Set up on a coke deal (super mega merged)

Remember:

ANYTHING YOU SAY CAN AND WILL BE USED AGAINST YOU

The cops can NOT make you a deal. ONLY THE DA/PROSECUTOR CAN CUT A DEAL

Please, if you plan on talking at all, even just basics of the situation, DO IT THROUGH A LAWYER

good luck
 
absent minded said:
they havny even served me or anything. they just assume im gonna be a narc. they let me leave without handcuffing, searching, anythihg. it was weird.
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What I know about the law comes from what I see on television so I apologize for sounding so ignorant but don't you have to be charged with something before they can offer you a lesser charge in exchange for your testimony/acting as an informant?

Don't panic. You haven't been charged with anything. But I do think you should speak with a lawyer.
 
I *think* I narc'ed on a very good friend of mine. I remember none of the interview, I was very fucked up. I thought I said nothing... But he says that I mentioned his name. One of the worst days of my life when I found that out. I can't believe I'd do such a thing, I swear I didnt... But I honestly can't remember anything about talking to the cops, being at the station, nothing. I wish I could go back SO bad. I'll always feel guilty, for the rest of my life. Honestly.
 
absent minded said:
they havny even served me or anything. they just assume im gonna be a narc. they let me leave without handcuffing, searching, anythihg. it was weird.
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If you got popped for a felony and they let you leave. I guarantee you, you promised them a bust. Ive heard of it happening way too often.
 
Honestly it sounds like the cops just wanted to scare you. You make it sound like they didn't even take your information?

Just let it blow over. You should go talk to a lawyer and just tell him what happened. Don't retain them, but tell them you may need them soon. Lawyers are expensive, but most of the time they will consult with you for free or have that first session free to tell you what you should do, and in full honesty.

Don't rule out 'narcing', but make sure the cops are working for you, not you are working for the cops, understand?

Yes, it's shitty to be a narc, we all know that. But if you have a family, or something like that, fuck, I'd say you have a moral obligation to your son over your drug dealer. Maybe that's just me, maybe I'm the only one here who thinks family always fucking comes first. Maybe I'm the only one here who thinks that nothing tops the priority of a father to their kid. Maybe I'm the only one here who doesn't think some drug dealer who just wants your money is more important than blood.
 
My family isn't particularly close, on Thanksgiving dinner it's comfortably uncomfortably quiet, but we all know that family comes first. I remember getting smacked for even considering calling the cops once, even though it was to help out the parent who smacked me, and my family is a very law-abiding family.

You're the only one who's going to look out for you in this world, and it'd be a damn shame, especially to your family and parents, if they knew you took years over some 'friends'.

You should really think what your mom or dad would tell you to do. They are the only ones in this world that truly love you. And maybe you don't have such parents, shit happens, but maybe you have an uncle or an aunt or a gramps. What would they want for you to do?

Fuck that "snitches get stitches" bullshit, it's always "Family comes first." Don't fuck over everything your [primary care-taker] did for you growing up.
 
Look I'm not trying to advocate snitching here. What I'm advocating is that you look after your own stock, your family.

I mean you can't say someone's a terrorist for buying something that came from Iran, can you? Sometimes there's unintended consequences.

But some things are just too important. It's not just about you, it's about your family.
 
TheodoreRoosevelt said:
Maybe that's just me, maybe I'm the only one here who thinks family always fucking comes first. Maybe I'm the only one here who thinks that nothing tops the priority of a father to their kid. Maybe I'm the only one here who doesn't think some drug dealer who just wants your money is more important than blood.
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I'm not going to argue with you that your family is not more important than your drug dealer since obviously your son is much much more important.

However, this entire philosophy that protecting your family justifies any action turns my stomach and is a very recent thing - post Reagan.

I can only speak for myself, as a son, that if my dad were to go back on his principles and betray his loyal friends, to stay out of jail, that he is doing me no favors and while, I might understand his actions, but I would not approve or condone them...
 
MONSTA!! said:
Until it's you he's ratting out, then it's your life. If you're prepared to do the crime you've got to be prepared to do the time.

Stand up and be a man.
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That's the price everyone in the drug game pays. Anyone who thinks their immune from being rolled over on is naive.
 
However, this entire philosophy that protecting your family justifies any action turns my stomach and is a very recent thing - post Reagan.
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I don't think so, I mean my family is definitely older than Reagan... It's not like it's a recent development that family looks out for eachother...

I can only speak for myself, as a son, that if my dad were to go back on his principles and betray his loyal friends, to stay out of jail, that he is doing me no favors and while, I might understand his actions, but I would not approve or condone them...
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Very strange. I'd rather see every drug user die than my family go to jail, myself included. I know my true family would go to jail without thinking about it before letting me get in trouble. In fact, that almost happened before.

Using the same logic I stated before, I would say that if you were in a position to narc on your family, that you should take the jail time (unless there's an understanding where those particular family members would live for you, like a parent would rather go to jail than their child).

I'm just saying nothing is more important than blood, and you can really be hurting your family if you choose to take jail rather than stay free. Even if you're not a parent, it may literally destroy your parents if you took jail-time. Make sure your own family is okay before you consider jail time over narcing.

Narcing for the sake of narcing in a moment of panic is just bullshit though, shows your a pansy - like if you spew names right the moment your busted. But if you got to strap on a wire and do a formal deal like that, well, we all have to take care of our own.
 
Okay, based on what you said about you attracting negative energy, you need to read this and follow it as closely as possible. If you do these things (especially #1 and #4), then it is guaranteed to work out for you better. Memorize these things and don't stray from them.

1) Don't say shit to anyone except a lawyer. Period. Not even friends (especially not drug acquaintances), and not even family unless you have to.

2) If they haven't charged you with anything, don't contact them, don't answer any phone calls from them, don't return any answering machine messages.

2) Get anything illegal out of your home.

3) If they come to the door, take your keys, go outside the door, shut it and lock it behind you. Don't act all paranoid, do your best to act composed, be polite but firm.

4) If possible, if anyone lives with you, have them step outside with you and witness what happens. They are NOT to interact with the police on your behalf.

4) Say *nothing* except "I'm sorry I know you're just doing your jobs, but I will not answer any questions without my attorney present." Practice saying it out loud now.

5) Agree to NOTHING without it in writing and without an attorney present.

The police are allowed to lie to you in order to get a confession or information. They will try to scare the shit out of you. Just block it out, don't let them frighten you. You will not answer questions without your attorney, period. They will offer you things, they'll make it sound like if you just do X, then everything will be okay. They'll tell you that there's an easy way to do this, and a hard way. DO NOT LISTEN. Wait for an attorney.

Be interested to hear what happens if you don't mind posting again.
 
lacey k said:
You are lookin at a couple years? you prolly wont even get that. Get a lawyer, man up, and see what youre are dealin with, and then take the responsible choice that is fair for what you did. Im sorry that i seem to be one of the few people with a "stupid" sense of loyalty, honor, obligation or.....self respect even....but there just aint no reason to narc out on some shit like this. You aint lookin at life, 25-L, 15, 10, or even 5. A few years at the most ends up turnin into a 364 or it could even be less. still. Is it right to set up someone else, someone who is gonna get a lot more time than that, just becuz you decided at the last minute that you aint tryna play by the rules that you joined under no more, and shits too real now so lets take your ball and go home?

This aint a moral issue of whether or not dealers "deserve" to get narc'ed on. Dont put the blame on someone else. What you did is what you did. since you aint facing a life-changing, alter the entire course of the rest of your existence, kind of sentence you can have good behavior, get a job in there, study for some school, prisons are mad crowded, they aint tryna keep no one in there longer than they gotta. you can get thru that shit with a conscience intact. this aint like some "I got stranded on a desert island and had to eat my dog to survive"shit, its more like "i went camping and ran outta food on the last day so I ate my dog to survive when i coulda just went another day and shit woulda worked out." Desperate measures, in a un desperate time.

Im mad disappointed in every person here who encourages narcing at the drop of a fuckin hat, get out of jail free card, like you somehow outsmarted everybody else or somethin. Na, you just out-scumbagged, out-disloyal'ed, and out-pathetic'ed everyone.

Get a good lawyer, see your options and do your time if you end up with any time at all. Most likely they just tryna scare you, and they aint gonna protect your ass neither, just so you know that. they will use you chew you up and spit you out for your information, they dont respect you, they wont take care of you, they wont protect your lil extra curricular activities, they hate you just as much as the ones you narced on.

Me , havin dignity and self respect is a important thing. I couldnt sleep at night if i did some shit like that. What will be will be I guess. but believe me shit aint gonna be all peaches n roses if you do snitch, theres a whole nother set of bad consequences that comes along with that too.
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If it's his first felony conviction he has a lot to lose. If he's convicted he'll have a hard time getting meaningful employment, will have a hard time travelling outside the country, etc... It all depends on how much he values these things. But if he does turn on his supplier he's most likely going to have to relocate. It doesn't take long for someone to put two and two together. In my experience there's no loyalty in the drug game (not to say the same thing occurs everywhere). Everyone and everything has a price and when the balance tips the otherway those that benefit the most can and will sell you out if it benefits them. Maybe it's a cultural thing, I'm not American.
 
theodore - my friend and his dad (he was taught by his very abusive scary gang-member dad) had a 'business' cooking meth, selling various drugs and stealing cars and selling them on
this guy was brought up that if he ratted on his dad his dad wud, literally, kill him
his mum was a junkie - basically he didnt know right from wrong
now oneday he was the only one home and the police came round and busted his ass - they said they were sure other ppl were involved and if he ratted them out he wud hav a shorter sentence
he knew if he and his dad were both in prison (where a lot of members of his dads gang are) he wud b killed.....at sum stage anyway
so he didnt rat his dad out
i think that was really sad cos his dad taught him to do all that and cos of his familys values he didnt know right from wrong anyway really
wat kinda life will he hav - even after his (long) jail sentence?
do u think he did the right thing? he did it cos he had to, but if he had a choice, do u think he did the right thing? after all his dad taught him that that was the way to live
i think thats kinda fucked up
 
drug_wench said:
theodore - my friend and his dad (he was taught by his very abusive scary gang-member dad) had a 'business' cooking meth, selling various drugs and stealing cars and selling them on
this guy was brought up that if he ratted on his dad his dad wud, literally, kill him
his mum was a junkie - basically he didnt know right from wrong
now oneday he was the only one home and the police came round and busted his ass - they said they were sure other ppl were involved and if he ratted them out he wud hav a shorter sentence
he knew if he and his dad were both in prison (where a lot of members of his dads gang are) he wud b killed.....at sum stage anyway
so he didnt rat his dad out
i think that was really sad cos his dad taught him to do all that and cos of his familys values he didnt know right from wrong anyway really
wat kinda life will he hav - even after his (long) jail sentence?
do u think he did the right thing? he did it cos he had to, but if he had a choice, do u think he did the right thing? after all his dad taught him that that was the way to live
i think thats kinda fucked up
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He did what he felt was in his best interest, that's all anyone can do.
 
^i meant if hed had the choice (like his dad wasnt a crazy methhead who wud kill his own son) shud he hav ratted?
sorry im derailing here - just interested in wat theodore wud think, since this cunt is actually the guys flesh and blood but brought him up on the wrong side of the law so he doesnt know any better, and (i think) shud b held, to at least some degree, responsible for his actions
btw the bastards moved house and is still running his little business
 
That's one of the most fucked up stories I've ever heard. I've heard similar stories where parents just raise their kids wrong and it's terrible. One of the most real, and just touching, segment I ever saw on the show Cops was where they busted these two people carjacking. It turned out to be a in-out jail loser dad and his 16 year old son. The cops took in the dad and the kid was just screaming "DAD I LOVE YOU, TAKE ME IN INSTEAD, HE DIDN'T KNOW, dad I love you..." and the dad was just like "yea whatever you stupid kid shut the hell up" like he didn't care about his kid. Meanwhile all his kid knows is the crimelife and the only reason he's out there stealing cars and doing drugs is because he loves his dad so much and wants to be with him.

I think in the story you said it's just so fucked up there is no right thing. The right thing would that his dad should've gladly took the years for his son, and encouraged his son to narc, and should've done everything he could to make it seem his son was innocent and it was all him. Maybe, if he had any idea what was going on, the son should've narc'd on his dad and realized he needs to live life on his own and that his father was a scumbag for raising him like that.

Could you tell me if the kid liked his dad? I think that a lot of kids like that just get involved in crime because they love their dads so much, while their dad thinks of them as the same as any disposable junky.

And to lacey k, you can't exactly sleep at night if you can't get employment, are a felon, and in jail (or finished serving). Or maybe you're an insomniac like me, I can't sleep at all and there were actually times I was offered to narc to reduce my jail time and I kept my mouth shut. I know what you mean by keeping quiet, there are definitely little bitches out there who just mouth off first thing because they panic. But if you have a choice between jail and setting up a specific dealer, the choice is clear if you have something to live for.
 
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