[MEGA] Synthetic Cannabinoid Discussion - Take 4

[jeremysdemo]

Edit: If I store my blend in airtight containers in my fridge, would this help avoid the slow degradation I've been hearing about?

I wouldn't worry about it,

you know you're going to smoke that shit long before it starts to degrade!

I mean how big are these batches?

personally it's the freezer for the powder, and a shoebox for the legal regal.%)

 

[pharmakos]

It took a good 2 full-sized joints of my blend to get stoned, and the blend was pretty strong.

did you go ahead with your 1gram:50gram ratio?

 

[dopemegently]

I wouldn't worry about it,

you know you're going to smoke that shit long before it starts to degrade!

I mean how big are these batches?

personally it's the freezer for the powder, and a shoebox for the legal regal.%)

I've made a 60 gram batch, and I'm storing it in Tupperware containers right now. Enough to last me quite a while, I reckon...

 

[dopemegently]

did you go ahead with your 1gram:50gram ratio?

No, in the end I used your ratio. It's a AkB48, BB-25 blend with cinnamon flavouring, and I used 60 grams of herb: 1 g of noid for 30 grams of substrate. You were definitely right though; 1 g: 50 gram would have been ridiculously weak. I've still got acetone, herb, and 2 grams of pb-2, so I may make another batch soon, only using more cinnamon. (I didn't put enough in there to effect the taste, but it smells good)...

 

[jeremysdemo]

I've made a 60 gram batch, and I'm storing it in Tupperware containers right now. Enough to last me quite a while, I reckon...

yeah, I don't make anything that large!

only personal use here, 10G at a time, I like to keep my stuff fresh, it tends to dry out over time.

I find the more moist it is (within reason you don't want the rolling paper falling apart) the larger puff I am able to take and hold in, which in turn means the more I am able to utilize of the noid per gram of regal.

of course I am an old pot head from way back, so I've remembered a lot of the old tricks to keeping the bud fresh, orange peel in the bag and all that jazz....

which of course leads me to another topic...I used to cure the buds with a particular method, this would change the color and taste to a nice almost tobacco like consistency (like pipe tobacco has) one thing I have noticed about damiana and other herbs on the market, they are greener than a football field and no curing process seems to have been employed when they were dried, often harsh.

combating this harshness is not always easy after the fact.

I did try and grow damiana last year but it did not take to my climate and a lot of birds ate the seeds and sprout-lings before they could get hardy enough. my goal was to grow my own and cure it like MJ...I am going to start them inside this time till the stems are green and they are not bird food then hope for the best with this short nor'easter grow season.

all hail John Huffman! %)

 

[pharmakos]

^ i am the same these days, only small batches. my last batch was 1gram of BB-22 in 14 grams of herb.... and its gonna last me a few months.

and damiana is harsher than a lot of herbs used in these blends. IDK why its so popular, i've never liked it.

 

[foolsgold]

watch it with 5f-bp22 that stuff caused me to black out and have a fit hospitalizing me the begin of christmas another one like ur144 that is now on my list of chemicals i cant use

 

[phactor]

watch it with 5f-bp22 that stuff caused me to black out and have a fit hospitalizing me the begin of christmas another one like ur144 that is now on my list of chemicals i cant use

Are we seeing more and more blackouts from Syths now? I remember reading about it back in the JWH days, but it seemed rare and only happened to people who dosed way too high. I enjoyed 73, 210 and 081 but I don't think I would touch any of the newer stuff.

 

[pharmakos]

^ seems to happen more often with the fluorinated ones

 

[mysticalcat]

Still trying to find perfect vape temp for my incense blend of 5F-AKB48 & 5F-PB22. Anyone know of a good temp? I've been doing 200c+ hanging high 230c... thinking it's too high but when the herb comes back out greenish, i put it back in. I dunno, probs too high to tell?

Was planning on quitting synth noids today but both my job interview and renting my perfect apartment fell through today. The world sucks so I'll be vaping + diazepam tonight. Stopping etizolam and diclazepam for now, I think 1 RC at a time... since I cant afford normal weed, and likely desensitized to normal effects of cannabis. I'll just vape this blend I have.

Have tooth ache which keeps coming and going as well, but keep putting off going to emergency dentists (i'm not registered) and the thought of getting a tooth pulled out scares the shit out of me

 

[foolsgold]

on the tooth thing its not as bad as it use to be was in the same boat as you with no dentist and used the emergency one they have a gel which the put on your gum stops the needle hurting

 

[jeremysdemo]

watch it with 5f-bp22 that stuff caused me to black out and have a fit hospitalizing me the begin of christmas another one like ur144 that is now on my list of chemicals i cant use

as a stated before, all or most ER cases I have read were due to acute overdoes.

I've been using AF-pb22 for 4 or 5 months now without so much as a chirp.

of course my doses are really low, and I don't vape.

a friend of mine likes to vape it despite his seizures on it, some people seem to have death a wish.

you at least sound smart enough to leave something alone if you can't use it responsibly.

^ i am the same these days, only small batches. my last batch was 1gram of BB-22 in 14 grams of herb.... and its gonna last me a few months.

and damiana is harsher than a lot of herbs used in these blends. IDK why its so popular, i've never liked it.

to me that is a large batch, I get about 3 or 4 batches per gram, maybe 5grams of damiana at a time, I have measuring bowl so I don't have to weigh it every time.

^ seems to happen more often with the fluorinated ones

boy I wish I could find that link to the study from Berkly, Dr,Wang I think, basically figured that out a year or two ago, and gave pretty good reasons as to why it occurs.

Have tooth ache which keeps coming and going as well, but keep putting off going to emergency dentists (i'm not registered) and the thought of getting a tooth pulled out scares the shit out of me

I feel ya,

I gave up on dentist years ago.

they wanted me to pull out my wisdom teeth in 2009 before they where even all the way in.

so here I have two perfectly good teeth about to grow in in the back, the two in front of them rotted, and they want me to toss them away!

I am happy to say here I am 5 years later with two usable teeth to chew with in the back, yea it was painful letting the two in front rot out, but eventually the nerves all die and all you are left with is little root fragments which work their way upward....

then again I have a high threshold for pain, never once went to the hospital even as my whole left side was puffed out one time....that is what the moonshine is for, disinfect and get a good night sleep!

I swear the insurance companies got the dentist over the barrel with all the malpractice suites, they would rather pull two good teeth than take the risk of leaving them in and being sued down the line if something goes wrong.

I just look at it this way, people lived to be over 100 years old long before modern dentistry. I'll take my chances.

 

[foolsgold]

as a stated before, all or most ER cases I have read were due to acute overdoes.

I've been using AF-pb22 for 4 or 5 months now without so much as a chirp.

of course my doses are really low, and I don't vape.

a friend of mine likes to vape it despite his seizures on it, some people seem to have death a wish.

you at least sound smart enough to leave something alone if you can't use it responsibly.

cheers i am with the noids never had any problems like this with other drugs but ive been hospitalized twice from noids in the last couple of years yet in 20 plus years only once been hospitalized before and was a very bad lsd trip thought i was dead and had stepped outside myself lol

 

[dopemegently]

I never really did the vapourizing thing-I'd just load up a bong or roll a joint, so sorry I couldn't answer that. What type of vapourizor do you use btw?

I've also got a serious tooth infection right now. I've tried root canal, but the roots are too deep to reach all the nerves, so I'm also wanting to get the thing pulled. Emergency dentists aren't all butchers; they have the same level of training as any other dentist. If it's infected, it's best to get it pulled soon; an infection will only get worse.

 

[jeremysdemo]

If it's infected, it's best to get it pulled soon; an infection will only get worse.

as I said before, the nerves eventually die.

no nerve, no pain.

I wouldn't have minded them pulling the rotten ones, but taking two perfectly good wisdom teeth behind them because of some insurance mandate? not on my watch! lol

if I die I die, let it be written on my tomb stone:

Here lies a guy who got XX years of good use off of teeth US dentist wanted to pull out!

cheers i am with the noids never had any problems like this with other drugs but ive been hospitalized twice from noids in the last couple of years yet in 20 plus years only once been hospitalized before and was a very bad lsd trip thought i was dead and had stepped outside myself lol

sorry to hear that bro,

this could be a good opportunity for harm reduction,

that is if you care to share, how and what noids sent you to ER.

and was it temporary, reversible, permanent or chronic. etc.

again, sorry it happened to you.

I've been telling people on here for two years noids ain't joke, but I don't have a story like yours to convince them.

 

[Toz]

^'noids sending people to the hospital will in 99.99% of the cases be related to the user panicking.

that is crazy. (the amount you were smoking)

It always astounds me how many people I find out were vaping this stuff and lived.

anywho, in a month or so your receptors will slowly reset and MJ should produce it's normal effect....of course that is provided you have not blown out some serious hardware.

This, in my experience, is false. Marijuana will never regain it's effect for me. But then I've smoked hundreds of grams of pure powder synthetics.

It works like all other tolerances do, you can get it down but smoke a joint or two and it will be right back where you left it so it's kind of impossible to get high on pot more than once every blue moon. I just don't bother with it anymore.

as a stated before, all or most ER cases I have read were due to acute overdoes.

I've been using AF-pb22 for 4 or 5 months now without so much as a chirp.

of course my doses are really low, and I don't vape.

a friend of mine likes to vape it despite his seizures on it, some people seem to have death a wish.

What's with the seizures I read about on the internet? Are you guys confusing it with twitching? I doubt people actually get epileptic seizures from cannabinoids, I've never or heard or seen it happen.

 

[N0 W4RN1NG]

Hey Toz, I just wanted to jump in and say that I too have had many TIMES my share of highs from powder syncans, I've been toking noids since 2009 and I still can get high off pot. But Toz speaks the truth re: tolerance. After a month without syncans, my tolerance is back to virgin level. If I avoid 'noids at that point I can smoke weed every day and get ripped. But it only takes a few hits of BB-22 and after that weed could be tobacco as far as my receptors are concerned. (Any CB binding DEFINITELY goes unnoticed)

Also, your tolerance for syncans will always hover around the highest doses you've ever been known to take regularly. Sure, my tolerance was at back at zero 2 weeks ago, and now after going through a gram of ADB-FUBINACA and BB-22 with my girlfriend, and it takes like 25mg of ADBICA to get us high. Back when my tolerance was reset a few weeks ago, 1mg of ADBICA was overwhelming.

Think about that for a second. My tolerance has escalated by a factor of at LEAST 25 in just two weeks of moderate dosing (4x a day?)

Now, this is because my tolerance has been very high previously - Tolerance does not rise nearly so quickly initially. I've smoked 50mg piles of 5F-AKB48 in the past and not gotten much of a buzz - that was a helluva wake up call.

 

[Toz]

^This is probably the truth. If I could ever manage a few months without getting high, it would probably be worth it to start smoking pot again and never touch synthetics. But then I have to be sober for a few months, which just seems unbearable at this time.

I wish I never smoked synthetics really, it feels so unnecessary harmful when there is pot that is safer. Unfortunately, I am one of few who enjoy the synthetics just as much or more than actual pot though. I think I have a problem with these drugs really, I've smoked about 250mg daily for almost a year.

 

[foolsgold]

sorry to hear that bro,

this could be a good opportunity for harm reduction,

that is if you care to share, how and what noids sent you to ER.

and was it temporary, reversible, permanent or chronic. etc.

again, sorry it happened to you.

I've been telling people on here for two years noids ain't joke, but I don't have a story like yours to convince them.

cheers yer the noids that did it were ur144 the first time that stuff is a total no no now because it makes me fit while i sleep the last one was 5f-bp22 it hit with out warning i was fine buzzing away total couch lock then bang nick thing room full of people coppers paramedics the works .

as for the damage that's a wait and see thing its sure done something but as to the extent who know as of yet

 

[jeremysdemo]

cheers yer the noids that did it were ur144 the first time that stuff is a total no no now because it makes me fit while i sleep the last one was 5f-bp22 it hit with out warning i was fine buzzing away total couch lock then bang nick thing room full of people coppers paramedics the works .

as for the damage that's a wait and see thing its sure done something but as to the extent who know as of yet

i am not entirely convinced what you had was AF-22, but then again I have only done moderately low does, 4-8mg.

I've never had couch lock off of it, quite the opposite effect, energetic, if anything insomnia. (unless mixed with alcohol)

I can vouch for the seizures, twitching or whatever people call it as that is what my buddy says happens when he vaps pure powder, witnesses say he was spinning around the room, flapping on the floor like a fish out of water, and this is a guy who has been vaping since JWH-018 was legal.

If you went to the hospital they would have noticed the more obvious potentials for OD damage and notified you, liver, kidneys, your numbers would have been off the charts and you would have had the symptoms they are familiar with in organ failure.

^'noids sending people to the hospital will in 99.99% of the cases be related to the user panicking.

I agree it is huge factor especially when heart related issues arise, but I'd hardly attribute organ failure due to acute overdoes or long term abuse as a panic effect.

you have to actually read all the ER reports, and there are many, and read the diagnosis' the doctors have made based on abnormal blood results etc.

This, in my experience, is false. Marijuana will never regain it's effect for me. But then I've smoked hundreds of grams of pure powder synthetics.

well there is scientific literature that begs to differ, in it you may find the mechanism for cannabinoid receptors to naturally reset to base level over time exist, if you would like I could look it up for you and provide a link.

What's with the seizures I read about on the internet? Are you guys confusing it with twitching? I doubt people actually get epileptic seizures from cannabinoids, I've never or heard or seen it happen.

I don't know what is with it, I doubt people have any reason to make such things up tho, and I trust the people whom have had them and whom have witnessed them that I personally know.

I found it odd at first myself and thought maybe some other drug was also being used and interactions where occurring, but the subjects in question have decided to continue vaping powder in isolated circumstances and the same effect was achieved and observed.