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Overrated and underrated drugs

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IV coke is far better then snorted coke. I don't really care for snorted coke, but IV is a whole different ball game. The rush is like nothing else. Doesn't last for long, but I don't think that the come down is as bad as snorted coke. Gotta have good quality C though, or you just don't get the bell ringers that ppl are so fond of.

A speed ball is perfection in a syringe.
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IV coke??? Surely u mean intramuscular...
 
falsifiedhypothesi said:
Xanax and codeine in the form of lean take the grand prize for most overrated drugs. Every time I hear the word "lean" I cringe. Codeine, at least to me, is pretty shit in general, even when I had no tolerance I never enjoyed it.

I think mushrooms are pretty underrated in the sense that people don't realize the full potential of them and just want to see crazy things and giggle their asses off. Psilocybin mushrooms are the most beneficial drug I have taken as far as improving my mental health.
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The only reason i like xanzibars is to ease into my comedown and pass out.
 
December Flower said:
However they are meaningless, very much so.
See, it is factually impossible to know every single person around you/in your area/even in just the "drug scene", therefore it is impossible to know people's impressions of said drugs.

Say our friend Klaus dislikes a drug, let's say Meth, and he thinks it's a useless drug. We also heard the same opinion from Peter and Karl. Is Meth really underrated then?
I would beg to differ, since approximately .6% of the population uses it. The assumption of something being under- or overrated is based entirely on the perception of every single person.

And let's not forget the non-users. There might be many people who think that Marihuana makes you see colours and hallucinate, etc. pp., essentially overrated here.
But when you ask users, it's entirely underrated, because every one of us will play it down, or describe the effects as they actually are, therefore describe it as relatively harmless altogether.

In user-circles we'll have different expectations from drugs as well, ofc. One very good example is Opium. Many people, myself included back then, seem to be expecting a lot from Opium, but honestly, I've smoked a lot of Opium in Spain, and it's really not that much.

So the definition of over- or underrated is entirely circumstancial and rather random, making the entirety of this thread useless approximation. I mean if that's fun for you guys, I really don't want to stop you, just saying the information is completely useless :D
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Wholeheartedly disagree. Just because someone else has a subjective experience that is difficult to quantify doesn't make their attempt to communicate their experience and opinions invalid or useless.

U just have to account for the fact that the information is subjective.

Otherwise entire branches of science, literature, and music would be rendered meaningless.
 
WestByGolly said:
Thanks for that - I did not know. Maybe I am getting it confused with something else. It felt almost the same as MDMA just with a shorter duration - Going off of memory, I remember it lasting about 1.5 hours roughly from onset to end. Any ideas? Thanks!
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Mdma should last 4-6 hours
 
sage632 said:
2ci is the most painful thing i have ever put up my nose. Once the pain subsided, it was quite fun.
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the 2C-Xs are much better taken orally. They are very caustic and painful snorted and the trio is more visual but less deep, shorter duration, less comfortable
 
sage632 said:
IV coke??? Surely u mean intramuscular...
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I dont think you can shoot coke IM, I've shot it IV in doses up to like 250mg...intense, for a while.
I always thought if you IM'd it it would almost certainly cause an abscess? I may be wrong though...i guess if it was 100% unadulterated, micron filtered and sterile water was used it could be ok? Rather just plug it though, thats a good rush too if your bowels are empty.

Overrated: k
Underrated: k
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Bare_head said:
Overrated. Alcohol, nicotine and cocaine.

Underrated. Psychedelics mainly
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I agree with all of this. I abused alcohol for many years and it got me nowhere. Worsened my depression, helped me ruin many relationships, and made me feel like shit. Nicotine does nothing but "relieve stress" which is created from the stress of nicotine withdrawal. Doesn't stop me from smoking, though. And cocaine is all stepped on garbage around here. Either it's damn near entirely bunk or it's loaded with fentanyl. And even when it's good, you get a 15 to 30 minutes of a bit of energy and euphoria before you're fiending for more. Oh, and it's hella expensive.

Psychedelics are my favorite of all the drugs (despite the fact that I basically only use meth right now). They're so mind opening and... freeing. I'm not a spiritual person by any means, but I've definitely had some unique spiritual experiences using LSD and mushrooms. One day I'll get my hands on some DMT...
 
jhjhsdi said:
I dont think you can shoot coke IM, I've shot it IV in doses up to like 250mg...intense, for a while.
I always thought if you IM'd it it would almost certainly cause an abscess? I may be wrong though...i guess if it was 100% unadulterated, micron filtered and sterile water was used it could be ok? Rather just plug it though, thats a good rush too if your bowels are empty.
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I've wondered about that as well... I mean, in the first US "cocaine epidemic" (1895-1915) most people snorted but plenty injected hypodermically as well, and IV injection basically hadn't been invented yet -- so anyone who injected basically injected SC/IM. (Street injectors started to IV intentionally around the early 1920s -- and it was cocaine injectors who pioneered it -- but it didn't become dominant until some time in the mid 1930s.)

I have read period accounts that do say cocaine injectors had more abscesses than morphine/heroin injectors. However, I have to assume they were injecting much more frequently (and maniacally) than their opiate addict peers. On the other hand, coke does have certain properties (like local vasoconstriction) that makes it worse for your tissues than other powders -- like damaging your septum. I don't intend to try it soon, but I'd do all the things you mentioned plus dilute it well and inject it slowly, if I were going to IM it.
 
overrated: benzos in gereral, they are lame without anything else but a must have for the serious drug expert.
 
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sage632 said:
IV coke??? Surely u mean intramuscular...
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what now? do you IM cocaine sir?

also coke and meth most definitely do not give the 'same high, ahem, fuck no they do not lmao'...I* dunno what you been taking to come to that bizarre conclusion, subjectivity notwithstanding :)
 
I beg to differ about sex being no fun without drugs... I find it one of my favorite activities with or without drugs. It's messy for sure, but I like that about it.
 
I have been told via some medical professionals who i used to party with that cocaine should be injected into muscle tissue, just like novocaine. I admit, tho. I have not looked into the matter myself.

As far as ur thoughts on the similarities of the high:

"When people use meth or cocaine, levels of the pleasure neurotransmitter dopamine increases in the brain. Animal studies have indicated that methamphetamine produces higher levels of dopamine. Both drugs block a process that normally removes dopamine from the spaces between brain cells, but meth also increases the release of dopamine.

In fact, methamphetamine usually produces about three times more dopamine than cocaine. Meth releases about a thousand units of dopamine, according to Dr. Kevin Wandler, chief medical officer of Advanced Recovery Systems. This results in a more intense high than that of a cigarette or alcoholic drink, which release about 150 units."

Source: https://www.drugrehab.com/addiction/drugs/crystal-meth/meth-vs-coke/
 
jhjhsdi said:
I dont think you can shoot coke IM, I've shot it IV in doses up to like 250mg...intense, for a while.
I always thought if you IM'd it it would almost certainly cause an abscess? I may be wrong though...i guess if it was 100% unadulterated, micron filtered and sterile water was used it could be ok? Rather just plug it though, thats a good rush too if your bowels are empty.

Overrated: k
Underrated: k
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I believe that it was developed as a local anesthetic and designed in order to be shot into tissue. Just like marcaine, novocaine, lidocaine, etc...
 
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