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☛ Official ☚ [Mushrooms Subthread] Different Strains & Cultivation

^Actually they grow from spores that pass through the cows digestive tract. They need the excretement as a food source....
 
^ Really? I was't aware of that. I thought they would just prefer popping up in cow dung because (as you said) it's a good food source for them.

Where do the spores originate though? Do cows have to eat shrooms? Those lucky bastards =D
 
^Cows would eat spores on grass, as well as in shrooms and clumps of mycellium. I don't think their very selective in their diet....

Where do the spores originate? Chicken/egg maybe? Hard to say- outer space is one theory :) P. Cubensis (which is the main coporophyllic or dung-loving mushroom in use today) spreads its magic by being excreted by cows, stepped on by cows, farted out by cows, vomited/burped/given birth to by cows.... Think about why there are Holy Cows in India man....;)
 
That was a pretty psychedelic cow. I wonder if the cows themselves experience the effects of psilocin if they eat the mushrooms.

And I think "coporophyllic," literally 'to love/seek shit' should be the new word of the day. It's is just too hilarious to pass up. I wonder if this is where the phrase 'good shit' comes from ;)...and in India, would it be holy shit?
 
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different effects from different shrooms

i took so philipino mushrooms the other day and found the effects to be fairly different from my other shroom trips i most had experiance with mexicans and thai and the were more of a head fuck and i didnt realy enjoy it just wondering if mushroom strains have varying effects as some people have told me its all psilocin or psilocybin just in diffent quantities and others have said the other chems. in the shrooms affect the trip
 
It's a feature of psilocybin mushrooms that they can produce different effects every time you take them. I think if you gave someone capsules of different mushrooms and then told them to identify them as mexican or thai no-one could reliably identify them.

What you do get a lot of is people who know they are taking thai or mexican and then tell themselves "this trip is going to be righteously mellow" or "this trip is going to be visual" and sure enough the placebomine ensures they get the trip they were expecting.
 
It's a feature of psilocybin mushrooms that they can produce different effects every time you take them. I think if you gave someone capsules of different mushrooms and then told them to identify them as mexican or thai no-one could reliably identify them.
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Spot on. The things you list are just 'strains' of psilocybe cubensis - they are the actually the same type of mushroom. The whole strain thing is just an advertising ploy, they are basically the same. If the trips different it's just because...well trips are! It wouldn't be much good just going on a trip to the same place would it?

Now if the actual species is different, e.g. psilocybe cyanescens, psilocybe semilanceata then there could possibly be a notable difference, as the active chemicals are not entirely the same, or in the same ratios. However you would have to be very experienced to notice this with equivalent doses me thinks!

Happy travels.
 
Amberthefrog said:
Spot on. The things you list are just 'strains' of psilocybe cubensis - they are the actually the same type of mushroom. The whole strain thing is just an advertising ploy, they are basically the same. If the trips different it's just because...well trips are! It wouldn't be much good just going on a trip to the same place would it?

Now if the actual species is different, e.g. psilocybe cyanescens, psilocybe semilanceata then there could possibly be a notable difference, as the active chemicals are not entirely the same, or in the same ratios. However you would have to be very experienced to notice this with equivalent doses me thinks!

Happy travels.
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The mushrooms could be Psilocybe Mexicana which is a different species; but generally, cubensis are the mushrooms people are growing themselves and taking....clones from the Amazon at that!

People who have experimented with PURE 4-HO-DMT (psilocin) have reported a large qualatative difference in experiences between the chemical and the mushroom. Of course, theres psilocybin (4-PO-DMT) which is said to be hydroxylated in the stomach into psilocin- many people, including Shulgin, would beg to differ.

Though if the theory were true- then mushrooms higher in psilocin will take effect quicker, presumably as they don't have to be chemcally cleaved, whereas psilocybin is a pro-drug for psilocin and needs to be converted in the body.

The alkaloids baeocystin and nor-baeocystin are also present in most mushrooms, are psychoactive and present in tiny amounts usually- what effect they have on the experience is largely undocumented, except by the likes of us :\ I know, ime, of taking psyilocybe subaeringosa (I live in aus) in comparision with panaelous cyanescens- the effects are extraordinairly different, on par with the differences between LSA and LSD. Similar yet not.... Its a good idea to learn a bt about the macro and micro features of shrooms so as to help identify them for what they really are.
 
Not matter what strain of Psilocybe, they all contain Psilocybin as the active substance along with some psilocin. Different strains don't alter the trip in anyway.
 
Different strains--different effects/trips.

Each contains different amounts of psilocybin, psilocin, and/or other psychoactive tryptamines. Not to mention other ingredients that people believe produce other effects. You could probably find a list of different species and what kind of slightly different effects they produce. Shroomery has a lot of info about this kind of stuff.
 
How can you argue that the different strains mean nothing? They are clearly morphologically different, and so are the trips. There's more than just one active alkaloid at work here, and the varying ratios among them are almost certainly what accounts for the differences. It's like arguing that the different strains of cannabis are all BS, that the high from every bag of weed is the same. If you tried to argue that people would laugh their heads off. Same here.
 
Yes, i think it varys with mindset setting and the type of mushrooms. i identified some mushrooms i had once and the chart said they had the highest content of baeostin compared to all other commonly cultivated mushrooms and a large amount of psylocin compared to pcylocibi, it was not placebo that my trip started in 15 min and was the most intense trip of my life. i was walking on the ceiling. ill try and find the strain it .was again.

also i read reports that some mushrooms contain seretonin. which could have effects on the trip.
 
the only strains that have different psilocybin/psiloci amounts are the so called "indoor" strains and the wood loving species. also, this doesnt mean the trip will be different, just the potency. when spore sellers advertise different strains, they aren't selling different types of trips with each strain. there advertising different growing traits. even these are pretty much the same except between the regular strains and wood loving species.


however baeocystin might alter the trip quallitatively, though this is not confirmed.
 
I would really like to see an experience report from just pure baeocystin, IT would probably have to be synthetic since i dont think you can extract just baeocystin, you would get psylocibin and psylocin as well.

I havent heard of anyone doing this ever tho.

Anyone know?
 
Dextro 2C said:
Not matter what strain of Psilocybe, they all contain Psilocybin as the active substance along with some psilocin. Different strains don't alter the trip in anyway.
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Hmm, not true.
 
Ismene said:
placebomine ensures they get the trip they were expecting.
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ahaha.

This is an interesting thread.. it's compelled me to document all my future shroom trips and the shroom strain and amount. ;)
 
Zubi420 said:
the only strains that have different psilocybin/psiloci amounts are the so called "indoor" strains and the wood loving species. also, this doesnt mean the trip will be different, just the potency. when spore sellers advertise different strains, they aren't selling different types of trips with each strain. there advertising different growing traits. even these are pretty much the same except between the regular strains and wood loving species.


however baeocystin might alter the trip quallitatively, though this is not confirmed.
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This is not true, my favorite spore vendor describes each strain's subjective differences.

Are 4-Ho-DiPT and 4-AcO-DiPT the same? Are 2C-B and 2C-T-7 the same? Of course not. So how can you then argue that, regardless of structure, if a chemical occurs in a psilocybe mushroom, it produces the same effect? Do all chemicals produced in a lab produced the same effect? No! It's accepted that different strains of Morning Glories and Hawaiian Baby Woodrose have different trips, and that different strains of cannabis have different highs, so why is it so hard to understand that the same is true of mushrooms?
 
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