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Many people think getting paranoid when smoking weed is a beginner's effect
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Not at all. I blazed heavily for years; now I have to take it easy or I get the fear. Sane with a few of my friends- seems that starting young, going hard and doing MDMA might all make it more likely.
 
Synthetic Cannabis vs. Marijuana (Long-term effects)

I've used both marijuana and synthetic cannabis (K2, Spice, etc.) and was wondering (since there seems to be absolutely no research done on synthetic cannabis yet, according to Erowid) if anyone can provide input on the long-term effects of synthetic cannabis as opposed to marijuana. Has anyone personally experienced negative long-term effects from synthetic cannabis that are otherwise absent from the long-term effects they experience (if any) from marijuana?

The reason I ask is because I've used both and have experienced really no side effects from synthetic cannabis that are particularly annoying or harmful. I don't use K2/Spice or anything anymore because I feel like there will soon be a reason not to use them, but synthetic cannabis does have some pragmatic advantages, such as a short high (for me, its an advantage), no red eyes, etc.

So, do any bluelighters have any semi-long-term (as synthetic cannabis seems relatively new) experience with K2 or Spice, and can share some of the negatives that are not present with regular pot smoking?

Thanks,

unit4216
 
What is your definition of long term?
The JWH's have not been around long enough for any 'long term' research to have been done on them.

For their advantages, you could smoke less for a shorter high, and either put in eyedrops or smoke a Indica if you don't want red eyes.
The negative effects of synthetic cannabinoids make it much more worth it to just smoke cannabis. Everyone is different, and you never know how your body will react to a certain chemical, especially over the long term.
 
freehugs said:
What is your definition of long term?
The JWH's have not been around long enough for any 'long term' research to have been done on them.

For their advantages, you could smoke less for a shorter high, and either put in eyedrops or smoke a Indica if you don't want red eyes.
The negative effects of synthetic cannabinoids make it much more worth it to just smoke cannabis. Everyone is different, and you never know how your body will react to a certain chemical, especially over the long term.
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By long-term, I guess I really just meant ~5 years. According to Wikipedia, synthetic cannabis has been around since the early 2000s, so really, I meant just about anyone who had been smoking it since then.

Also, indica doesn't make you have red eyes? I've been smoking for a while, and I didn't know that. Huh. Good thing I joined Bluelight.

But yeah, I wanted to know if anyone had any specific experience with the negatives of using synthetic cannabis, like their uni grades started to go down and the like.

Thanks, though.
 
Yeah Sativas and smoke coming in contact with your eyes are the main culprits behind that.
Good luck with your search though.
 
Personally, I've never smoked weed that didn't make my eyes blood red. I think that's a physiological issue on my part, though... eye drops always clear up my eyes, but it's impossible to get rid of the pink/purple puffiness that afflicts my eyelids when I smoke any kind of bud.
 
Jibult said:
Personally, I've never smoked weed that didn't make my eyes blood red. I think that's a physiological issue on my part, though... eye drops always clear up my eyes, but it's impossible to get rid of the pink/purple puffiness that afflicts my eyelids when I smoke any kind of bud.
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Then you could possibly never have smoked a pure indica/ high indica hybrid. I'm lucky enough to live in a place where I can choose what strain I want to buy, but maybe its not the same for you.

And also, I used to have exactly the same effects that you have (pink/puffyness) until I started smoking indicas.
 
I prefer indicas over sativas. I respect my growers knowledge as to what he's providing me, and the high always reflects his description of the kind of weed he's selling me. That said, it's not an official or legal operation he's got going on-- there's no quality control other than how well he takes care of his plants.

I'm confident that I've smoked indica-dominant strains, but never pure-indica. I could be wrong on that, however... but my eyes get Hell Fire-red every time I smoke any kind of weed, from brown, no-named shwag to medicinal-quality, illegal grow operation exotic/loud. Again, the strain names of what I've smoked are solely based on what my connect tells me... however, I do feel I'm knowledgeable enough on the very different effects of indica-dominant herb compared to sativa-dominant, and as such I reiterate that I'm 100% confident I smoke and prefer indica-dominant weed.



You could be right, though. There is the possibility that my knowledge is twisted, my grower/dealers a con artist and I've been misled for years by a person I trust to the fullest.


[edit: I'd also like to point out that I can't recall ever having crystal clear, white eyes, and my eyelids are generally a bit puffy even when I'm sober. Alcohol also makes the red-pigment much worse. That's why I think it's more of a physiological issue on my part rather than a paradoxical effect of the drug.]
 
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Sounds like you know your shit. I wouldn't doubt that you're getting indicas. What do you use to smoke though? Like I said, another major player is smoke irritation. But yeah now that you say that it sounds like that could be the culprit. Oh well, a little bit of red eyes never hurt anybody :)
 
freehugs said:
Sounds like you know your shit. I wouldn't doubt that you're getting indicas. What do you use to smoke though? Like I said, another major player is smoke irritation. But yeah now that you say that it sounds like that could be the culprit. Oh well, a little bit of red eyes never hurt anybody :)
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Mainly blunts these days, can't keep any glass in the house or smoke in the house. Right now, though, I'm not smoking anything. Just caught a few charges and start drug classes this week, go to court on the 29th... Gotta have my piss clean for that bullshit.

Now that you mention smoke irritation, though, I tend to have my eyes closed when I take a hit because smoke gets in my eyes so damn much. I never really took that into account when it comes to the redness, though... I was never good with common sense, always a book-smart kind of guy, lol.
 
^ the point may be moot now that you're no longer smoking the preferred cannabinoids, but blunts have ALWAYS made my eyes red.. If you use glass, you could adjust how you're holding the pipe. I used to have a sherlock that let smoke get in my eyes all the time up until one day a friend told me that I was holding it below my face. He went on to describe that smoke (like the vapor from onions) generally travels in a straight line up, so it'll only bother you if your face/eyes are right above it.
Also I'd never noticed that about indicas either! Those puffy purple eyelids were always my biggest tell.
 
The thread titled "Synthetic Cannabis vs. Marijuana (Long-term effects)"? I'll let you figure that one out.
 
Does anyone know- have any of the synthetics been shown/thought to cause an increased libido?
 
not to my knowledge, but i imagine if you find cannabis to increase your libido you will probably have similar effects from many synth cannaboids
 
Are all the synthetic canabinoids illegal now?

hi all,I guess this question has probably been beat into the ground but I can't seem to find any conclusives anywhere,Are all the synthetics now illegal?I've never tried any of them so I don't know one from another,there are so many scams and shams out there that its hard to trust anything you see on a web search,I figure BL would be the best place to ask such a question,if this is in the wrong forum please excuse me,bluelight is a big place!!,thanks
 
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