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Ethnobotanicals [Salvia Subthread] Buccal (quid) / Sublingual / Oral Salvia

Oral Salvia Extract

I know that Salvia leaf has been long eaten/chewed on. Obviously with oral ingestion the trip is weaker and more prolonged. Do you think that eating 1g of 15x standardised extract instead of eating alot of leaf would make for a good experience or would it be better just to smoke it?
 
This has been covered before, but you can use an extract sublingually and get great effects out of it. Drinking it, on the other hand, would be wasteful.
 
I had some 20X salvia that I accidentally spilled water on while filling my bong to smoke it, of course I didn't want to wait for it to dry out or waste it so I dumped the half gram into lip and sucked/chewed on it ala chewing tobacco style. After about 10 minutes I got some slight effects, maybe just above baseline. I kept the "quid" in for the next half hour, and only had the weird salvia effects, sweating, etc. Overall it wasn't that worthwhile, not to mention the pretty bad taste.
 
I've never chewed, but salvorin can be extracted in a highly pure form with an acetone infusion, then vacuum distilling off the acetone. Take it subligually. It's as intense, & lasts a hell of alot longer
 
Another good option would be to make simple blotter with it for sublingual absorption. There are plenty of details on erowid on the process. It works very well, similar to a quid, but with a small ammount of material, and without the horrible taste!!
 
rebo said:
I've never chewed, but salvorin can be extracted in a highly pure form with an acetone infusion, then vacuum distilling off the acetone. Take it subligually. It's as intense, & lasts a hell of alot longer
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Would you want it to last a lot longer though? I mean, Salvia is fantastic but the experience for me is quite overwhelming, I'm quite grateful for arriving back to earth in a short amount of time

;)
 
^ True, but oraly salvia is supposedly quite a bit less intense than smoked salvia. Of course it depends on your dosage.
 
Like eating marijuana on PB crackers, oral Salvia is suppose to last a few hours, but is less intense. I've never eaten weed, so I can't comment on th "body-high" that people report... If you had a 2 hour trip similar to one of smoking Salvia, you'd probably kill yourself or be totally insane by the time it ended.
 
egor said:
Another good option would be to make simple blotter with it for sublingual absorption. There are plenty of details on erowid on the process. It works very well, similar to a quid, but with a small ammount of material, and without the horrible taste!!
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this never worked
it has been published but even the author admits it does not work.
oral uses ~40 times as much to threashold because absorption is too slow

salvinorin is a waxy crystalline molecule so it needs too much encouragement to get absorbed.

a slurry drink works (leander valdes reported that he was given this by maria sabina) but it was made from 40 leaves at least. One smoked is enough.

if you are stubborn and want to make blotters at least do it on cigarette paper so you can smoke them later. make sure you have at least 350 mics per piece

I use 20 mg (20,000mics) salvinorin per cigarette paper, and I cut it into 54 pieces for a smooth level 4 every time using a one hit glass chillum and regular lighter.
that is like a gram of 10x infused into one cigarette paper.

ocasionally I do put half of that in alcohol and stir madly and drink it for fun, but smoking it is better and you get to do it 40 times more often from the same source material.
 
Oral salvia with MAOI, longest salvia trip?

I know some people have experimented with salvia smoked in conjunction with harmala extract, but they never seem to do it very scientifically; its always in those ethnobotanical cocktails you see far to often on erowid involving every legalhigh know to man. I don’t know if salvia is broken down by MAO and was unable to find much information on its metabolism.

If one were to take a large (dry leaf) oral dose with a MAOI, could the effects be extended from seconds to minutes or even hours. I know people use tinctures to increase the duration of the effects; im wondering if a tincture and MAOI could completely change the nature of the drug. Has anyone experimented with such things? what is the longest salvia trip anyone here has experienced?
 
There's no amino groups in salvinorins, so I doubt it's MAO that takes of them. Probably some certain liver enzyme we've yet to find out.
 
You could try, I guess.

edit: it might be explained in this paper but I can't locate it anywhere:
The BBB Transport, Metabolism and Pharmacokinetics of Salvinorin A, Potent Hallucinogen
 
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egor said:
That will only have an effect if salvinorin is metabolised by the Cyp2d6 enzyme.
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yeah i know, just an idea, for me its a worthy question because salvia lasts so little time that i can never learn anything from it, its just a little mind blowing explosion then its over, if i could really explore salvia space i would be delighted

OFFTOPIC:if anybody browsing this thread gets a chance check out my maoi thread i think i found this error in a MAPS article about maoi and the role serotonin plays in psychedelics http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=299621&highlight=maoi+serotonin
 
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