Opioid Withdrawals arent lethal?? I BEG TO DIFFER -- EX-ADDICTS HELP PLZ

[In the Eyes of God]

 

[robatussin]

^^^^^^WTF? If this is bullshit, this guy sure puts effort into it. All bullshit aside, that sure looks interesting

 

[phr]

Ohmefentanyl (beta-hydroxy-3-methylfentanyl) stereoisomer F9204

Ok. I'll bite. How you do know it's non-addictive?

 

[In the Eyes of God]

Ok. I'll bite. How you do know it's non-addictive?

Ugh why I gotta spoon feed everything?

Here you go, Smyth says it all

http://www.jgames.co.uk/title/Ohmefentanyl


JUST READ IT, DEEPLY, its ALL backed up by references. To sum it up, F9204 was shown to be the worlds strongest drug ever discovered, 13,100x or so the potency of Morphine. It also, magically, showed almost non-existent physical dependancy in studies vs. all its other stereoisomers and vs. Morphine.

 

[phr]

That test used naloxone to induce precipitated withdrawal in mice that were given ED50 amounts of the ohmefentanyl analogues. I don't see that as proof that they do not cause physical dependance. The full article costs $30 dollars to view, so I'm not sure how the experiments were actually conducted.

I'd like to know how many doses and at what frequency and length of time were the mice given, and if they performed the same test without naloxone induced paws. And, I'd like to know the sample size as well. With all that being said, it's only one experiment. Hardly conclusive proof imo. But hey, whatever floats your boat.

 

[Cloud_9]

Not to doubt the validity of what you have done in the past, but I do wonder why you are almost giving us a trailer for "next year's big release" in the drug world. Wouldn't you want this to stay secret knowledge as long as possible... hold the proverbial "patent" in the drug world until the authorities know what is going on; before everyone and their mother has some " Pharaoh Ramses II Fentanyl" production lab in their local cartel's warehouse? If all this is true, and I am not doubting you, why bother posting to us in BL? There are other forums, of which I am almost positive you are aware of in which these topics are commonly discussed privately and secretly.

Basically, why now, and why us? You seem almost too eager to give up these "secrets" that you know so quickly and without anything in return. Do you just wish to be known as "That guy who made the cheapest most powerful narcotic ever right under the nose of the law?"

Sorry if my tone seems somewhat condescending in this post, I am not trying to be an asshole, just trying to ask some tough questions. you though

 

[In the Eyes of God]

That test used naloxone to induce precipitated withdrawal in mice that were given ED50 amounts of the ohmefentanyl analogues. I don't see that as proof that they do not cause physical dependance. The full article costs $30 dollars to view, so I'm not sure how the experiments were actually conducted.

I'd like to know how many doses and at what frequency and length of time were the mice given, and if they performed the same test without naloxone induced paws. And, I'd like to know the sample size as well. With all that being said, it's only one experiment. Hardly conclusive proof imo. But hey, whatever floats your boat.

ummmm ive read all the OMF articles, for free. Just goto ADD and ask somone for the article, you'll get it. Or just do a search here on BL cause im pretty sure the articles have already been posted here.


and dude, ur 'requirements' for proof somethings not addictive are beyond science. your like me, nothings proven until its usin. your NEVER gonna find any scientific evidence thats gonna make u beleive it isnt. Cause alls science has are their stupid little tests, like hot plate tests to determine analgesia level LOL what a terrible test idea, I bet every single fent derivs analgesia level is horribly off-target.

as I always say, never send a rhesus monkey to do a mans job.

so unless ur gonna acquire F9204, you, nor I, nor anyone heres ever gonna know the truth, so either accept the Naloxone tests, or score some F9204, or STFU!

 

[phr]

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Seriously. I'm beyond trying to figure out if you're bullshitting or not. I think Axl summed it up best with "I don't know if you are lying or not. common drug sense tells me that you are, in fact, lying."

But, to go along with the idea that you are not bullshitting, I wish nothing less than a lengthy incarceration for you if you do actually put it on the street. There are just some drugs that don't belong out on the street, illicit fentanyl and its analogues being some of them.

 

[phr]

ummmm ive read all the OMF articles, for free. Just goto ADD and ask somone for the article, you'll get it. Or just do a search here on BL cause im pretty sure the articles have already been posted here.


and dude, ur 'requirements' for proof somethings not addictive are beyond science. your like me, nothings proven until its usin. your NEVER gonna find any scientific evidence thats gonna make u beleive it isnt. Cause alls science has are their stupid little tests, like hot plate tests to determine analgesia level LOL what a terrible test idea, I bet every single fent derivs analgesia level is horribly off-target.

as I always say, never send a rhesus monkey to do a mans job.

My requirements for proof aren't beyond science. What are you talking about? I just don't believe one experiment, especially that one. I'm not going to search ADD for the article, you're the one that made the claim and the burden of proof lies on your shoulders. So don't just mention something and tell someone to look it up by themselves without addressing their specific points.

so unless ur gonna acquire F9204, you, nor I, nor anyone heres ever gonna know the truth, so either accept the Naloxone tests, or score some F9204, or STFU!

Ok, so if neither of us will really know the truth, then why did you base the claim on something you don't believe?

 

[In the Eyes of God]

F9204 is most likely everything science says it is. Will we ever know FOR CERTAIN??? IS ANYTHING EVER CERTAIN IN LIFE?????? NO!

I beleive the F9204 stuff. But I wont beleive it 100% unless ive used it, and ill never use it, so I wont waste my mind on comprehending it anymore.

If u dont beleive it, at all, thats fine. I dont give a flyin fuck about Ohmefentanyl. Dont ask me to go nitpick through articles on it, cause I dont care enough. If you wanna make yourself beleive, then you yourself must do the research. Dont ask me to, I DONT CARE!!!!!!!!!!


Thats like me asking you whats the best race of hooker to bang. You saying asians. Then me asking you to prove it to me, and you saying youve got a wife. If I really wanna know, ill go bang some asians and find out myself, I dont expect you to send me your home made asian prostitute porn, your wife wouldnt like that


NOW dont ask me about OMF anymore, cause I DONT CARE. I only posted that in hopes somone would RESEARCH IT THEMSELVES, not ask me why I posted that. The reason why is obvious, cause science said so. Obviously its not enough science for you, oh well, prove it to yourself, dont ask me to do it for you. Yeeesh.

 

[In the Eyes of God]

if you do actually put it on the street. There are just some drugs that don't belong out on the street, illicit fentanyl and its analogues being some of them.

you clearly arent understanding this thread. ima spell this crystal clear just once.

PHF has ALREADY been unleashed from the gates of hell, raped souls, and receeded back into the belly of the demon. Its been there, done that, and gone back, all thats left now is the aftermath. Hence this thread.

 

[psilocybonaut]

I was a heroin addict for over a year. I am currenlty on 85mg Methadone Maintenance every morning, which is working really well for me. I haven't used seince I got on it.

However, if you've only been using 6-9 months and do not have lifelong history of addiction and relapses (you must be a relatively new addict who's not THAt addicted) who is determined to quit, there is a new medication called Suboxone. It contains buprenorphine, which is an opiate agonist/antagonist. It won't get you high, but it will suppress the withdrawal symptoms.

I would HIGHLY recommend looking into Suboxone, Subutex, or Buprenorphine. Depending on how much dope you use will depend on the dose of Suboxone they give you. They make 2mg, 4mg, and 8mg pills. For my girlfriend, it was a lifesaver (she had only been using 3 balloons a day for 6 months). She was taking 4mg every 12 hrs for 4 days, then on the 5th and 6th day she took 2mg every 12 hrs. Then on the 7th and 8th day she took 1mg every 12 hours. She says she feels fine, not sick at all. You have to hold it under your tongue till it dissolves and you can't swallow any.

Are suboxone withdrawals existent? Are they bad?

It is prescribable by doctors who have special training in opiate dependence. Do an internet search and you will find one. Find a doctor that offers suboxone treatment/maintenance.

I've heard from a few people that you can kick with Suboxone in 5 days!

 

[In the Eyes of God]

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Thanks for the advice however,

ive already quit cold turkey, and am much better now.

I dont think treating an opioid addiction with other opioids is a very bright idea. I say bite the bullet, cry like a little bitch, and get over it eventually. GABA + RR own opioid addiction.

Alls ur doing takin subox, 'done, or bupe, is delaying the inevitable. The day will come when if u wanna quit, your gonna have to bite the bullet

 

[Cloud_9]

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Thanks for the advice however,

ive already quit cold turkey, and am much better now.

I dont think treating an opioid addiction with other opioids is a very bright idea. I say bite the bullet, cry like a little bitch, and get over it eventually. GABA + RR own opioid addiction.

Alls ur doing takin subox, 'done, or bupe, is delaying the inevitable. The day will come when if u wanna quit, your gonna have to bite the bullet

Well, some people just don't have the time, will power, or even the initiative to quit on their own cold turkey. Some have accepted that they may very well be on opiates a good amount of their life and simply take methadone because they don't want to quit, other may use it to make the process of withdrawal as least intrusive to their daily lives possible. There are plenty of working class non-homeless opiate/opioid addicts out there and the fact that in order to be sober they must not be taking any drugs at one point in their ordeal doesn't mean they must do it all at once. Not many people have the 12 days off from every responsibility in their lives like you may have when you started this cold turkey process.

Quitting isn't easy for anybody, and especially you considering the unknown ways in which the chemical you ingested changed your "reward" system and hormone levels. For most it will be easier than it is for you, though the way to sober up best is different for everyone because not everyone is the same, nor does everybody do the same drug, at the same dose as you so obviously have shown us. 8(

Don't know where this post is going really other than out to say good luck to everybody who is recovering by their own will, and to those not, well, god speed, and may you be as fulfilled as you ever want to be however you wish to do that.

 

[-Guido-]

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Thanks for the advice however,

ive already quit cold turkey, and am much better now.

I dont think treating an opioid addiction with other opioids is a very bright idea. I say bite the bullet, cry like a little bitch, and get over it eventually. GABA + RR own opioid addiction.

Alls ur doing takin subox, 'done, or bupe, is delaying the inevitable. The day will come when if u wanna quit, your gonna have to bite the bullet

Word. When I checked into Rehab I did the Detox Program and they weaned me from dope with Methadone and I did have the option to go on Methadone Maitenence or pursue treatment with Suboxone but I decided to bite the bullet. One day I just didnt get my dose of Methadone and clonodine and my usual drug cocktail i was on for days and I had to deal with it. Fuck that delay shit. It was hard but as the days went on I felt better, things got easier and 10 days later I said fuck this 12 step bullshit and checked out. Here I am now, no longer a junkie and no longer an addict. Just your freindly chipping nieghborhood Guido. :D

 

[-Guido-]

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Seriously. I'm beyond trying to figure out if you're bullshitting or not. I think Axl summed it up best with "I don't know if you are lying or not. common drug sense tells me that you are, in fact, lying."

Indeed Axl did sum it up. He's street smart like myself and a handful of other select Bluelighters and not a fucking mook so he took the right stance given the situation. I called bullshit as well- That is until I realized who In the Eyes of God actually was. Then things began to make sense as I put the pieces of the puzzle together and was able to see the big picture.

 

[ifonly]

pharohjuana has got to be some cronic shit

 

[-Guido-]

^And how IS his jib cut, pray tell

 

[-Guido-]

pharohjuana has got to be some cronic shit

You bet your ass it would.

 

[phr]

you clearly arent understanding this thread. ima spell this crystal clear just once.

PHF has ALREADY been unleashed from the gates of hell, raped souls, and receeded back into the belly of the demon. Its been there, done that, and gone back, all thats left now is the aftermath. Hence this thread.

No, I understand his thread, it was about it raping you.

Oh, and btw. Rule #1: Don't get high on your own supply.