who don't know what to do with their new found freedom (which they will mis-use in someway, i'm sure of it)?
it's a bit like putting someone who has been starving for quite sometime in a supermarket, they will eat and eat 'till they die.
p.s. Iraq went into war with Iran with the help of america. without their 'help' the war would not have lasted seven years and thousands of people would have still been alive.
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