When your talking about the k hole and you say how its like an alternate reality b/c the trips seem so real....how do you mean? When i'd do high dose dxm doses, with the lights off and lying on my bed, i'd fly through all these places and rooms which i had been in before in my life, i'd see every minor detail (though only outlined in a white and black and only the outline of the forms/shapes like in a square i would only see the outline to tell me it was a square in a white/grey/black colors for contrast, at times there would be other colours or i'd think there were), and i could be in one of the rooms of my own house, seeing and hearing my parent next door talk (once hear the exact things they were saying and i had no way since i had music on and they next day i though i hallucinated it but they told me what they talked about) and within a minute time i would be in a room of a house, across the atlantic ocean and some distance....and so one, like a spirit flying, other times i'd be in totaly new places, rooms, and worlds...is that sort of what k is like? Though i still don't know what you mean about alter reality when talking about K. I can relate to the alter reality feeling when doing shrooms, with shrooms it's exactly like Alchemist said '.......a Khole is like an alternate reality......my trips are always sooo real that it seems like there is a K world there all the time if that makes any sense....'. That's how i feel my shroom trips are, once you try shrooms for a couple times and you get the hang of the high, you feel like it's not a high, but a different thought process that creates the high, at it's literally such a thought influenced high, as opposed to opiates which like cocaine or speed are a DEFINITE/EXACT high with the same effects for everybody, if you know what i mean.