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Ethnobotanicals [Salvia Subthread] Buccal (quid) / Sublingual / Oral Salvia

^^ thats why I use pubmed

Salvia tinctures can have a much less intense, longer lasting access to the same space. It goes very well with lsa's from hbwr (at least in my experience).
 
grapefruit / cimetidine both act on CYP2c3(i think) there's 2 main types of opiate metabolic enzymes - cyp2d6 which for analogy sake would be like an maoAi (more in the body or better yet deals with the actual chemical) and cyp2c3 is like an maoBi(more in the brain) basically keeps brains natural opiates after they're released from thier receptors from getting broken down
that's my understanding anyway, i could be way off
I seriosly doubt a 2D6 inhibitor(quinidine,cimetidine) would work but there's a decent possibility that a 2C3i (cimetidine,grapefruit) might work
 
I highly doubt either grapefruit juice or MAOI's will prevent the catabolism of saliva. I'm sure the Mazatecs would have discovered this pharmacological interaction already if it existed.
 
Oral Salvia

Greetings All,

I have a quick question regarding oral consumption of Salvia for anybody who has tried it. How does it compare to smoking? I always order high-quality 20x standerdized extracts and enjoy smoking it on an occasional basis. I love the fact that one gram of material can last me for months. How much larger of a dose (approx.) would be required for maximum effectiveness? I would assume, as with most substances, that the subjective effects are "less" with oral consupmtion, but is it far more subtle or more along the lines of the relationship between oral cannabis vs. smoked cannabis? Thanks for the help.

-bob
 
I've tried the oral tincture, and it was a complete fucking waste. £20 down the fucking drain :(

I'd stick to smoking it.
 
Tenchi said:
I've tried the oral tincture, and it was a complete fucking waste. £20 down the fucking drain :(.
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I tried the oral tincture and got a 1.25 hours level 4-5 trip. Seriously magical stuff. Just shows that different people can have vastly different experiences =D

I've stuck to the tincture - smoking it seems to give such a high octane, train-wreck speed, confusing dip into a world that really needs savoured over a much longer time span, IMO.

When I say savoured, I realise that it's a bit of a euphemism 8o

E

Edit: As F&B points out below, I meant subligually rather than oral :-)
 
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Technically it's sublingual/buccal route, not oral as swallowing any salvia preparation is a waste of time.

Agree that the tincture is much more usable though - the difference between both routes is akin to seeing a country by living there for a while vs. tavelling through it by train...
 
I've been chewing salvia recently. 30 to 40 or so leaves is a + for me, ++ after some familiarization with the stuff. 64 is a total mind fuck. I'd say that taking it orally is indeed comparable to smoking, depending on what you want. If you want visuals, its less concrete, a weak dissociative. The phantom sensations and the gravity are there though. If it turns sinister like it can, it can kill the ego all the same. I prefer this method not for the salvia space, which is weaker than even DXM for me, but because once it starts cutting psychedelic and interacting with the real world, I have a full hour at least to do whatever after it annihilates my ego. It takes some working with to coax nthe full effects out, but its worth the trip.
 
I've never tried it. A couple of my friends have and I have yet to hear of a successful experience. Most of what I've heard is just threshold visuals and the like.
 
im very interested in sublingual salvia ingestion some of the reprorts sound pretty neat.

call me hard headed or foolish but i actually think smoking extract while peaking on sublingually ingested salvia would be just radicall and probably very intense. you guys think it would dramatically potentaite the effects of the smoked extract.
 
I don't think I COULD smoke during the peak of an oral trip. I tried to chew more leaves, type and do other stuff and the tentacles and gravity sucked me back down for a while.
 
Insufflated Salvia?

It seems that for most people sublingual salvia results in a mild, or at best an intense-but-not-visionary, experience. For people who are looking for a more intense visionary experience than the tintures can provide (at least not economically), but want the time to reflect on and absorb the experience that smoking can't supply, would using powdered 100X as a snuff be a workable option (dosage guesses?)? If not, just how concentrated an extract would be needed to make a not-terribly-uncomfortable snuff? Anyone ever hear of pure salvinorin-A being insufflated? I know it's not water soluble, but if it can be absorbed through chewing the leaves is seems like a snuff might be viable too (as with water insoluble insufflated DMT freebase).
 
How long do you guys really want to be in salvia land?
Smoking is plenty of time for me to absorb enough of the sights.
Dam, 30 second in salvia land feels like 7 years! 8(
 
squerll said:
How long do you guys really want to be in salvia land?
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After 1.25 hours in there, I was really dissapointed when it wore off. Another hour would have been great. The disappointment was at leaving behind an experience that had become very comfortable, mystical and fascinating. Of course, I don't think I could have handled more of the 15 minute ego-destroying battle that confronted me twenty minutes into the journey 8o

But that's just something I'm going to have to work on =D

E
 
^^ It works better in a pipe or bong, higher the heat the better to release the salvinorin-a.

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Like eating marijuana on PB crackers, oral Salvia is suppose to last a few hours, but is less intense. I've never eaten weed, so I can't comment on th "body-high" that people report... If you had a 2 hour trip similar to one of smoking Salvia, you'd probably kill yourself or be totally insane by the time it ended.
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Speak for yerself, Bwhuuhahahahaha!
 
^I hve heard that salvinorin-a actually burns at a lower temperature then paper- but I do think a bong is the best way to smoke it, massively deep inhalations whereby the salvia has HEAPS of lung-surface area to enter the brain via. At least it works for me; that or a bucket-bong. Either way never fails to break open my head.

edit: but on a harm reduction note, using a bong excessively isn't a good idea ;)
 
sublingual 10x salvia dose?

So I got me some 10x salvia extract. What would a correct dose for sublingual use of this that wont be too strong, just a mild trippyness?

I tried searching, diddnt find anything.
 
I don't think that's a very effective way to use the extract, but I might be wrong. Doesn't seem many people have tried it... I don't see how you can take 20-30 leaves sublingually and trip but couldn't use an extract sublingually as well...
 
thats what I am thinking...I tried smoking it, and it was INTENSE, and diddnt last that long...

I want the mellower, but longer effect of sibling, so I am wondering if anyone hsa the dose.
 
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