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Quitting Methadone (that bastard)

HerbsQuit said:
Thank u so much this helps me a lot! I'm gonna not take those u said i don't need
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Good morning, at least it’s morning here. Just to be clear, you should follow your physicians prescribing instructions.

Some may help later on, but I don’t think that starting a SSRI during acute withdrawal is going to make you feel better and will likely make you feel worse especially in the very beginning.

Keep pushing!!! Keep your thoughts simple and always guide your thoughts into the present
 
Day 19
Woke up weak, shock, insomnia, unrest, blurry vision, wobbling, tremor, my brain was still burned a little due to duloxetine overdose.

I think i know why i had overdose. I was precribed that from another doctor, not my usual one. She crushed 30mg duloxetine delayed release capsule + 5mg Clobazam and mixed them into one capsule. Like wtf if i was 60+ i would have probably died on that day 18.

6:30am 30mg Codeine + 2.5mg Diazepam
8:20am extended release vit C
10am 5mg clobazam + 7.5mg Diazepam just to help with the shock
I ate lunch and passed out i forgot my noon dose.
Woke up at 2:45pm 20mg Codeine
6pm 30mg Codeine
9pm vitd3, 2 magnesium glycinate, fish oil
10:20pm 20mg codeine+ paracetamol + clorpheniramine (less sedating antihistamine than benadryl)
Benadryl makes me sleep better but i need to rotate so i don't become dependent on it.

Also with clorpheniramine i wake up less drowsy than with benadryl.

Today day 20 i shall see if i should take same total day dose as yesterday to stabilize or further reduce my Codeine with help from Diazepam, Clobazam, Trihexyphenidyl at lowest dose 1/4 or 1/2 of 2mg.

My doctor gives me freedom to reduce when i can and take the benzos and trihexyphenidyl as i need. He trusts me.

I have like so many benzos, opiate, hexymer, clonidine in my medicine cabinet sometimes when i open it i can't resist not to laugh coz i feel like the frickin neighborhood drug dealer. 🤣🤣🤣🤣

But that's also proof i haven't been abusing them otherwise they all would be gone already by now.
 
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Hey what part of the world do you live in where drs crush medication together.

Edit and hey I’m kinda worried about you and how your going about it with these meds. Consider your plan and sharing if your regularly prescribed these or did you acquire them specifically for this detox.

Hunger comes back and many other beautiful desires and functions!!!
Give us an update when you find a minute.
 
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neversickanymore said:
Hey what part of the world do you live in where drs crush medication together.

Edit and hey I’m kinda worried about you and how your going about it with these meds. Consider your plan and sharing if your regularly prescribed these or did you acquire them specifically for this detox.

Hunger comes back and many other beautiful desires and functions!!!
Give us an update when you find a minute.
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I am currently living in the ass of the world "nel culo del mondo" where doctors prescribe concotions, crushing pharmaceutical medicines into one capsule.

My usual psychiatrist told me to try and go to an "addiction specialist" doctor for this detox process. So i went. She gave me duloxetine 30mg+5mg clobazam and olanzapine 5mg+0.5mg trihexyphenidyl both crushed and mixed into one capsule each. She called it her concoctions.

Luckily i didn't try the olanzapine+hexymer crushed capsule.

I was already skeptical when i saw she gives intruction in the prescription to crush these meds.

They do crush also codeine, for example the 50mg i got was crushed and put into one capsule. But that i can understand. So it can be absorbed fast 100% and stop wd as fast as possible.

What i wasn't aware of was that duloxetine is a delayed release capsule and is NOT SUPPOSED TO BE CRUSHED. But i'm no doctor yet the doc have zero idea. It's shocking.

My psychiatrist however never give me crushed meds. Only in its original form. Now my codeine is in tablet form.

Day 20
Yesterday was also kinda hell on earth. I pushed my body too far, trying to reduce again after the OD.
I managed to take just 20mg Codeine 4x a day but with help whole day with passion flower extract, 1 pill TRUE CALM bottle, 15mg Valium, 2 magnesium glycinate, 1 zinc, 1 vitd3, tylenol, benadryl, vit C.

Note to self: do not take passion flower with 5mg valium together, it strengthen both. Felt like taking 10-15mg Valium.

Also 2mg of hexymer felt like i am on cocaine. I don't like that.

At this point at such low dose benadryl+20mg codeine for sleep doesnt help much. I had pain on both shoulders, woke up at 1:45am and took 10mg Valium then sleep until 6:30

Day 21
I woke up at 6:30 immediately took 20mg Codeine. I was very upset and broke down crying because i feel so exhausted after 21 days of battle and the OD took a lot of my strength.
I took 10mg Clobazam and return to bed.
Had strange vivid dream i thought it was real but no.

I'm gonna stay at 20mg today i can't push myself anymore. Not yet. And i'm gonna start planning to get supplements that can detox my liver.
 
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Day 22
I took 20mg Codeine, 5mg Clobazam and Tylenol in morning
Noon 20mg Codeine
5:30pm i tried reducing to 15mg+5mg clobazam
9pm i took 15mg Codeine+ 1 clonidine

It was hell on earth. I couldn't sleep, keep on waking up every 1-2 hours with severe pain. I took 10mg clobazam, didn't help at all. I took 5mg diazepam. Slept 1 hour wake up again with severe agony of pain, took 5mg diazepam, woke up at 4:30 with severe pain again.

Day 23
4:30am i took 20mg Codeine. But after i took it i had the craziest idea, also because i was desperate and in so much pain, i remember i havent been using the tramadol at all. Maybe i can use that for 4 days to kick off the Codeine.

I made a mistake taking Codeine for far too long exceeding 2 weeks. Below 20mg the pain is unbearable.

So i took 50mg Tramadol+ 0.25mg Xanax and passed out until 12 noon.

I broke crying again because it seems to me the wd will never end...

Tomorrow is my next doc appointment. I will tell him my plan to use tramadol just for 4 days to kick off codeine, or if he has better analgesic that is not opioid.

Tramadol is a weaker opioid than codeine. At 20mg Codeine the 50mg tramadol covers the pain just fine so far.
 
Sending love ❤️ You can’t detox opiates with opiates.

By constantly trying to detox an opiate with an opiate your unfortunately just going to prolong your time in the tunnel.

I would consider jumping opiate free at this point and just saying fuck it come hell or high water here it goes.

Or what about sub management for a little while. Stabilize for a bit, take a min and take stock.

If you decide to drop those you can come up with a strong recovery plan before you jump

All us good people always focus on the physical detox as it’s fucking nasty.. but in the end it often turns out to be the easy part.

Your doing amazing and are putting up a hell of a fight!!

The trick to opiate detox is to completely quit agonizing the receptors and let them reset. This makes us feel awful temporarily!! When we stimulate those receptors they don’t reset and we can find ourselves sick perpetually in an unachievable attempt to avoid being sick.

Thoughts?
 
3 days ago my doc appointment: At first my doc insisted that TRAMADOL HAS NO WD. I was like wtf. Is he fuckin idiot or somethin.
Then after 3 days of taking just tramadol i have insomnia, diarrhea, nausea, ants crawling on my skin, excess energy and anxiety. I even opened the capsule and throw half and still insomnia. So i went back to the doc and complained that he prolonged my sufferings unnecessarily. When it should have been over by day 15-20max.

I had to fuckin explain it to him the science of withdrawal from opiate, that is excessive firing of neurotransmitters, especially norepinephrine. So giving an opioid analgesic SNRI like tramadol is like fuckin idiot, and no doctor in other countries gives opiate to quit opiate.

So he FINALLY gave me gabapentin.
I went to pharmacy and asked for 3 different doses since now my brain is like a fuckin baby (e.g i can't even open my eyes on 50mg codeine. When i was on MTD Codeine is like for cockroach.). I told the pharmacist i will try on lowest dose first for a day or two and see how it feels

I got 100mg gabapentin
75mg pregabalin
150mg pregabalin

I dunno which one should i try first.
 
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Alright HQ.. you have got a good line up. But you know that you have the tunnel in front of you.. hard core.. freedoms on the other side!!!!

So what about the plan for after the tunnel.. got a second to sketch that out?

The tunnel sucks, but you can do this!! We all have to. Draw the line in the sand. Push through.. remember that if you use opiates at all during the acutes your magically transported back to that line. If you return to active use after you wander out of hell, you will be back at that line.

Safety safety.. in no time your tolerance will be jack shit so if you slip.. take it fucking easy, like a beginner!!, as the most likely time of od is just after detox and relapses in recovery.

'You will get to the prize if you just keep moving forward. I know you have been hella pushing:gun:
 
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neversickanymore said:
Alright HQ.. you have got a good line up. But you know that you have the tunnel in front of you.. hard core.. freedoms on the other side!!!!

So what about the plan for after the tunnel.. got a second to sketch that out?

The tunnel sucks, but you can do this!! We all have to. Draw the line in the sand. Push through.. remember that if you use opiates at all during the acutes your magically transported back to that line. If you return to active use after you wander out of hell, you will be back at that line.

Safety safety.. in no time your tolerance will be jack shit so if you slip.. take it fucking easy, like a beginner!!, as the most likely time of od is just after detox and relapses in recovery.

'You will get to the prize if you just keep moving forward. I know you have been hella pushing:gun:
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I won't ever relapse on H again. I'd rather die. The psychological trauma from using that shit still haunts me very clearly.

I have no idea what i should do after i finish this shit detox. I got no plan for it.

I read the article u sent me but there isn't an NA group, 12 steps group or whatever strong clean community at all here in the ass of the world unlike in US.

There used to be an "NA group" a long time ago but basically just a lie. A front to fool families and then they gather at the back to shoot drugs. I quit that stupid NA meeting and never came back. Like wtf.
 
HerbsQuit said:
I won't ever relapse on H again. I'd rather die. The psychological trauma from using that shit still haunts me very clearly.

I have no idea what i should do after i finish this shit detox. I got no plan for it.

I read the article u sent me but there isn't an NA group, 12 steps group or whatever strong clean community at all here in the ass of the world unlike in US.

There used to be an "NA group" a long time ago but basically just a lie. A front to fool families and then they gather at the back to shoot drugs. I quit that stupid NA meeting and never came back. Like wtf.
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What about online support.. where are you at? or pm me and I can try and help you track support down.
 
Day 26
I took tramadol in morning and 0.25mg xanax just to go to the hospital to complain about my prolonged suffering.

Noon 75mg pregabalin. Side effect: high, relaxed, cant stop laughing at youtube videos. I was watching Prince Harry and somehow it's just so funny.

Hey, at least i'm a good drunk 🤣, i only laugh a lot.

Night: i thought i will try 150mg pregabalin tonight to get a good night sleep since i haven't had a good sleep for 3 days.

First hour after the pregabalin reached its peak, no muscle pain at all. The side effects is weird: no high, just calm but emotionless like psychopath. Then the electrocution started.

I couldnt sleep at all due to electrocution that hurts my arms and my legs jerking off by themselves. So i tried to counter with 2mg trihexyphenidyl, paracetamol that contain sleeping antihistamine, 10mg valium.

The pain stopped but i was still wide awake.

Also these past 2 days i can't stop sneezing like i got the flu. I hope it's not covid. Fuck.

Day 27 (today)
I woke up after 3hrs of sleep. Drowsy as fuccck, weak as hell, diarrhea.

But....

I waited and waited and waited for my morning withdrawal to come but it hasn't come yet until now. I woke up at around 5am and now is 9am still no withdrawal. 🤨

So i took that chance by taking high doses of vitamin C, some vitamin E, liver detox, then i wait 30mins and took activated charcoal.

My vision is still blurry from lyrica side effects but at least no withdrawal. I'll see what happens later.

My wd keeps on shifting times. When i was on MTD detox, it's always worse in morning.

Then worse around noon.

Now worse at night when i wanna fuckin sleep. Giving me insomnia.
 
Dy 27
A messy day indeed. 😂
The whole day i tried pregabalin only, best to suvive without opioid. I had no wdw whatsoever since the time i woke up until noon. Then i feel my brain kinda burning, with tingling sensation and goosebumps on my body. First I took 75mg pregabalin at noon after lunch. Second time i took 150mg at night But...
Unlike the very fist time, when i tried it the second and third time it doesnt give high like was drunk, just some blurry vision.

Luckily since i been keeping a journal, i can return to previous page and voila, i made the connection It is due to side effect of Pregabalin: drunk, burning on head area, neck.
Everytime i take pregabalin, the analgesic effect last just 1-2 hours. After that just nothing.
So i started to question: "HUH!? WTF if it's like that what use of it for me?!?
For anxety i got tons of benzos. At least my panic attack just comes like twice three x a year.
The horror about methadone in comparison to pregabalin are these:
MTD
1. Sackled to clinic. May even have bad withdwal forever every morning.
2. It's OK for longterm use.
3. It's way cheaper but 5x more potent than morphine. This is meeeh yeaa i kinda missed it. It's like i was The Witcher with tits who has analgesic superpower when i drink the potion. But now i am like....a woman with baby as brain super sensitive to meds....and pain....
4. I hate that syrupy mtd. Why just coz one or two idiots want to inject methadone we all then are forced to drink sugar everyday. They should change the rule that only naughty patients got syrup. And no mtd syrup for long term given patients.

The Horror of Pregabalin (Lyrica)
Day 1 i took 75mg i was relaxed, smile laugh a lot. Coz i was high. The clonidine was just $1-2 per stripe. Pregabalin $8-9 perstripe.
Night time took next dose (higher) 15Omg. After one hour it reaches its peak then turned into this monster who loves torturing me for 2 hours non stop. Afer the electrocution started it also cause my muscles and joints so painful. But everyday different. One day on my back, one day on my leg, just the left leg, one day on my shoulders. The damn headache can't really make up his mind either. Moving around from front right, front left, temple, top of head.🤨
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HerbsQuit said:
Dy 27
A messy day indeed. 😂
The whole day i tried my best to suvive without opioid. I had no wd whatsoever since i woke up till noon when i feel my brain kinda burning, with tingling sensation and goosebumps.. I took 75mg pregabalin at noon after lunch. But...
Unlike the very fist time i tried it the second and third times it doesnt give high like i was drunk, just some blurry vision.
The horror about methadone, pregabalin (have t tried it up sondY.is these:
1. Sackled yo clinic. May even bad withdwal forever . dead..


Morning i woke up i tayght myxelf to stay calm bu self hi
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HerbsQuit said:
Dy 27
A messy day indeed. 😂
The whole day i tried my best to suvive without opioid. I had no wd whatsoever since i woke up till noon when i feel my brain kinda burning, with tingling sensation and goosebumps.. I took 75mg pregabalin at noon after lunch. But...
Unlike the very fist time i tried it the second and third times it doesnt give high like i was drunk, just some blurry vision.
The horror about methadone, pregabalin (have t tried it up sondY.is these:
1. Sackled yo clinic. May even bad withdwal forever . dead..


Morning i woke up i tayght myxelf to stay calm bu self hi
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I feel the same when trying to survive a day without opioids.The desperation is insane even if im not having wds anymore. I have accepted the fact that i will suffer, just like Skorpio told me in here, and that idea helped me alot. Still, i get the urge to buy dope because methadone is just not doing it for me and i have not been able to get my cbd gummies. I take pregabalin and i dont see any of the side effects people talk about yet. It just helps with anxiety. Anyway, i hope it gets better for you the next day, everyday.
 
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strangeaeon said:
Hey, i just wanted everyone who's having kidney issues to know that cutting sugary drinks from your diet, and adding alot of spring water, chlorella (in spanish it's clorofila, so idk if i said that right, maybe it's chlorophylla) and tea from a plant called moringa, very cheap, is in most cases what you need to clean your kidneys if you are taking too many meds, or if your heroin is cut with any kind of milk powder or lactose, you will most likely need to do that, but it's quite simple and you will feel great
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u do H?
 
HerbsQuit said:
Insomnia is the main complaint for patients *oh no no no it'sokay. How much u neddz
,,with a litte brain.
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Edit: wtf my phone types by itself? 😆
I swear i didn't write that. What i wrote is
Insomnia is the main complaint and diarrhea.
Sorry
 
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