Please compare Ketamine vs. Heroin

[fastandbulbous]

Salvia has much more emotional effects compared with ketamine. Whereas with salvia you can get really frightened and that fear can feed upon itself, with ketamine any moments of panic are generally transitory. As I mentioned, if you're the sort of person who strives for control in situations, ketamine can become a series of frustrating/frightening moments as you struggle to assert control over the experience, but each one is an 'independant' event; with salvia (as with classic 5HT psychedelics) it's possible for the fear to compound itself until you're shitting yourself with 'the fear'.

Another difference is that salvia tends to produce gross distortions of body image, which can accentuate fear whereas with ketamine, the body just sort of dissolves out from under you (rather than get distorted into weird body images). I've had doses that weren't full k-hole doses where all I'm aware of is my mouth and throat, when I swallow - other than that, I'm just not noticing any of the rest of my body

 

[Alchemist]

fastandfab i've found Ketamine to be one of the easiest drugs to control.....I know it comes down to different trips for everyone, but when I go in a Khole, I have at times complete control over the trip...where it takes me, what i see....etc......
I believe the term is meta-programming, and i never understood what it was all about until I really started experimenting with high doses of Ketamine. I've been able to create my trip as i go along many times. I think it takes some time and experience with K to get a firm grasp on what you get out of it.

 

[habilis]

Is K the shit they tranq lions and elephants with and tag their ears? I wonder ehat those animals have going through their minds when they are happily prancing through the canopy and feel a sharp pinch intheir leg, then suddenly, they fall to the ground in an animal k-hole and have some burly dust-covered knee on their neck and then get a tag pierced through the thick flesh of their ear, and then these creatures go away, the poor thing gets up and is like "what the fuck?".

 

[CreativeRandom]

fastandfab i've found Ketamine to be one of the easiest drugs to control.....I know it comes down to different trips for everyone, but when I go in a Khole, I have at times complete control over the trip...where it takes me, what i see....etc......

Completely forgot about that aspect. I agree completely. It's weird, you can kind of control which ways the colors on the walls move, how things twist and turn, what you hear sort of thing.

 

[fastandbulbous]

Is K the shit they tranq lions and elephants with and tag their ears?

Depends on the species. For large animals like rhinos (& poss elephants), they use etorphine - a very potent opiate - that's easily reversed with cyronorphine after they've finished doing whatever's needed. Some species though, like members of the cat (eg lions etc) & horse (eg zebra) family don't react well to opiates - can cause paradoxical excitement - so they get darted with ketamine or tiletamine.

As to what they feel, it's chance to be very variable, just like humans. We've got 4 cats, all of whom have had ketamine anaesthesia for minor proceedures. While recovering, 2 of them looked quite distressed, but the other 2 seemed to enjoy the fucked up state (esp the one who also steals skunk if you don't watch him carefully!)

 

[ItchySkratchy]

how long does an iv dose last?

not long AT ALL......10 min. like kharma said.....I tried it a few times, but I prefer IM.......much longer duration......