I've never been so genuinely happy with myself and the path I'm on and 3-meo-pcp and bluelight's guidance are a big factor in that. I've been fixing lots of things that I've been putting off, making some moves money wise, hopefully paying off some credit cards and maybe eventually looking to move out on my own again within a year. My friends are amazing and my only regret is I can't see them more often due to distance. Looking forward to good weather so that camping and music festivals can be a thing again. Helping friends move next weekend and then going to see a Pink Floyd tribute band play their annual holiday spectacular and seeing a ton of friends there. Will have ald-52 and some 3-meo-pcp. Could things be better with my life? Surely. But I'm working on them now and life feels so good after dealing with depression for so long.
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Then I need to reach out for those clueless RC vendors ASAP 
5-MeO-MiPT has become rarer since last octobers ban in China, the same that made MXE disappear (Quite faster, which goes to show it's level of demand?).
Congrats Vediog in your fight against negativity
I've been feeling a lot calmer latter myself. I know the end of the year doesnt really mean anything at all but somehow the symbolic end of the cycle helped me force myself into some changes in my attitude. Feeling stronger again.
5-MeO-MiPT has become rarer since last octobers ban in China, the same that made MXE disappear (Quite faster, which goes to show it's level of demand?).
Congrats Vediog in your fight against negativity
I've been feeling a lot calmer latter myself. I know the end of the year doesnt really mean anything at all but somehow the symbolic end of the cycle helped me force myself into some changes in my attitude. Feeling stronger again.
Solipsis, thioesters can get oxidized as the C-S bound is not as strong as the C-O bound. The stability of the 2C-T-X is reduced compared to the non-sulfur containing 2Cs as the sulfur atom is too big to have its pi electrons interacting with the aromatic ring. I guess under good conditions you could store thioesters for quite some time but I would be careful.
In one of the "Ask the Shulgins" on Youtube Shlugin actually says that the thio compounds are not stable but I can not find it any more
In one of the "Ask the Shulgins" on Youtube Shlugin actually says that the thio compounds are not stable but I can not find it any more
Xorkoth
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I will say that I had a sample of DOT once, which I had in solution for liquid measurement. I tried one introductory dose at 3.5mg and didn't try it again.... some months later (maybe 6 month?), I wanted to try again and the sample had degraded, the solution had turned a dark brown and there was some weird shit floating in it, I had to throw it away. I would guess that in solution they could be much less stable.
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Most things tend to be less stable in solution than in powder. In aqueous form thing are much more reactive, they have more freedom to move around than in crystal form.
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I kept some 5-meo-mipt in a vodka or rum solution for about 6 months once, and was surprised to find that it didn't really seem to degrade at all.
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Hello everyone, I hope your new years have been off to a wonderful start. 
And that your holidays were very nice too. I've been very busy and away as of late so I have some catching up to do....
It's sad to hear about certain substances disappearing from the market. For the record, I also checked some sources for 5-MeO-MiPT when I saw this and it still seems to be around... but I cannot say how long that will remain true. My only remaining source for 5-MeO-EiPT has apparently dried up since I last checked, glad I was able to get myself some of that first. Really sad about the lysergamides too, but I'm definitely happy we at least had the chance for a while. I'm a bit anxious about whether or not I should try to get some more AL-LAD though, I've only get enough for a few full doses to try it out with. ETH-LAD always sounded like the better (or at least deeper) of the two to me though.
On the other hand, it's cool to hear that a new route is being explored as well.... I can't believe there are still no reports for NDTDI, but maybe RU-28306 will get some love now. For once these are some indoles that I don't really feel too rushed to explore right away myself, but it would be interesting to see what others have to say about them and if they appear safe or worthwhile. It sure would be something if this family of chemicals worked out recreationally and they kept expanding until we had every single possible structural step between DMT and LSD (and beyond)!
perpetualdawn, about this you said a little while back: "Imagine if no one had ever heard of mescaline before, and it showed up today as an RC? We might start out cautiously at 1mg, then 10mg, then 20mg, start to notice some nausea but nothing else, try it at 30mg, get a headache and nausea, and then throw in the towel deciding Mescaline is a dead end on the psychedelic chemical tree. Know what I mean?" I know exactly what you mean, this thought has been in the back of my mind for years now. It's one of the driving forces behind my experimentation.... For instance, I took 50 mg for my first time with MiPT because pretty much every report I could find of it before then was mostly about how less than 50 mg was underwhelming, and many just dismissed it as a largely mild substance. But, in my opinion there is no such thing as a mild psychedelic, just one dosed too low... which may make something functionally useless if the required dose also passes some thresholds for dangerous physical effects, but with something like base or 4-substituted tryptamines especially I'm not too worried about that. So, I went with the 50 mg and was not disappointed in the least, actually having one of the most euphoric and visual and emotionally deep trips of my life. It's definitely worth pushing higher with some things.
I'm getting myself back in the proper mindset to trip again now, as it's now been almost two months(!!) since my last time. Multiple things have been keeping me away, not the least of which is dealing with a bug infestation at home, which has filled my head with all sorts of creepy crawly images that don't make me too keen to enter a hallucinogenic state... but that all seems to be about passing now. Now I just have to pick a substance to use, which is not always as easy as it sounds.... Has anyone here gotten around to trying or heard of anyone else trying the recently available MPT yet? I've still been waiting to hear some reports about that one as they come in, along with the other newer molecules, but I may have to just dive into it myself if someone else doesn't soon....
And that your holidays were very nice too. I've been very busy and away as of late so I have some catching up to do....It's sad to hear about certain substances disappearing from the market. For the record, I also checked some sources for 5-MeO-MiPT when I saw this and it still seems to be around... but I cannot say how long that will remain true. My only remaining source for 5-MeO-EiPT has apparently dried up since I last checked, glad I was able to get myself some of that first. Really sad about the lysergamides too, but I'm definitely happy we at least had the chance for a while. I'm a bit anxious about whether or not I should try to get some more AL-LAD though, I've only get enough for a few full doses to try it out with. ETH-LAD always sounded like the better (or at least deeper) of the two to me though.
On the other hand, it's cool to hear that a new route is being explored as well.... I can't believe there are still no reports for NDTDI, but maybe RU-28306 will get some love now. For once these are some indoles that I don't really feel too rushed to explore right away myself, but it would be interesting to see what others have to say about them and if they appear safe or worthwhile. It sure would be something if this family of chemicals worked out recreationally and they kept expanding until we had every single possible structural step between DMT and LSD (and beyond)!
perpetualdawn, about this you said a little while back: "Imagine if no one had ever heard of mescaline before, and it showed up today as an RC? We might start out cautiously at 1mg, then 10mg, then 20mg, start to notice some nausea but nothing else, try it at 30mg, get a headache and nausea, and then throw in the towel deciding Mescaline is a dead end on the psychedelic chemical tree. Know what I mean?" I know exactly what you mean, this thought has been in the back of my mind for years now. It's one of the driving forces behind my experimentation.... For instance, I took 50 mg for my first time with MiPT because pretty much every report I could find of it before then was mostly about how less than 50 mg was underwhelming, and many just dismissed it as a largely mild substance. But, in my opinion there is no such thing as a mild psychedelic, just one dosed too low... which may make something functionally useless if the required dose also passes some thresholds for dangerous physical effects, but with something like base or 4-substituted tryptamines especially I'm not too worried about that. So, I went with the 50 mg and was not disappointed in the least, actually having one of the most euphoric and visual and emotionally deep trips of my life. It's definitely worth pushing higher with some things.
I'm getting myself back in the proper mindset to trip again now, as it's now been almost two months(!!) since my last time. Multiple things have been keeping me away, not the least of which is dealing with a bug infestation at home, which has filled my head with all sorts of creepy crawly images that don't make me too keen to enter a hallucinogenic state... but that all seems to be about passing now. Now I just have to pick a substance to use, which is not always as easy as it sounds.... Has anyone here gotten around to trying or heard of anyone else trying the recently available MPT yet? I've still been waiting to hear some reports about that one as they come in, along with the other newer molecules, but I may have to just dive into it myself if someone else doesn't soon....
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I still haven't tried my MPT actually. Haven't been tripping nearly as often of late.
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That is surprising actually, but I hope that means you've just been too satisfied to think about it. Or at least too preoccupied living life! Certainly not tripping so much for a while is not always a bad thing, but I'm definitely itching to get back to it.... My usual daily routine has been pretty disrupted for a while and I haven't even been living at home for a lot of it, I'm ready to settle back into the swing of things for a while and get back to my weekly inner voyages. :D
Or at least too preoccupied living life! Certainly not tripping so much for a while is not always a bad thing, but I'm definitely itching to get back to it.... My usual daily routine has been pretty disrupted for a while and I haven't even been living at home for a lot of it, I'm ready to settle back into the swing of things for a while and get back to my weekly inner voyages. :DOpened up to a girl today and asker her out to a Pink Floyd tribute. She's gotta work but she'll be joining me and a few others helping friends move into their new house the next weekend. Its shaping up to be one hell of a celebration of moving forward in life and love.
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Nice! Good luck with that!
Yeah, I've been using drugs, just not psychedelics very much. I got ahold of the old-style hypomanic batch of 3-MeO-PCP and have been doing my low-dose regimen on and off, I had a run with a few different empathogens in the past couple of months and it left me feeling a little burnt out for a bit. I'd like to take a nice solid trip soon. I've been hanging out with my girlfriend more and I tend to not get intoxicated then because she rarely does (tiny-dose 3-MeO-PCP doesn't count I feel because it just modulates my mood/energy)... we smoke weed together every so often, but she doesn't drink at all anymore because it fucks her stomach up bad, and rarely does other drugs either. I've only been smoking weed like twice a week too, at band practice/hanging out with other friends.
She does want to take MDMA with me soon, and sometime this year she wants to take LSD with me too. I suspect when my friend gets back from his band's Florida tour, we'll do a strong tryptamine journey... he and I like to do those periodically and it seems about time.
Good luck with that!That is surprising actually, but I hope that means you've just been too satisfied to think about it.
Yeah, I've been using drugs, just not psychedelics very much. I got ahold of the old-style hypomanic batch of 3-MeO-PCP and have been doing my low-dose regimen on and off, I had a run with a few different empathogens in the past couple of months and it left me feeling a little burnt out for a bit. I'd like to take a nice solid trip soon. I've been hanging out with my girlfriend more and I tend to not get intoxicated then because she rarely does (tiny-dose 3-MeO-PCP doesn't count I feel because it just modulates my mood/energy)... we smoke weed together every so often, but she doesn't drink at all anymore because it fucks her stomach up bad, and rarely does other drugs either. I've only been smoking weed like twice a week too, at band practice/hanging out with other friends.
She does want to take MDMA with me soon, and sometime this year she wants to take LSD with me too. I suspect when my friend gets back from his band's Florida tour, we'll do a strong tryptamine journey... he and I like to do those periodically and it seems about time.
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Same here. I've been quite restrained lately, but I often catch myself looking at a tree and wishing I could see it dancing outside the bounds of the spacetime continuum in a fractal vortex. Or something.
I've just been really focused on trying to make sure my usage is as healthy as possible. I'd love a nice, deep lysergamide trip more than anything though.
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Sounds like a fun time.
I was also using other drugs while not tripping, mostly alcohol with family. (Or to distract from the itching... the terrible itching... but that's a different story.) It was a nice change of pace but I'm getting a little tired of it now too. Interestingly, part of why I got so into it is because alcohol used to fuck with my stomach as well and do other terrible things to me too, but for some reason I was able to drink to my heart's content over the holidays without suffering from any of those problems, like back when I first started drinking. That was nice, but it's just not really a state of mind I like being in all the time. Anyway, that makes sense about getting high less when you're with your girlfriend too, it's probably not a bad thing to have that kind of influence in life haha. I've still been smoking like crazy myself but I'm actually about to be forced to make a change too.... A many years long setup I've had to very easily and extremely cheaply get strong cannabis is finally coming to a close, and with my current budget I've opted to just not keep funding that habit at all anymore for quite some time, so starting this next week or so I'm going to be getting used to being sober very often again.... All the more reason I'm wanting to get back into a regular tripping routine too!I bet those will be awesome experiences.
Nothing like LSD or MDMA and love. And cool about the potential tryptamine trip too, I hope it's a good one!That does sound nice lol. Even before the short hiatus, my last six psychedelic experiences have actually been almost entirely devoid of open eye visuals of any real significance, so it's been a good while. I may end up taking something super visual this time just for that very reason....
But I hear that, I've gotten anxious about my use of psychedelics from time to time as I can get pretty into them. That's definitely been a concern of mine as well, though not so much as of late.... I'm actually feeling pretty comfortable with just following my instincts for using psychedelics right now, which is a good feeling. I think it means my positive trips are actually working, heh.
A lysergamide trip does sound nice. I was thinking about trying AL-LAD for the first time myself, though I am extra anxious now that it's apparently disappearing as I only have enough for three theoretical trips (300 ug, 450 ug, and 750 ug), and I'm thinking there's a pretty good chance I'm not going to stock up on any more. I really want to know what it's like though, and if what I've heard about it is correct I feel like it might also satisfy my hunger for a more visual trip pretty well....
Solipsis, thioesters can get oxidized as the C-S bound is not as strong as the C-O bound. The stability of the 2C-T-X is reduced compared to the non-sulfur containing 2Cs as the sulfur atom is too big to have its pi electrons interacting with the aromatic ring. I guess under good conditions you could store thioesters for quite some time but I would be careful.
In one of the "Ask the Shulgins" on Youtube Shlugin actually says that the thio compounds are not stable but I can not find it any more
Ah that may be, I thought by intrinsically you meant that it would be unstable even out of solution and without things like chronic oxygen exposure.
No sure, not really that many things I would like lying around just open to oxygen etc. Even if other PEAs for example would be much more able to take it I find that bad practice.
Solipsis, you got me I actually assumed that people would store the compounds at room temperature with contact to oxygen. I guess if you put the chemical uner dry argon and store it in a liquid nitrogen cooling it should really keep nearly forever :D
Funny story: When I was doing my PhD, we were investigating a complex that was found to be "really stable". For us, that meant that it could be isolated in ultra high vacuum, liquid nitrogen temperature and magnetic fields trapping it. I guess in the end it is all a matter of perspective :D
I actually assumed that people would store the compounds at room temperature with contact to oxygen. I guess if you put the chemical uner dry argon and store it in a liquid nitrogen cooling it should really keep nearly forever :D Funny story: When I was doing my PhD, we were investigating a complex that was found to be "really stable". For us, that meant that it could be isolated in ultra high vacuum, liquid nitrogen temperature and magnetic fields trapping it. I guess in the end it is all a matter of perspective :D
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Well my 2C-T-2 has been stored in an amber vial or a plastic baggie, at room temperature with no insert gas or anything fancy like that, inside a box since 2005 (or maybe older, it was gifted by a good friend and I know it's at least that old), no signs of degradation whatsoever.
My DOT, also a thio compound, was in solution, however, and even in the fridge it degraded within ~6 months.
My DOT, also a thio compound, was in solution, however, and even in the fridge it degraded within ~6 months.
How do you determine that no degradation is going in? The oxidized species will still be white and some kind of powder/crystals.
The stuff might be stable, don't get me wrong, but without running chemical analysis on it it is very hard to tell
By the way. The feelings of a cold I had when trying the mescaline went on and lead to one of the worst colds I head in years. I see no connection to the mescaline as I had some mild symptoms before but just ignored them.
One interesting impression is that the mescaline really felt good in general. I did not notice any problems focusing or anything like mood swings the next days. It might be a but paranoid but I can not say this for mdma, hence I didn't take it again.
The stuff might be stable, don't get me wrong, but without running chemical analysis on it it is very hard to tell
By the way. The feelings of a cold I had when trying the mescaline went on and lead to one of the worst colds I head in years. I see no connection to the mescaline as I had some mild symptoms before but just ignored them.
One interesting impression is that the mescaline really felt good in general. I did not notice any problems focusing or anything like mood swings the next days. It might be a but paranoid but I can not say this for mdma, hence I didn't take it again.
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I guess I can't say for sure. Subjectively, the material still seems fully potent and the effects are as expected.