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[MEGA]Synthetic Cannabinoid Discussion- 2nd Toke
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jeremysdemo
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I certainly have not implied in any way that you are lying, in fact if you read my post correctly I say quiet explicitly that "I'm not saying eLeSaH is lying" and go on to explain the other possibilities as to why you are getting such a trippy effect off of so little a dose.
I also went into some detail admitting that the term "trippy" has different meanings in different subcultures which could also be the reason we are not experiencing the same effect, to go further it's quiet possible we are experiencing the same effect our method of defining those observances is different, you've also used the term psychedelic and later go on to clarify in this post not psychedelic like other things, so we got to give the reader a bit of a curve here until we are all on the same page in definitions.
no, in a bit I will go into some detail as to reasons people take larger doses that are not always tied to a tolerance level.
Now I don't believe that, but there is as you mentioned tolerance differences that could account the great gap in dosage, although at this point it looks to just be a simple communication error, for example, some people have reported full blown psychedelics effects off of some of these JWH destinations, not just a body buzz (like I described with the microdots) but otherworldly travel comparable to LSD.
I too am no fan of body high, prefer the crisp mental but functional stimulation which is what attracted me to JWH-250 in the first place after reading countless testimonials of it's comparability to MJ (more specifically the MJ of the early 80's at about 5~7%. The problem with JWH-250 (and many other synthetic cannabinoids) is the early drop off of the high the threshold at which a high can be sustain for any greater length of time. The solution is to find a JWH ones body chemistry can withstand at higher doses (without panic attacks, trouble breathing, heart palpitations etc etc) to achieve a longer effect.
For many people JWH-250 was that destination, I gave the description of me using 200mg in a sitting with NO noticeable side effects not because my tolerance is up that high to get a buzz, but to demonstrate how far I was able to go, which resulted in a much longer high (about 2&1/2 hours) and still function, no trippiness, no body buzz (besides maybe the reoccurring urge to burp but that's normal response) and none of the other very terrifying results from other JWH destination at even 1/4 of that does (ESPECIALLY JWH-018 which you describe quiet differently)
and I recommend the opposite, especially with ones like JWH-250 as they do not vape well, much of it rolls off, pound for pound you are going to get much more distance out of Spice, the smoke is smooth (at least the way I make it will all natural and organic materials)....and you can hold it in as long as you like allowing a greater amount to be absorbed.
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What do you mean with it rolls off? I actually never had problems with vaping and could hold it in as long as I want. I also made a blend with 250 and 081. It was a one hitter but I could have used the chemical in it way more efficient. I made it just for some friends who didnt want to vape because of the optical aspect of looking like smoking crack or what.
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Some people vape off of tin foil (although I would not suggest this due to it's link to Alzheimer's) from which it bubbles rolls off and form brown patches on the surface.
Still others infuse it with Damiana (as previously described) and vape off of a light bulb like apparatus with a container around it that contains all the smoke that is produced, and even as you describe some use a crack pipe like device (which I'm assuming requires some sort of ash with brillo or something to put in front of the stem?)
again it all comes down to communication, what each person means by vape and how the different methods produce different results.
When you initially reported psychedelic and trippy effects from basically minimal doses of JWH-250 by vaping, we see how many ways that could be mis-interpreted by a reader, since then we have determined what type of effect is being described how that differs from traditional psychedelic experiences and what method you are using for consumption.
The only thing that has not been determined at this point is why you had the adverse reactions normally associated with other JWH compounds (like JWH-018 ) with 250 and why there are so few other reports on the net of similar experiences and so many reporting the opposite that 250 is well received by the endocannbinoid system with little or no adverse effects even at extremely high doses.
That's what makes it suspect that you really didn't receive 250 in your order, the vendors are under no obligation to send you what you paid for in fact substitution is most likely common for small orders when the amount ordered is lower than the cost of testing it for purity.
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Don't worry, it was JWH-250.
You mean the physical side effects? I heard it's because of vasodilation and that the heart works more and I actually gained in two weeks daily JWH-250 nearly ten kilos. Munchies but unhealthy :D
I didn't use it properly. Now I think one should maybe just do it on the weekends or at least not daily. After 250 I tried 122 and it also had a little of that component but the duration was longer and comeup also longer. 250's big positive is the rushing comeup. Like back then my people had laugh flashs after 15 or 20 Seconds when they exhaled. :D Pretty funny thing because initially they say they dont feel shit but then *giggle* :D
You mean the physical side effects? I heard it's because of vasodilation and that the heart works more and I actually gained in two weeks daily JWH-250 nearly ten kilos. Munchies but unhealthy :D
I didn't use it properly. Now I think one should maybe just do it on the weekends or at least not daily. After 250 I tried 122 and it also had a little of that component but the duration was longer and comeup also longer. 250's big positive is the rushing comeup. Like back then my people had laugh flashs after 15 or 20 Seconds when they exhaled. :D Pretty funny thing because initially they say they dont feel shit but then *giggle* :D
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jerm, i've got over 60 grams of synthetic ~98% pure product... tolerance is INDEED the ONLY reason I have for smoking the dosages I have.
To be honest I don't experience much at all from smoking JWH anymore. I kinda stopped using it for a long while, I guess I could return to it. I wouldn't report any trippy effects from any synths i've tried, i would say it's a lot like cannabis if blended correctly (i like -081 -73 -250 -251 and majority -018 together)... nothing like acid, shrooms, or 2cs.
Also I know about bonding synths to plant matter, i made a video guide on how to do it before the designer drug scene even really blew up.
To be honest I don't experience much at all from smoking JWH anymore. I kinda stopped using it for a long while, I guess I could return to it. I wouldn't report any trippy effects from any synths i've tried, i would say it's a lot like cannabis if blended correctly (i like -081 -73 -250 -251 and majority -018 together)... nothing like acid, shrooms, or 2cs.
Also I know about bonding synths to plant matter, i made a video guide on how to do it before the designer drug scene even really blew up.
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Okay sooo here is my story. I smoked Dead Man Walking and was super high. The second time all the undesirable effects seemed to have come, along with some new good ones. Paranoia/Panic attacks, shortness of breath, and the hallucinations, which, well, werent bad at all, upset stomach, blah blah blah. I've smoked maybe 12 blunts of k2 in my life time and stopped when 2 weeks ago I went outside @ 2 in the morning to pick up a prescription and 2 ambulances passed by me. The flashing red lights were soo beautiful... entrancing... and then i felt my body jerk and twitch and felt a sharp pain in my head. I had to look away quickly because it felt like I was having a Seizure. I smoke weed only now... but still am getting some k2 side effects. Increased Euphoria (epsecially in my legs and hands), eyes rolling half way to the back of my head, upset stomach... aqnd its everytime I smoke weed. I guess my question is, Even though I am no longer smoking k2, am I putting myself @ risk for seizures still.
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Sounds like it. I'd stop smoking synth pre packed blends.
And about -073's taste, i've never smoked the pure powder in any joint, and my plant material is always a mix. On the end of a cig it has a slight flavor but I wouldn't say it's much different then the rest in that regard.
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i've been smoking this weed but have recently switched over to the available hash coming from the same produce. The hash is giving me the desired cognitive effects without any anxiety/paranoia which i commonly get from the buds. The anxiety I get from smoking weed is related to an uncomfortable physical feeling emanating from my core, my body is kind of laid out after burning a lot of strong buds. However this feeling is absent after smoking hash. The high is much more lucid, and strain isn't a factor because I've smoked the buds from the same plant. I think it's related to the purity of what I'm smoking in terms of a higher ratio of active chemicals to harmful plant matter combustion products seen in the hash.
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wow it was different with me especially with 122, but that might also be dosage related in that it was very hard to resist the urge to nap on 122, I did find tho if you tried hard enough and pressed on through it you enjoyed a 1/2 decent buzz, unfortunately for me tho 122 gave me the anxiety/racing heart/trouble breathing (around 30mg) so it was a bust as far as trying higher doses that would make the high last longer and explore the depth of the psychotropic abilities.
I look at the synthetics cannabinoids the same as I would prescription drugs, pretending there is a label on it that says "if you experience any of these symptoms discontinue use and contact a medical professional immediately", and I can honestly see why the surgeon general or whomever is in Washington is touting "there is no known medical use for these" so many of them have such an odd threshold, too little and you barely get the beneficial effect, too much and with some of them you risk serious health problems (even low doses like 20mg), produce all different variety of ill effects.
I think part of the reason is the way in which our endocannabinoid system is wired, it's like a tease to just give it a little JWH of any destination toking small doses every 45 minutes or so giving your body an Anamadine roller-coaster to deal with, the inbetweens (extreme high and extreme low) is where the heart problems and raised adrenaline come in, it disrupts all of the normal balances in the system, however at larger doses some of them last for hours are absorbed gradually and the body is able to slowly adjust to the more gradual step up that plateau's and stays there for a while (about 2 hours) before gradually dropping, the only downside to that is the withdrawal symptoms at such high levels which could potentially be dangerous even deadly so a patient has to step down like any other concentrated pharmaceutical when coming off of it.
Anyway most of us in the heavy machinery industries only used these synthetic cannabinoids because they were legal and MJ was not, however that may one day be the opposite if upcoming legislation is any indication so it will be the end of an era, it was good run while it lasted tho, a good run.
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so you were never curious as to why some synthetics are tolerable in higher doses and others give adverse effects in much lower amounts?
well I would, report trippy effects, I had some really odd reactions to 210, and 122, especially when combined, and at ridiculously low levels no less, all kinda of strange pulses like the substances were building up and releasing with each heart beat, scary shit, and no actual visual hallucinations like leprechauns or smurfs but as if space and time were altered so a definite disconnect going on in perception and the visual cortex, vision got real grainy to like an old back and white TV while some terrifying thoughts racing throughout the head with intensity making me drop to me knees and cry out "Sweet Jesus have mercy I'm coming to join ya" ...I would categorize that as a bad trip and out of all my buddies in high school that did acid together I was the only one who ever didn't have a bad trip so this was a precedence for me anyway, especially when it comes to terrifying imagery/sounds/thoughts in the brain which I rather enjoyed in my teens like being in a Steven king movie while my friends were hiding in closets from shit that wasn't even there! lol
I would consider that an accidental overdoes but it did change the whole way I researched JWH destination, treating each one differently regardless of my tolerance for one, starting really low dosages and working my way gradually up (this after reading many reviews FIRST to know if it is even something that is going to produce what I was interested in, a nice long lasting mellow buzz comparable to 80's mid's (5-7% THC and a little 4% CBD)
due tell.
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I would say chill out on everything for a while (once you have safely stepped down your intake of cannabinoids) the body has an amazing ability to repair itself and you probable messed up your endocannabinoid system pretty bad by smoking that commercial crap, the good news is if it's caused by an imbalance over time the body will adjust and correct it which in a few months or so you could be back to normal as far as that system goes, the bad news is you consumption of MJ may need to be avoided for a bit to allow your body to stabilize everything back to a normal level.
The symptoms you are describing can also be a response to toxicity of mold sometimes found in MJ, so I would investigate that a bit to see if your hooch is tainted, certain molds will cause seizures when smoked (look for white dots on the bud and smell it for any odd odor) until then I wouldn't rule it out, but most likely your endocannabinod system and resulting Anamadine levels are out of wack(which help regulate all sorts of functions including but not limited to digestion, spinal chord/motor functions/pleasure centers in the brain) that would explain the upset stomach and feeling in the legs and hands.
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I know... My friend and I smoked some k2 sex like 3 weeks ago, but he warned me a little bit too late about smoking that generic crap
Awww man... how long will I have to give up MJ for?! That is wack. Im not accustomed with boycotting my weed. I looked @ a few vids describing the ECS and its a little disturbing that its been compromised by the pre-made blends.
Okay...I have smoked two different blends lately, both impressive, but in completely different ways. One was extremely fast-acting (as in, I could feel its effects before taking even a second toke- and this happened every time I smoked it), very intense (occasionally fear-inducing, always very heavy and artificial feeling) and lasted no longer than 15-20 minutes. The other blend takes much longer to take effect (upwards of 5-7 minutes), is much more of a head-high (eliciting the much sought-after profound revelations that require me to have a pen and notepad handy), is generally more enjoyable, and lasts for a much longer duration -- sometimes its effects will linger for 60-75 minutes or more.
Yes, I know...clearly "blends" have been demonised for their impurities, potency, price, etc. but I have to wait about 2 more weeks before having access to ordering any RCs. My question is, can anyone attempt to hazard a guess at which RCs these blends contain based on the effects I described? Or perhaps at least try to link those effects to distinct RCs that are still legal in the US (ruling out JWH-018,-073,-200, CP47,497, & HU-210)?
Yes, I know...clearly "blends" have been demonised for their impurities, potency, price, etc. but I have to wait about 2 more weeks before having access to ordering any RCs. My question is, can anyone attempt to hazard a guess at which RCs these blends contain based on the effects I described? Or perhaps at least try to link those effects to distinct RCs that are still legal in the US (ruling out JWH-018,-073,-200, CP47,497, & HU-210)?
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Not enough details, and even so i would imagine it would be hard to guess, as some symptoms are very common as well as some probably being unique to you. Heed the lesson im learning the hard way. Im all fucked up from smoking those blends which are probably sprayed with god knows what.
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I wasn't really trying to id anything specific... I know the rules... I was simply asking what substances haven't been banned and are still common...
I've already tried to id what was in the ones I smoked but to no avail... so I was planning on researching the substances that are still available and perhaps just ordering the pure form from an rc supplier...
Baiscly just wanna know what's out there since the jwh-018, 073 whatever etc. ban that made them start putting the sickers on them saying they don't contain any...
I've already tried to id what was in the ones I smoked but to no avail... so I was planning on researching the substances that are still available and perhaps just ordering the pure form from an rc supplier...
Baiscly just wanna know what's out there since the jwh-018, 073 whatever etc. ban that made them start putting the sickers on them saying they don't contain any...
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Haha yea I noticed that shortly after id posted it... I'm retarded lol 