Please compare Ketamine vs. Heroin

[CreativeRandom]

K is probably one of my least favorite drugs. I've IV'd high doses twice. It feels kind of like heroin, only something is missing and you just want to be on heroin instead. It felt like doing heroin gone wrong or something.

The duration is extremely short as well. IV coke lasts alot longer than the K did. Within 5 minutes I was fine.

I posted a trip report a while back on it.

 

[mikeylikesit]

is there a comparrison between K and shrooms....?
When you guys say khole is that ever a bad thing?
Down in mexico they always offered it for sale at all the vet clinics... it was on the shelf and cheap but that way aout 5 years ago and and the time I didnt' really know what it was for..
Someone offered me perc's as well down there and I said no because I didn't know what they were for!!!!! oops...
then I bought a pipe from a local market, and 2 minutes 2-3 different dealers asked me if I wanted something to fill it...(weed) wouldn't sell me less than 1/2 oz for some reason so I got nervous thinking there was something odd about that.. and said just give me a couple grams..and I'll pay the same $100 for it.... they didn't want to only sell me small ammounts, thought there was something up with that...
anyway ofcourse this has nothing to do with what we' were talking about here.... just rambling on I guess...

finally got he 2-3 grams out of them for $60 smoked it and felt almost nothing.....

 

[BLeeK]

Yeah I would NEVER IM ketamine without music......I think that would really alter the Khole altogether........I love both Heroin and Ketamine, and like they said above its impossible to compare....but since your thinking of trying it......cook up a nice shot of heroin, and put about 20bd's of K in the rig and you'll be feeling fuckin great.......

But yeah K is definitely a strong drug, and when it takes you to K world, theres no turning back......and everytime you khole again after that, you'll instantly remember the alter K world......at least for me its like that.......a Khole is like an alternate reality......my trips are always sooo real that it seems like there is a K world there all the time if that makes any sense....

just pray the phone doesnt ring!!!

 

[dm3]

I tend to avoid most music with lyrics with ketamine as language sort of grounds you (unless it's stuff like Massive Attack where it's difficult to make out the lyrics at the best of times!)

yeah definately agree about the lyrics. are you familiar with eskimo by the residents? no lyrics, just super weirdness the whole way through and there is like a theme throughout the cd. really fun to listen to on nitrous, like the auditory stuff from the nitrous mixes with the music and you can't tell what is the drug and what you're listening to! minimal music like terry riley is pretty good k music too. i wish i knew more classical

 

[Fried Man]

if you want to get a sample of ketamine, do dxm.....dxm pretty much feels like ketamine, except longer and much dirtier.

i myself am a dope head, ketamine is kinda the psychedelic opiate, so i love both drugs.

If I had to pick one, i'd go with H, although I can get K far more easily.

They are vaguely similar, but not really. They are both a nice escape, H is just way more rewarding and euphoric. Ketamine is kinda just something to do. I love K and will go out of my way to get it, but heroin blows it out of the water.

I just think if you are a dopehead, you will find H superior, but K will always be a fun drug to do.

K and opiates combine really well, that's the combination to do!!!!

ketamine is perhaps the best enhancer of psychedelics (mdma, lsd, mushrooms, rc's.) That's ketamine's real potential!!!!!!!!!!

 

[ItchySkratchy]

Glad this thread is being kept alive, as I have recently (as you can tell by my posts from last night) rediscovered my long-lost love for IM ketamine....

as far as music?? I feel like if you are in the right state of mind (and in a deep enough hole), the music (or lyrics) seem like they're talking DIRECTLY to you........also, when watching TV, you feel like whatever is happening is catering specifically to your K experience........

I like K in the sense that you could be locked ina closet ona K hole, and still find some way to make it a meaningful experience......

does that make sense??? (to people who have experienced deep holes??)

 

[ItchySkratchy]

also what is best to do when on k? lie down? sit? obviously not run around cause i dont think youll be doing much in a k hole but is standing feasable?

sorry, guess I shoulda answered this in my prev. post....

I personally like to make an "experience "out of it, rather than try to function in society while under the influence of ketamine (which is quite a task I must say, and definitely not fun....)

usually I'll put on a good chill CD, IM myself, and just lay down and relax........let te ket take me wherever it wants to......It's cool too, because you can tell when the "hole" is over, and it's time to get up and move on w/your day......kinda like a mini-psychadelic-vacation IMO.......

 

[tramagesty]

how much more efficeint is IM'ing K powder as opposed to simply snorting it?
What are the risks of IMing it?
I just recently discovered what I consider a relatively cheap, and very pure and available source, but have just been snorting. (it kinda burns). How much more would I be able to make of it my IMing it?

 

[CreativeRandom]

dxm pretty much feels like ketamine, except longer and much dirtier.

I actually found ketamine to be alot dirtier. Come to think of it retrospectively, DXM was alot more enjoyable. However, DXM loses it's magic significantly after the first time, so by the third time it was almost as if DXM was not psychoactive.

i know theyre the same class but why dont you say pcp and k are the same?

Have you done PCP and K? If anyone has, can they give insight?

I'm also interested about IV PCP experiences, but that is a bit off topic.

Are Meth and non meth ampetamine similiar? I was under the impression the highs were very similiar. Heroin and Morphine are similiar, though they are pretty much the same drug. But Heroin and Oxycodone are sure similiar.

I'd suggest lying down or sitting on K though. I thought it was more similiar to duster than anything.

 

[ItchySkratchy]

^^^Interesting question, as I have never messed with shooting the alredy-cooked powder...

When I say IM, I mean straight from the vial it was manufactured in, before it has been cooked up.....

I have often wondered if dissolving the powder in water and shooting that (either IM or IV) would be much different than just shooting the liquid???

anyone have exp. w/this?????


(good question man!!!!)

 

[ItchySkratchy]

I actually found ketamine to be alot dirtier. Come to think of it retrospectively, DXM was alot more enjoyable. However, DXM loses it's magic significantly after the first time, so by the third time it was almost as if DXM was not psychoactive.



Have you done PCP and K? If anyone has, can they give insight?

they both have lingering "drugged-out" effects, which can be slightly unpleasant after high doses (cloudy head, can't think straight, etc....)

---I have done PCP and K at the same time.....They basically just potentiate each other in my expetrience, and get you REALLY FUCKED UP.........

 

[Fried Man]

B240C-----

Obviously ketamine and dxm are different drugs. same class though. In my opinioun and experiences, DXM, K, and PCP are all similar drugs with similar high's, which makes them "feel" very similar to me.

If one were to do PCP, they would know what to expect from dxm and K. If one were to only do Ketamine, then they would be prepared to do dxm and pcp......that's what im saying. They are not the same drugs, but very similiar.

Most people find that K is the better of the dissociatives. Some prefer dxm and others (like myself) occassionally love some dust. These types of drugs are all subjective



Back to heroin.......combine it with ket

And they all can produce profound insights

 

[dm3]

Have you done PCP and K? If anyone has, can they give insight?

The difference between them is greater than the difference between K and DXM, in my experience. PCP is really unpredictable. It can make you feel really speedy and stuff. They are a surprisingly fun combo (only did it once with pretty low doses though).

Are Meth and non meth ampetamine similiar?

In my experience they're pretty close if you match the doses up but there is only so high you can get with amps.

 

[lee harvey]

wow, thanks for all that great experienced info, just what I was looking for. WebMD doesn't exactly do it for me.

Part B. As most of you know, I don't do smack anymore, almost a month clean now, so I won't be mixing the 2. I have to seek non-opiod moderate recreation these days. Anyway, years ago I had to stop smoking weed cuz I got very fucking paranoid and eventually had a couple bad-ass cripling tranced-out panic attacks from it. Could K possibly evoke the same panic reception? And if so, do you recommend dosing with a benzo beforehand? Or would it affect the trip?

From what you guys have said about the k-hole, that sounds like a place I would love to be.

 

[GFunk02]

The saying K is "psychedelic heroin" is bullshit. The 2 are nothing alike. K usually feels cold, heartless and intriguing; heroin the opposite.

lee- I never get much fear in the K-hole.. even if i think i'm dying or my brain is getting hacked (happened the other nite). But I usually take a benzo before anyways to prevent excitotoxicity (which causes onley's lesions in rats).

But, someone I know got terrified after a rail of K. After it was over he talked of seeing dead people and thinking he was in hell. I don't get it, I just lay back and slip out of body. But I IM mine.. fuck sniffing that stuff.

 

[lee harvey]

^^ Well in that case I'll definately be taking a benzo before hand since excitotoxicity and "onley's lesions" doesn't sound like anything I need in my life right now.

20-30mg of valium usually gets me very relaxed. is that a good dose? or smaller? I also have some leftover Phenobarbital, would that be better? All prescription of course....

 

[Jamshyd]

Keep in mind that benzos, and definitely barbiturates, lessen the psychedelic effects of Ketamine. Though I do agree that they prevent that annoying hyperexcitability that happens after a dose of K (though I found this goes away with tolerance).

I would love to know how a low-dose barbitaurate feels like in combination with K...

As for combining H and K, this is one of my favourite combos. They synnergize quite well. Be very careful with it though, as you are now really pushing your luck on being "shut down" before taking care of the needle.

 

[GFunk02]

I usually just take a small, 2.5-5mg dose about 20 minutes before the K, so it doesnt fully kick in until the intense experience is over and I have that stimulating after-buzz.

Jamshyd, if you mean taking care of the needle after an IM injection, i don't think that will be a problem. It takes up to 10 minutes for me from injection to out of body.

I've puked pretty bad from having an opiate in my system then doing K. I don't recommend the combo at all.

 

[newskin]

I have often wondered if dissolving the powder in water and shooting that (either IM or IV) would be much different than just shooting the liquid???

anyone have exp. w/this?????

You really need a fully sterile solution to do anything intramuscularly. The risk of abscesses and other problems is way higher through this route than intravenously.

Assuming it's uncut, banging powdered K dissolved in sterile water should produce the same effects as doing it sucked straight out of the vile. From what I know though, powdered K is rarely pure. An important thing to remember is that people selling powdered K might be assuming their customers are just going to snort it. So the dealer could unknowingly (or knowingly for that matter) cut it with a non-active adulterant which is not safe to IV or IM. It's not like heroin dealers, who understands that 99% of their customers will be shooting up their product.

 

[CreativeRandom]

Do you think the heroin dealers stop to make sure that their cuts are okay for IV?