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Orange Triangles Adelaide - LSD

I empathise with your experience, but it is an excellent example of what can happen if you are inexperienced with psychedelics, as many of the MDMA users who took these pills may have been. It also reiterates the importance of know your substance, know your source, know your limits.
 
We can all be violent and homocidal TripsterC, it just depends on what doors open to us at what times.

We are all human, unpredictable and complex. Just make sure that you understand where the feelings you felt came from, you may understand yourself better.

Peace :)
 
Thank you for posting TripsterC, I hope you're doing better mate.
Good vibes being sent your way :)

take care
 
I know how you feel TC, I almost took advantage of two of my tripping partners when I had them. I forgot they had boyfriends. Luckily they were there to stop me doing something stupid.
 
One thing that's making me think about the LSD in these tablets... Wouldn't the LSD be vulnerable to breaking down, since it is a very volatile chemical.
I'm guessing it was liquid dropped onto each tablet and not a little crystal of LSD like the microdots since it was possible to determine the presence of LSD in the crumbs you were sent.
Any thoughts on why, after so much pan-handling and inappropriate LSD 'care', they were able to still pack such a punch???
 
I've had LSD on vitamin c tablets before and they were very strong. It actually took me by suprise.
 
i think confusion is alot to do with it, its like half of your brain saids "do it" and the other half saying dont do it. But i was in no control at all.
I also remember that night it was a full moon, which makes me think that might have something to do with it
 
I agree with cowboymac, the specialist doctor even said to me just take one next time, and if it doesnt hit you, doesnt mean you can take more & i know doctors shoudnt say that but they understand whats goin on in society these days but i told them i wont touch it again. I even had 6 uni personels speak to me about my ecstasy usage and as i was sitting in the institution next door they were building a new mental clinic as big as the old one which makes me think, theres going to be alot more users going in for psychedelics.
 
I first met the chemist who has been conducting these tests in SA last year. He is not overlooking the fact it may contain a RC, he is fully aware of what they are, and as an Enlighten representative I correspond with him frequently. Based on his laboratory work I can guarantee the pills contain ONLY LSD.

I am not disputing the results of the pills tested in SA. I am however questioning how we can safely concluded that the one manufacturer created every pill of this brand.

Any suggestion the pills contain something other than LSD is going against scientific evidence, all you are basing it on is interpreting physical effects. LSD is a very powerful chemical, and one must not disregard set and setting.

Yes, if I consumed a pill obtained in SA, then yes I would be going against the scientific evidence. I consumed a pill obtained on the east coast. The colour of my pills was even different to those shown on the TV (but I admit that might just be the journo putting anything in front of the camera).

The other contention I made is a reasonable one. Drugs cause certain physiological reactions that are common to the majority of users. This applies to LSD. Perhaps we don’t hallucinate the same thing or think the same thoughts but the documentation of physiological affects, pupil dilation, increased salivation and mucus production, unusual body sensations (facial flushing, chills, goosebumps, body energy) unusual thoughts and speech, changes in perception of time, quickly changing emotions (happiness, fear, giddiness, anxiety, anger, joy, irritation) are just some of the things you experience whilst on LSD.

Except for the visual factor the above was not common to my experience or my peers. Nor is a high temputure reported as one the symptoms of LSD (even in large doses).

If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck then granted I would agree I consumed LSD but my experience, and those of my peers (experienced psychonauts in their own right) suggests otherwise.

Lastly, I’m not some stupid raver who pops countless quantities of pills in a environment that prompts stress and confusion. I obtained these pills on the basis they were acid. I did not consume an entire pill but started slowly on a quarter, in a home environment, and then increased my dosage over a 4-week period. I was very aware that these pills were strong (as a friend had reported). I found the affects over that four-week period (in different moods and settings) to be completely different to previous trips (yet each of those tests the experience was the same, just varying in strength).

I'm not disputing the SA results and great, you guys know you got acid. I guess at the end of the day this is all moot (for me anyway) as unless I can submit a sample of one of these pills for testing then it'll be difficult to determine what i and my friends consumed. I’m sorry if I come across as rude and i hope (and would gladly give a donation to help this happen) that GCMS & quantitive testing can be provided as a public service.
 
chugs: The list I made in the previous post was not specifically directed towards you, however I did answer the questions you raised also. I agree we cannot tell exactly what was in your pill unless we tested your pill, but we can be quite sure as:

Enlighten collected samples of the original 'Orange Triangles' that returned no result under a GCMS due to only a very small amount being tested. A whole pill would be ideal, but we only collected around 1mg or less for GCMS. Part of the reason an answer took so long before it was resolved was that apart from the legal hurdles in performing GCMS tests based on public submissions, no result was initially detected in the small samples collected last year.

The pills that were recently seized in SA tested up containing LSD, and this result had been duplicated by a police seizure in QLD months ago. Based on this point, and the point above, it is extremely likely that the pills have contained only LSD. If previous batches contained an RC it would have been detected in the mg or so sample taken from the pills. RC doses are mg, not ug like LSD.
 
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There is absolutely no way that a 2CX substance in a pill, in a concentration high enough to have an active effect, would be missed, never mind confused, with LSD on GCMS. CM is on the money.
 
When I first took these, I knew they were not MDMA
*THANKGOD* for pillreports.
so I went halves with someone. (and didn't have anymore)
chew/sucked it............. mmmmm vitamin C. right there and then i knew anything was possible. I wasn't going to redose no matter what (i made that mistake the first time i took acid) I was even offered another for free about 1.5hrs in, i was quick to say... FUCCCCCCCCCCCCCK THAT. as I was just starting to see colours I never knew existed.


I guess I was prepared for some sort of trip, but what happened next was unbelivable.
After about ONE hour, which is alot longer than MDMA takes to kick in,

I simply go to my friend... "we are not going home."
his response: "I know"

Each progressive hour, these things just got stronger and stronger, and continued to build for about 10 hours.
The visuals were oh so beautiful, everything was perfect. It was just like some acid tabs ive had before, but so CLEAN and PURE. No headache or mindfuck like the tabs either. If needed you could hold a conversation, but if you wanted to let loose, things went wild. It was what you made it. It ended when you decided to goto bed and without a comedown.

And im not suggesting you should run out and try these things.

I quote: LSD rules supreme MDMA can't hold a candle to it.


KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK GUYS. MUCH APPRECIATED.
 
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Now that the active in these pills is known I would love to eat some, I have had tabs, micros and liquid it would be interesting to see the difference. from erba's report it sounds like there is one!
 
Also, what amount did the active ingredient test up as?
Or are you unable to release that information, for whatever bullshit political reason?
 
I doubt that was of imediate interest, if so they probably won't release it due to the fact that to determine this reliably they would need to test a number of pills and calculate statistics regarding variation etc.
I wish they would though!
 
im aware that results would vary from pill to pill.
I was just curious as what the pill tested came up as.
 
Bless you, erba, your gratitude is touching. I've read with interest the
reactions of some Blulighters reactions to the release of information from
official sources in Australia, in the interests of harm reduction. To my
knowledge, this is not something that is happening all around Australia.
Neither, as it appears some people feel, is it something that people who use drugs are morally entititled to. For the time being, it is something that we should feel lucky to have, and if we continue to be lucky, and don't assume too much, we will continue to have. I don't think we are all that close to having a system where any pill you want analysed will be, with the results available to all-comers. I think you should feel lucky that in the current climate, at least the data on the dangerous / unexpected ones are being released. These results continue to be a privilege, and not a right.

The idea that the politics of this is 'bullshit', rather depends on your
definition of bullshit. If by bullshit you mean frustrating, not evidence-
based, overly-suspicious, even paranoid, then you are probably right. If you are suggesting that it is not real, you couldn't be further from the truth. The politics of drugs policy in Australia hangs on a knife edge at the moment, and to be honest, most Bluelighters haven't the faintest idea what is going on behind the scenes at the moment. The battle lines between politicians and drug experts are very firmly demarcated. I was dismayed to see the posts regarding the Sydney morning Heralds treatment of the Greens drugs policy- misrepresented, they were nevertheless denounced by some of the very people they were designed to protect. I've spent a long time wasting my anger on the people that Australians have chosen to elect in this country, whereas my ire should always have been directed at those politically naive enough to put their mortgage before their morals:|
All this to say that whatever 'political bullshit' is there, is there because
the majority of Australians, including some Blulighters, must have voted it there.
On a more technical note, LSD is very difficult to quantitate, and the results
will hopefully be published, in due course, when they are available.
Once again- the measures that exist currently do so to prevent harm (and they hang by a thread, and are there because of a MEDICAL demand for them) and those that think that this is not enough and that it should be a system available to facilitate ones' week-end pleasures are pushing their luck in this country at the moment.
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Let's just see how this election turns out before we can speculate if even this initiative continues...:(
 
I think some people on here forget that we're all on the same team. Just wanted to say "yay" to drplatypus for putting this information out there for us when he patently does not have to.
 
^^ What he said.

Thanks for clarifying so much in one post drplatypus.













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