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Two days later I am certain that the symptoms of having a cold were perhaps amplifyed by the mescaline but not caused by it. I simply have a cold and I noticed it among with the effects. There are quite a few reports from dmt nexus of this dose range and non of them reported cold like symptoms.

Xorkoth, I had a discussion in the pure mescaline thread with Solipsis about what high sensitivity could mean and he had the interesting idea of taking the dose where you wouldn't take more or less. I still owe him an answer ;)

At least my thresholds are very low. About 20 mg of Mdma, 1 mg of 2C-B and below 15 mg of mescaline.

I will update this thread with the link to the 15 mg experience and my answer in the sensitivity when I have time to write it.
 
^What a bummer, I don't even know anyone irl who knows what mescaline is. It's the one I've wanted to try the most ever since I first started experimenting, and I've never seen it. I suppose I could try and do a cacti extract at some point, but I have very limited knowledge of chemistry.
 
Had 3-MeO-PCP, propylhexedrine and ethyl-hexedrone last night, plus alcohol and weed. Great combo honestly, felt really good the whole time. I did knock myself out with etizolam later on though. I was originally going to take some ALD-52 but didn't feel like it when the time came.

drseltsam said:
At least my thresholds are very low. About 20 mg of Mdma, 1 mg of 2C-B and below 15 mg of mescaline.

I will update this thread with the link to the 15 mg experience and my answer in the sensitivity when I have time to write it.
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Wow that's crazy, 20mg of 2C-B for me is just a light, nice feeling, no psychedelic at all. I have taken up to 35mg of 2C-B and never had a strong experience except when mixed with other psychedelics. Lucky you!

Cream Gravy? said:
^What a bummer, I don't even know anyone irl who knows what mescaline is. It's the one I've wanted to try the most ever since I first started experimenting, and I've never seen it. I suppose I could try and do a cacti extract at some point, but I have very limited knowledge of chemistry.
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Simple acid/base extractions are quite easy, just need to be able to follow directions, don't really need to know about chemistry.
 
swilow, this was extracted from Peruvian Torch, washed with dry acetone twice, once with dry IPA and one semi-failed attempt to recrystallize from acetone/IPA. The result was slightly off-white mescaline HCl. I would never buy synthetic mescaline on the black market. It makes very little sense to synthesize and the margin for the vendor is so low that I would suspect that it will be cut like hell.

Edit: I guess if you know what you are doing and buying shitty quality chemicals I would guess you could do the synthesis that Shulgin suggests relatively cheap. Given that a lab will skip the workups to increase "yield" I would guess you could do mescaline HCl for 10 Euro/g excluding cost of labor. I am assuming that they will skip the workup as the MDMA producers do the same.

Xorkoth, these are thresholds and only result in very short and mild experiences. I do not trip on 1 mg of 2C-B - it needs about 10 mg to get mild OEVs (things morphing when staring at them). I had a similar discussion with Solipsis in the pure mescaline thread but I am not sure if this topic is worth opening its own thread as there there are not many hard facts to discuss and effects are hard to compare. What do you think?

The 15 mg of mescaline HCl can be summarized as follow:
Last weekend I took a very small dose of 15 mg mescaline HCl on an empty stomach as an allergy test. I did not expect much and indeed the experience was not intense. There was a slight mood lift, some cool increase in skin sensitivity, and a slight simulation.
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Solipsis said:
If there is really promise then with RCs there tend to be people who push the limits to see what's there unless there are very good reasons not to... and even then some people just don't care.

So yeah, it would be strange to explore it and it begs to wonder what things like 2C-iP might do at higher dosage or other exotics that haven even really been sold... but I doubt that people would just not give it a shot. bk-2C-B also requires high enough doses and has been 'discovered' that I think we'd find out about mesc.
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Yeah you're probably right that for the most part, someone will give it a shot. For example, I remember a report somewhere where someone pushed plain old phenethylamine to ridiculous doses until it became active (and probably very dangerous).

2C-iP is one you sure don't see a lot of reports on. I reckon it's more to do with it being a little bit more expensive, rare, and obscure than anything specifically wrong with the substance. For myself, I decided not to bother with it because there are so many other 2C's that are well tested and rated already.
 
The 2C's are great to stock up on because their shelf life is probably very very long. I regret not stocking up on 2CT-2 and 2CT-7 when I had the chance. I thought the window would stay open a little longer than it did. It seems like the windows are closing on a few different psychedelics right now, apparently 5-meo-mipt is now all but gone. And the 6-subbed lysergamides :(
 
Yeah fortunately I got a bunch of 5-MeO-MiPT when it was there, I'm sad about the 6-sub lysergamides though. Gotta stock up on those too...
 
The thio compounds are intrinsically unstable. If I were to store them I would seal them airtight in the freezer at a really low temperature. I am not sure if it is a good idea to eat them several years later without running a chemical analysis on them.
 
The 2C-T-2 I have is quite old, from like 2005 I think, never kept in the fridge even, just in the dark at room temperature, and it's fine, no signs of degradation and still the same effects.
 
drseltsam said:
The thio compounds are intrinsically unstable. If I were to store them I would seal them airtight in the freezer at a really low temperature. I am not sure if it is a good idea to eat them several years later without running a chemical analysis on them.
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How do you know this? Source?

murple 2001 said:
Regarding the stability of these chemicals, in 2000, Shulgin re-examined the original discovery samples of 2C-T-7 and the closely related 2C-T-4, to make sure that the propyl and isopropyl groups, respectively, had not been compromised. These samples were at the time well into their second decade. Both samples were still white, and the spectra showed clean when checked by mass spectroscopy. When asked about the possibility of long term storage of 2C-T-2 and 2C-T-7, he said "I feel that the solids are stable with time." It is probably advisable to store the chemicals in air-tight, light-proof containers (such as amber glass vials with good caps) in a cool, dry location.
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Yeah it came as a shock to me when I heard it "in the news" today. It's still available in at least one place, but dwindling globally apparently. Grab it while you can if you need it.
 
Really sad to see so many chemicals gone! I loved 5-MeO-MiPT. I still have like 30 mgs left but that's too close to zero. I think it has very little chances of resurfacing, but oh well.

I don't like that they stopped the production of the 6-substituted lysergamides just because the LSD pro-drugs have a larger consumer base. I mean it makes complete sense in a Business logic, but makes me think that if 4-Aco-DMT, 1P-LSD, etc, somehow stay legal forever, we will end up with a pretty boring RC scene with only true "legal alternatives" availiable.
 
It's not just the consumer base, someone was saying they only get like 20% yields with the 6-sub lysergemides. I don't know what % yield they get with the 1-subs, but I'm guessing it's over 80% ?? (totally uninformed guess, I should probably not speculate). Its super sad, those 6-subs are so fascinating, and real quality, unique, material! But it's hard to blame them for not wanting to bleed money.
 
I think they should still make some if necessary at higher prices and smaller batches - also can the unreacted material not be recycled or are there many byproducts that would have to be purified on column?

Better than to 1P-ify ETH-LAD when it's unclear if there is any point to 1P-ing anything besides LSD to circumvent laws on that. I like novelty but there should be a point... no idea if it makes any sense regarding kinetics in the way that something like 4-AcO-DMT or other such esters might make sense, or stability and preservation at the very least (vs 4-HO trypts).

My guy asked a pretty heavy markup for acid in lower quantities but promised it would be better if I would get more. Not sure if it's affordable then, if not I should definitely get ETH-LAD but I should probably do that anyway [while I have the chance].

Who says 5-MeO-MiPT is gone? It seems pretty available in plenty of clueless RC vendor stores even? Are you saying those are leftovers?
 
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