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Please compare Ketamine vs. Heroin

Wait, wait. I don't mean to derail the thread but are you guys talking about Ayn Rand?! You're kidding, right? Her philosophy is a joke, best exemplified by the fact that no respectable philosophy department has professors who are "Objectivists". Her philosophy is self negating, she denies universals, but then turns around and talks about rights.

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Expect a private message paradoxcycle. I already derailed the whole Drug Culture forum, don't want to start too much heat here off topic.
 
Is K produced clandestinly or mainly pharmaceutally obtained? What/where are it's origins? It's strange I can easily obtain a galaxy of just about anything except K.
 
lee harvey said:
Is K produced clandestinly or mainly pharmaceutally obtained? What/where are it's origins? It's strange I can easily obtain a galaxy of just about anything except K.
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Its pretty hard to synthesize as far as I know, so almost all the K going around is stolen from legit sources.

Try Gay clubs :) (Not being sarcastic or anything)

(and mods feel free to edit if this is too much info).
 
I don't wanna derail this thread but that reminds of the first time I wanted to try poppers, I could only find them on gay websites. If you wanna know why gay men like poppers so much I heard it's because it loosens up the a-hole.... oh man.
 
lee harvey said:
^^ why, does it enhance sexual arousal or something?
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The gay club scene has a tendency to be on the cutting edge of drug culture. Ecstacy was part of the gay club culture before the ravers got a hold of it.
 
I would agree with newskin - gay people certainly seem to be more likey to use drugs than straight people.

I have yet to find out why Ketamine in particular is much more accessable to gay people, and may very well turn it into a private research project, being a gay sociology student myself ;). It is easier to explain why Meth or poppers are more popular with gay people. But I have yet to figure out Ketamine. I do have a few theories, but nothing conclusive.

You are correct about nitrates, btw.

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I think a lot of this just has to do with how drug markets and networks get built and is sort of random. Why is PCP easier to get in the ghetto and LSD easier to get at concerts?
 
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Yes. And in the same world Karl Marx is great at writing and philosophy.

Sorry, couldn't help myself!

K is usually jacked from veternaries, by people who work there (or bust in) and from those few who go over the border. I don't think K is brought over the border like heroin, meth, or weed is, but a few people who are particularly interested in the substance go over. Best bet is either a roadtrip or just find someone who can get into a vet shop. One of those random, inconsistently sourced substances.
 
i've IV'd ketamine many times and never had a problem getting the needle out in time although I can definitely see it being VERY possible.
I've also IM'd and IV'd ketamine that was in crystalized form, and remixed it into water. I only did so with my own personal K, and had no cut obviously. I didnt run into any problems with it.
Ketamine and Herion in the same rig is one of the most amazingly wonderful combos there is, but even better is to rig up a nice speedball, and give it a nice dose of K and it is absolutely Insane!!!! Its the best drug combo i've ever had personally, and I will swear by it forever!!!

As for snorting ketamine......to get a true Khole experience you would need to snort a shitload IMO.....i think its a waste to use ketamine without injecting. Most people get the wrong picture of what ketamine is when they try sniffing a line of it and getting the dizzy head feeling......Once you pass the Khole barrier, it takes on such a completely different feeling, that it is like a completely different drug altogether.

....but yeah a speedball with ketamine is the way to go....not sure how safe that is, but its about as close as you can come to having a "perfect" drug
 
quick question; does bad bruising occur from iving k? I've dne a lot of smack in m veins and gotten bad bruising and purple blotches frm it. Does K do the same thing or am I just a shitty nurse?
 
Jamshyd, I know glutamate and GABA are 2 different NTs, but I understand they both are very similar and have many parallels. Am I wrong?

Anywas lee harvey, read Ketamine by Karl Jansen, its a really good and interesting read.

Thats where I thought he said benzos *might* not offer protection against ketamine, or the other way around..
 
Ketamine isn't a controlled drug in the UK (yet!), so it's not that uncommon, but I find it tends to turn up in cycles (something to do with the way diverted ketamine turns up in a place), probably to do with how it's not an offence under the Misuse of Drugs Act to import it (again, parliament seems to be getting rather interested in the degree of ketamine use with an eye on legislation).

If the market was profitable enough, you'd get clandestinely manufactured ketamine turning up (bit like LSD in the 60's before any serious legislation occurred) as it's not that difficult a synthesis, but at the moment all the people involved in such things will be manufacturing PCP due to it's increased potency - about 10x that of ketamine - and established acceptance/market meaning there's more profit in it (today's PCP manufacturers aren't quite as idealistic about it being a 'sacrement').

I though that just about everybody I know who liked opiates would like ketamine, but at least one friend who had a friendly relationship with opiates said that the didn't like it due to its air of confusion, both physically and mentally. I suppose you do get that detachment from the reality of everyday mechanics & stresses of life, it's just that you don't seem to be able to identify the reality that you're escaping from! Whereas heroin is a totally effortless experience requiring almost no input from you, ketamine tends to have moments of really exercising the brain where you try to fit everything around you to your 'normal' model of reality. It takes a while of desparate floundering, mentally screaming,"What the fuck is going on here?" until your brain gives up and the thought that it's ketamine can now get to the shards left of your conciousness that are left. It's accompianied by a low sort of hum in those moments, so it's not quite the 'couldn't give a bugger' relaxed state of heroin/opiates.

It's a very relaxing experience if you just ignore most of the chaos that comes with a fairly rapid shutdown of sensory input. It is something you become accustomed to and even look forward to after a while, as it means that you're on your way and your ego is about to fragment like a cartoon character beaks when they're shown as cold and hit. If you insist on trying to make sense out of it you can get quite a shock as nothing confirms to your usual internal model, no matter how hard you try. If you're a 'a place for everything & everything in its place' sort of person, the ketamine experience can get to be a real pain in the arse
 
"Whereas heroin is a totally effortless experience requiring almost no input from you, ketamine tends to have moments of really exercising the brain where you try to fit everything around you to your 'normal' model of reality. It takes a while of desparate floundering, mentally screaming,"What the fuck is going on here?" until your brain gives up and the thought that it's ketamine can now get to the shards left of your conciousness that are left. It's accompianied by a low sort of hum in those moments, so it's not quite the 'couldn't give a bugger' relaxed state of heroin/opiates."

Yes... thats all I have to say.
 
fastandbulbous said:
It's a very relaxing experience if you just ignore most of the chaos that comes with a fairly rapid shutdown of sensory input. It is something you become accustomed to and even look forward to after a while, as it means that you're on your way and your ego is about to fragment like a cartoon character beaks when they're shown as cold and hit. If you insist on trying to make sense out of it you can get quite a shock as nothing confirms to your usual internal model, no matter how hard you try. If you're a 'a place for everything & everything in its place' sort of person, the ketamine experience can get to be a real pain in the arse
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Thank you for that detailed description, I almost got high reading it. Now, I've smoked a bowl of 30x salvia and it destroyed me completely, shattered, lost in all space and time, all happiness or euphoric input destroyed, could the same thing happen with K? Or rather, I know K and Salvia have about the same lifespan but could that happen to me on K? Is Paranoia/Panic a regular occurance at k-hole dose levels?
 
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