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☛ Official ☚ [Mushrooms Subthread] Different Strains & Cultivation

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It's a toad.

mjshroomer

Later I will post a a picture of a collected container of good conditioned harvested Copes.

The clean fresh Cope in the 2nd image above is how your copes should look when harvested.

It is easy to lift the mushroom form the ground with your thumb and first finger and as yuo do you can flick the majority of small fragments of manure with your 2nd and 3rd fingers at the bottom of the stem. Then let them dry single filed on paper so that they are not basically touching one another.

Never collect them in a plastic bag, always used a paper bag or a plastic container or a hand-crafted weaved basket. And when you carried them in such a container, carried the container as if it were a cup of hot coffee sot hat no mushroom moves around in the container. This insures that the mushrooms are not causing bruising on one another during movement so they do not cause oxidation,

Have a shroomy day, will post that container picture later,

mjshroomer
 
I find the claims that bruising causes the psilocin or psilocybin to degrade a little dubious.

There's no hard and fast evidence for that, though it is widely believed.

I'd wait on having more evidence.
 
Here is a picture of me at Suphanburi kwai (Buffalo) on a field trip with my colleague and several students collecting Copelandia cyanescens specimens. Observe on student picking also.

I am using a weaved basket to collect specimens. It is about 95 degrees here.

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A close up of the basket and see the shroosm below me where I am sitting

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And here is a plastic container of freshly harvested specimens.

With no oxidation or maybe a little but not a lot. These are healthy and ready for printing

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All fresh and healthy

mjshroomer,

this was in response to the bluing in Copelandia post above.
 
Swilow posted this post in the thread about Panaeolus subbalteatus.

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Originally Posted by IGNVS
im getting Panaeolus subbalteatus spores sent to me.

is anyone firmiliar with ingesting this type? potency or anything? i lost my link to that nifty place that tells you ~ % psilocin/ psilocybin in each species

Quoting directly from Psilocybin Mushrooms of the World, by Paul Stamets:

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"Weakly to moderately active, Stivje and Kuyper (1985) found maxima of .14% psilocybin, no psilocin, and 0.33% baeocystin. From brazillian specimens....
(1993) .08% psilocybin, no detectable psilocin....found maxima of 0.7% psilocybin, 0% psilocin, and 0.46% baeocystin (However, there was nearly a tenfold variation in potency!)....found .14%-.36% psilocybin (1993)..."

Make of that what you will; it seems that the mushrooms vary a bit, except for the fact there is no psilocin.

Another quote

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"Anecdotal reports from the pacific northwest associate the ingestion of raw mushrooms with stomach cramps, loss of musculatre, and/or a feeling of malaise".

All the ...'s are just peoples names. Taken from pg. 82.

Let us know how it goes.
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On a weight for weight basis, Panaeolus subbalteatus is as potent as Psilocybe cubensis.

3-5 dried grams or one fresh ounce or over.

Have you seen my article in Heads Magazine for Panaeolus subbalteatus in Holland it is now grown at about 20,000 kilos a week for sales in smart shops. i have photographed it this past year and am returning to do a pictorial of two other large scaled mushroom farms.

Read these pages for the story of Pan subbs and their potency.

http://mushroomjohn.org/freshmushrooms1.htm

and for Pan Subb photos, click here at this url and click each image to enlarge.

Two pages of the most beautiful large scaled cultivation of Panaeolus subbalteatus.

http://mushroomjohn.org/amssubb1.htm

http://mushroomjohn.org/amssubb2.htm

Enjoy this one.

mjshroomer
 
Well Andrew Weil in the Marriage of the Sun and the Moon in his Mushrooms II and III noted that someone and even him had uncomfortable stomach problems form consumption of Pans form rotted hay. I have eaten them on about10 occasions and never had such luck. Only good very cartoony visuals and a high sexual appetite with my wife, who also experienced the same. We made tea and did not measure and the tea was very fast and speedy in effect, but it was a natual shroom speed feeling of going faster than one was thinking.

Let me see If I can find Weil;s comments about that Oregon experience.

From Close Encounters of the Panaeolus Kind. by John W. Allen in Psychedelic Illuminations:

For a while after 1970, Panaeolus subbalteatus had become the third most popular free high mushroom in the United States after Psilocybe cubensis (the "gold top") and Psilocybe semilanceata (the "liberty cap"). Andrew Weil wrote about the popular use of Panaeolus subbalteatus in the Pacific Northwest in his book The Marriage of the Sun and Moon.

By 1976, Jonathan Ott, Jeremy Bigwood, Gastón Guzmán and Andrew Weil, all described Panaeolus subbalteatus as a popular recreational drug and in 1977 Andrew Weil wrote that "during the spring and summer months when the "liberty caps" are not available, Oregonians can use another variety of psilocybian mushroom in the genus Panaeolus. It is easily picked in quantities on piles of rotting hay in manured cow fields in the Willamette Valley. This mushroom is twice as fleshy as the "liberty cap", even though it is less potent. The dosage (when fresh) for both species, is similar depending on the size of the mushroom. Usually about twenty to forty mushrooms are sufficient for producing the desirable effects similar to that of the Psilocybes and Copelandias." Weil also mentioned that, "moreover the quality of the effects are not as good. When fresh it has been known to produce symptoms of mild toxicity, and sometimes nausea has been known to occur. I felt uncomfortable and quite restless after eating this variety. Drying them seems to curb some of the toxicity but not all of it. It is also not as visual in context as [are] other varieties. None the less it is quite popular in the warmer months."

Although Dr. Weil's experience with this species was not up to his expectations, clinical research on human volunteers has proven that Panaeolus species are more tranquil and less toxic in nature to humans than their cousins the Psilocybes. A clinical dosage for Panaeolus subbalteatus would be three to five grams of dried material or one fresh ounce. This would be equivalent to the same dosage for Psilocybe cubensis. One fresh ounce of Panaeolus subbalteatus would be approximately five to thirty fresh mushrooms depending on their size.

And in the 1950s, Dr. Sam I Stein, conducted a study of a man who had homosexual tendencies and was able to cure him of his desires by using Panaeolus subbalteatus and Psilocybe caerulescens in a clinical therapeutic setting. A rarity and Stein reported that the subbs were more tranquil that the psilocybes.

I might add that Dr. Stein was the first reported case of a mushroom bad trip. He ate five dried grams of in vitro grow P. cubensis and had a very heavy dysphoric reaction to the dosage.

mjshroomer.

So Weil's comments on the uncomfortable side effects he claimed to experience is one in a million. Maybe obtaining his personal notes of the incident and of other he appears to be aware of then maybe an investigation is in order.
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mjshroomer said:
And in the 1950s, Dr. Sam I Stein, conducted a study of a man who had homosexual tendencies and was able to cure him of his desires by using Panaeolus subbalteatus and Psilocybe caerulescens in a clinical therapeutic setting. A rarity and Stein reported that the subbs were more tranquil that the psilocybes.
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Must have re-imprinted the guy's reality tunnel or some metaprogramming action. What a silly use for psychedelics, to remove homosexual tendencies but hey people can do whatever they want with psychs. Just shows how our reality is determined by the mind and our perceptions and how we can learn, or in certain states, metaprogram or change our reality tunnel. Interesting stuff mjshroomer.
 
"Cure"? Homosexuality is a disease? Can of worms if I ever saw one. Good luck trying to put the lid back on. =D
 
^I've heard such nonsense before I will admit, I believe Dr. Leary believed a similar thing....Richard Alpert (Ram Daas) claimed to have his 'homosexuality' "cured" by LSD. Load of shit in my opiNION. If anything my drugging has widely expanded on sexual things I was already curious about so thumbs down to that tale :p :!

I might add that Dr. Stein was the first reported case of a mushroom bad trip
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Actually, I have read of cases whereby individuals accidentally ingested psilocybes (this was in the 1800's) after hunting for field mushrooms, and experienced pretty bad effects. Liberty caps were listed as 'poisonous' in many mycology pamphlets/etc. of the times, because of the reactions noted. %) :)
 
Have any of you guys seen walls melting while tripping out on shrooms? I've seen my friend melting into the ground, her hand melting into her face, etc... But something like just the walls around me melting...no. Isn't that more of an acid thing?

If you took shrooms, but only reach a "dreamy state", what does that mean? It can't be the dose or shrooms........if all your friends (who took less than you) are tripping ballz.
 
Those Amazing Amazonian Penis Envy Cubes

From the original strain developed by Steven Pollock on Terence McKenna's Amazonian Cubes, I give you three images of Penis Envy Psilocybe cubensis from the Colombian Amazon, grown in spawn of rye berry seed and mycelia streaked on PDA, and then mixed into compost made of horse dung, hickory nut shells, and pasteurized wheat straw.

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mjshroomer
 
nice. I've looked at several tek's (including the PF tek), but how easy is to grow shrooms?

Is the main concern sterilization?
 
Its insanely easy to grow mushrooms.

How does one make a new strain of mushrooms? I was under the impression that making new strains was considerably more difficult that cross polination with plants.
 
euphoricnod: The easiest way is simply to deliberately cause mutation by stressing them in the growth process, exposing them to UV light etc. Once you get a mutation you like then you collect the spore print and go from there.
I believe there are ways of making different mycelia cultures mix though.
 
If I walked into the locker room at the gym and saw a whanger that looked like that, not only would I not be envious, but it might even trigger a fight-or-flight response...
 
I have heard that this strain is somewhat finicky and with a lower spawn rate than standard cubes. Looks like this was a beautiful grow to me, though. Sad that I've never come upon the penis envies in person yet.
 
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