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[MEGA]Synthetic Cannabinoid Discussion- 2nd Toke

I'd say you can't compare any cannabinoid with JWH-250. It seems to be the only one which is psychedelic if you have no tolerance. But this effect goes away if you do it daily.
I don't know how to describe the effects, if its called dissociative or what. So basically it was like beeing somewhere else. There was this feeling. And I had quite some time where it felt like something soft is moving in my mouth. Like something is massaging my tongue. And it was like: Let's say you sit straight. While sitting perfectly straight it felt like falling backwards out of the body. So my feeling of my body was hanging out of my physical body. Also I had my first visuals ever with JWH-250. It was like everything looks like Nintendo and 3D. I hope this strange description helps somehow. I'd say if you don't want to smoke pot, vape JWH-250 BUT not daily. When I used it daily: 1) the good effects were gone, 2) after some time the vasodilation lets the heart work and the next day I would have a little hangover in the morning.

The combination with 4-ho-met is otherworldly and indescribable so I won't even try to describe it. You need to do it yourself.
care to comment on the dosage taken and weight of the subject?

other people have taken up to .2G (200mg) in a sitting and no such hallucinatory effect was achieved.

what lab or technique did you use to confirm the chemical was JWH-250?

if there is any JWH destination that one could reach the potency for hallucinatory effects from it would stand to reason 250 would be one since it does not produce the heart palpitations and heavy chest/panic/anxiety other destinations give a subject even at lower levels, still there is a huge danger in taking any synthetic cannabinoids at such high doses, not even going to get into the withdraw risk and toxicology of it till we know doses.

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Mate is getting a 1g of a new mix, with an order, of *snip* UK's lab made 'X', this is typical Damiana infused with a dose of AM2201 and AM694.

I would be extremely careful in consuming any commercial swags out there for the simple reason that with all the bans vendors are using less and less synthetic cannabinoids in their spice mixes and more synthetic opioids (like MPPP's "commercial name ZZ-1" for example) along with god knows what else.
The main problem with these mixes are:

1. you don't know the potency (how much of the actual substance is mixed at what ratio to the substrate (damiana).
2. without knowing the ratio of the mixture it is impossible to calculate doses consumed, let alone know what a safe dose would be.
3. you don't know what all is actually in the blend and the vendor has no responsibility to make sure it is not life threatening nor disclose what all is in it.

Don't get me wrong I am completely against the governments purposeful propaganda to use cases of abuse of RC's by minors as justification to take the rights of mature responsible adults away, but there are times when those adults are not acting responsibly when it comes to RC's too, after all they are dangerous concentrated substances not just "pot like" material so some amount of caution should be exercised, I cannot over emphasis that enough.

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care to comment on the dosage taken and weight of the subject?

other people have taken up to .2G (200mg) in a sitting and no such hallucinatory effect was achieved.

what lab or technique did you use to confirm the chemical was JWH-250?

if there is any JWH destination that one could reach the potency for hallucinatory effects from it would stand to reason 250 would be one since it does not produce the heart palpitations and heavy chest/panic/anxiety other destinations give a subject even at lower levels, still there is a huge danger in taking any synthetic cannabinoids at such high doses, not even going to get into the withdraw risk and toxicology of it till we know doses.

jerm %)

I dont know what those "other people" took or if they had a murder tolerance. :P So I can't say anything on that but you can search for "JWH-250 trippy" on Google and you'll find enough reports confirming this trippy feeling. It is really great. I mean you are talking about 200mg, common. :D That would be a traumatic panic attack or heart attack directly for me. I actually can't even think how someone vapes 200mg. So I'd say they had something else. Just also look at the older trip reports, who knows what goes on on the market. I mean you can't really supress a cannabinoid OD. If the anxiety is there, it is there and goes away slowly. 200mg is 40x the dosage...

There is no technnique, just the trust to the vendor, which I know for quite some time. I tried different cannabinoids. It is a cannabinoid but looks like it also works on some other receptors. The anxiety is still there if you OD. I used 5mg and I didn't even use it alone. My friends confirmed it always. We weren't daily smokers at that time so no tolerance.

There are those problems with hearth palpitations or heavy chest/panic/anxiety feelings if you use it a) alone b) daily c) binging because the plateau is gone after 20 minutes. Moderation is the key word but really the hardest with this one I'd say. Withdrawal is just like any other cannabinoid or weed. Just get past the three days and it's done.

Still I say it's the queen of cannabinoids. It's not just about the intensity of cannabinoid effects. It's also about how pleaseant it is. I mean 018 always crashed me like a train but it never had trippy components. Maybe just the high headspace and thought structure. But never semi breakthrough like subjective feelings.

edit: I actually remember now, why I quit doing JWH-250. I was binging it and later this heart feelings were too much for me. BP was also playing around so I thought it's better to stop. It was nice anyway and I'm thinking of buying a G again with some friends.
 
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I dont know what those "other people" took or if they had a murder tolerance. :P So I can't say anything on that but you can search for "JWH-250 trippy" on Google and you'll find enough reports confirming this trippy feeling. It is really great. I mean you are talking about 200mg, common. :D That would be a traumatic panic attack or heart attack directly for me. I actually can't even think how someone vapes 200mg. So I'd say they had something else. Just also look at the older trip reports, who knows what goes on on the market. I mean you can't really supress a cannabinoid OD. If the anxiety is there, it is there and goes away slowly. 200mg is 40x the dosage...

I smoke it in a way that it has more effect (mixed with damiana and everclear in a spice blend) so 1G of JWH-250 with 400ml of Everclear and 10G of damiana.

Smoke two grams of the damiana and you have a .2G (200mg) dose, no heart problems, no anxiety, but also no hallucinatory effect either.

The JWH-250 was tested and confirmed to be 97% pure at a DEA registered lab.

I have no doubt there is going to be a connection on Google between 250 and trippy (there is a lot of government propaganda and sensational articles out their too) but I have great doubt that any of these were actually lab confirmed uses of high grade 250, especially when my own results with much higher doses confirm quiet the opposite.

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Lol dude thats no accurate dosage describtion. Go ahead and vape the powder. Who knows how much JWH-250 you actually use. Try and vape 5mg and try dosing up to 20 istead of 200mg and then you can decide again :D
 
there is no way you are consuming 200mg per toke of any JWH series. That's a whole shit ton of powder.

My epic dosages still fall within the range of 70-120mg - 250 is pretty easy to handle IMO.
 
had a panic/anxiety attack the other day,
But it was obvious,
I dont smoke it often and i rolled it for 2 (forgot this)
so i smoked too much, was a dysphoric time,

Where as tonight, i put in less, im nicely done , No real anxiety,

Dnb is on,.. I like liquid dnb better
 
I would advise you to stay away from the meth...I used meth IV for years while I was driving truck.. It effects some people in ways that you could not imagine.. especially after being awake for 2 - 3 or more days. My record is 6 .. Yeah, pretty stupid. Anyway, the point I'm making is that meth can bring out little mental flaws that people didn't know they had...
 
I smoked for 4 years, i've quit/taken a break for 4 months now. I've smoked 3 times since i've quit on one off occasions but it just went straight back to that social anxiety. Always looking at the floor, not following conversation. I spoke to a friend about it and he said he went through the same thing. He did what I'm doing and gave me some advise to help when I decide to toke again so here it is:

Stoned people are alright, stoned groups of people pick up on each others small levels of paranoia and all get a little paranoid and anxious. This then becomes a massive problem for someone, hence don't smoke in groups (5+) of people.

Secondly choose who you smoke with. When I reflect on this personally I remember the best times I've had on weed have been with really chilled and calm people. If someone is worrying about something you'll pick up on it through their body language and it will become your problem as well. Without trying to sound like a hippy, find those people with good vibes.

Next don't get back in to your old routine of getting high just to get high. Back when we all started smoking weed it was to have fun. But at some point along the way weed wasn't so fun by itself so we did things while we were stoned. Then some point after that there was nothing to do, more accurately, nothing we could be bothered to do. The point is smoke weed when your doing something, even if it's silly little kids games like duck duck goose, it's good because it keeps your mind alert and your body active meaning your thoughts won't drift off into that negative realm.

Lastly a lot of people get anxious or paranoid because of the thought of others looking at them and realizing their stoned. You need to work out a thought process which gets you out of that rabbit hole. Something like 'This isn't me, this is the weed. People don't give a shit if i'm high, and if they don't give a shit, I don't give a shit.' Try avoiding asking yourselves questions in your head when doing this cause we all know stoned questions lead to more questions which leads to negative analysis.
 
I would be extremely careful in consuming any commercial swags out there for the simple reason that with all the bans vendors are using less and less synthetic cannabinoids in their spice mixes and more synthetic opioids (like MPPP's "commercial name ZZ-1" for example) along with god knows what else.

I haven't been staying up on issues and RCs, but people are using MPPP now? Is that not similar to MTPT?

Anyways, I am also wondering how the "blend market" has reacted since the ban? Are new blends out? Are they still as available as they used to be? Like sold at tobacco shops?

I am currently on a sabbatical and am just curious. I am a Sociology major, so it is always interesting to see the effects of laws on society.
 
^ I think jerm might've gotten a little confused. Although I agree with him on everything else, the MPPP that ZZ-1 is supposed to be is actually a different MPPP. I believe they're referring to an α-PPP analog (I asked them to give a systematic name), 4'-Methyl-α-pyrrolidinopropiophenone (MPPP) rather than the MTPT analog, 1-Methyl-4-phenyl-4-propionoxypiperidine (MPPP, or Desmethylprodine).

Although ZZ-1 is being touted as a "water soluble cannabinoid" I've also seen it being sold as 2-(methylamino)-1-phenylpentan-1-one or Pentedrone (this confusion was later explained to me that Pentedrone had been mislabelled as MPPP then shipped out to be sold under the trade name ZZ-1).
I haven't seen the MTPT analog available since infamous incident... on the other hand, I haven't been looking since then either. I wouldn't doubt that synthetic opioids are being sold in these blends, but I haven't seen or read any examples of this yet. The stronger CB2 agonists may also be producing opioid-like effects from downstream release of endogenous opioids.

There always seem to be new blends coming out, but in my experience with American shops they tend to sell reblends of the same chemicals they're used to until they become illegal.
 
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There was a very large raid in my county a few days ago. Quite a few shop owners received either possession or intent to deliver controlled substance charges. I will put up an article in the media section. I just heard about it now.
 
Almost all of the ones in the smoke shops around here have stickers on them claiming no jwh-(and lists a few different numbers) and then says its 50 state compliant herbal incense not for human consumption...

What are they putting in the 50 state legal ones now that the jwh's have been banned? I've got a couple different kinda and idk... I think ill just stick to herb... much better imo... but I've never had a jwh that I know of... I don't even know what I have had... I looked online and couldn't even find the same "brand"... so I'm not asking to help me identify what's in the ones I've tried I'm just curious if anyone knows what they're now using instead... possibly just random herbs and spices... lol... I've never got very high from smoking any
 
there is no way you are consuming 200mg per toke of any JWH series. That's a whole shit ton of powder.

My epic dosages still fall within the range of 70-120mg - 250 is pretty easy to handle IMO.

well it's a good thing I didn't say that then.

it is possible to consume 220mg in one sitting tho, using the aforementioned prescribed method, dissolved in everclear and bonded to 2G of Damiana, you simply put the 2grams of damiana in a black-n-mild or some other blunt and smoke to your hearts content.

I would say on average it takes me about 7~9 puffs till I am down to the plastic tip of the cigar in about a 2~3min time period.

I have found other reports of "trippy" effects, of course that term seems to have developed a different meaning since the 80's when I "tripped", in other words it's now associated with slight visual inconsistency and not full blown hallucinations. So anything that causes a delay in the visual processing making things out of focus or out of timing is considered "trippy" so I guess if you get hit in the back of the head for a moment you are tripping....not the same as an actual psychedelic trip you would have on say mushrooms or LSD, that can last for hours and be terrifyingly intense is some cases.
The closest I came to anything like that was with JWH-018 and that was more of a body trip than any kind of mental voyage into a visual wonderland kinda like microdots effects as they are just kicking in, also most of the reports I did find were people experienced even the visual disconnect be called "trippy" were in subjects that mixed JWH-250 with JWH-018 or others.

So you say you were able to go up to 120mg in a dose? can you confirm or describe any "trippy" effects at that dosage?

I'm not saying eLeSaH is lying but a report of tripping off of only .05mg of JWH-250 but it certainly leaves one wondering with the vast majority of other shared experiences reporting nothing of the sort (including myself) off of much higher does.
Couple that with eLeSaH's experience report about JWH-018 that is in much contradiction to not only my own experience but that reported (it is reported to have a intense trippy body effect) which eLeSaH's says "never had trippy components" it's almost like the two substances were somehow switched in their lab, eLeSaH reports "hearth palpitations or heavy chest/panic/anxiety feelings" off even what I would consider low levels of JWH-250 but yet no such problem with JWH-018 (*which IMHO is notorious for that).

Still there is something about JWH compounds that is uniquely connected to each persons body chemistry at the time of consumption, that is why we have so many varying reports on what is supposed to be the same substance (not often confirmed in labs tho), so an individual also consuming 4-ho-met and other things in the days or even hours prior may have something to do with that, the endocannabinoid system can easily be put out of balance with abuse and all sorts of strange things can start to happen.

jerm %)
 
Almost all of the ones in the smoke shops around here have stickers on them claiming no jwh-(and lists a few different numbers) and then says its 50 state compliant herbal incense not for human consumption...

What are they putting in the 50 state legal ones now that the jwh's have been banned? I've got a couple different kinda and idk... I think ill just stick to herb... much better imo... but I've never had a jwh that I know of... I don't even know what I have had... I looked online and couldn't even find the same "brand"... so I'm not asking to help me identify what's in the ones I've tried I'm just curious if anyone knows what they're now using instead... possibly just random herbs and spices... lol... I've never got very high from smoking any

a few of the more popular ones have been confirmed to have JWH-081 recently which is actually being successfully prosecuted against citizens now under misinterpretation of the Federal Analog Act, quoted by one state paid forensic PHd as having "structural similarity to JWH-018" now federally banned, so if you bought any in the past few months that along with AM series compounds were most likely what were in them.

However, manufacturers are actually now switching to other non-cannabinoid substances like "lab-made enzyme inhibitor with anti-depressant and anti-anxiety effects".

jerm %)
 
really, stay away from those pre-made packages of shit. over priced 10x and shittier then the pure product a million times over. Not to mention I have heard many credible birdies telling me about some certain waste by-products of certain synthetics being put in a certain popular blend.

just stay away from them all... making your own is super simple and worth it by an infinite amount.
 
^ I think jerm might've gotten a little confused. Although I agree with him on everything else, the MPPP that ZZ-1 is supposed to be is actually a different MPPP. I believe they're referring to an α-PPP analog (I asked them to give a systematic name), 4'-Methyl-α-pyrrolidinopropiophenone (MPPP) rather than the MTPT analog, 1-Methyl-4-phenyl-4-propionoxypiperidine (MPPP, or Desmethylprodine).

Although ZZ-1 is being touted as a "water soluble cannabinoid" I've also seen it being sold as 2-(methylamino)-1-phenylpentan-1-one or Pentedrone (this confusion was later explained to me that Pentedrone had been mislabelled as MPPP then shipped out to be sold under the trade name ZZ-1).
I haven't seen the MTPT analog available since infamous incident... on the other hand, I haven't been looking since then either. I wouldn't doubt that synthetic opioids are being sold in these blends, but I haven't seen or read any examples of this yet. The stronger CB2 agonists may also be producing opioid-like effects from downstream release of endogenous opioids.

There always seem to be new blends coming out, but in my experience with American shops they tend to sell reblends of the same chemicals they're used to until they become illegal.

http://www.adrive.com/public/1db1687c0d73e7eeb57e25607158fac20eb42a361127fe1977be75847a2644c1.html

At least one reputable chemist has gone on record saying it is not a cannabinoid but rather a "beta-ketone stimulant 4-methyl-alpha-methylpyrrolidinopropiophenone (MαPPP).

I don't know exactly how confused I am about that, only reporting what is available about the substance at the time, although I concede my reference to the generality of using the description MPPP (which encompasses many other substances) my have been a bit too vague to follow up on.

jerm %)
 
really, stay away from those pre-made packages of shit. over priced 10x and shittier then the pure product a million times over. Not to mention I have heard many credible birdies telling me about some certain waste by-products of certain synthetics being put in a certain popular blend.

just stay away from them all... making your own is super simple and worth it by an infinite amount.
Oh I agree, some horror stories I have read about impurities......eek,

Anyone who has even the slightest concern about their health and lifespan should do their research and will come to the same conclusion.

jerm %)
 
well it's a good thing I didn't say that then.

it is possible to consume 220mg in one sitting tho, using the aforementioned prescribed method, dissolved in everclear and bonded to 2G of Damiana, you simply put the 2grams of damiana in a black-n-mild or some other blunt and smoke to your hearts content.

I would say on average it takes me about 7~9 puffs till I am down to the plastic tip of the cigar in about a 2~3min time period.

I have found other reports of "trippy" effects, of course that term seems to have developed a different meaning since the 80's when I "tripped", in other words it's now associated with slight visual inconsistency and not full blown hallucinations. So anything that causes a delay in the visual processing making things out of focus or out of timing is considered "trippy" so I guess if you get hit in the back of the head for a moment you are tripping....not the same as an actual psychedelic trip you would have on say mushrooms or LSD, that can last for hours and be terrifyingly intense is some cases.
The closest I came to anything like that was with JWH-018 and that was more of a body trip than any kind of mental voyage into a visual wonderland kinda like microdots effects as they are just kicking in, also most of the reports I did find were people experienced even the visual disconnect be called "trippy" were in subjects that mixed JWH-250 with JWH-018 or others.

So you say you were able to go up to 120mg in a dose? can you confirm or describe any "trippy" effects at that dosage?

I'm not saying eLeSaH is lying but a report of tripping off of only .05mg of JWH-250 but it certainly leaves one wondering with the vast majority of other shared experiences reporting nothing of the sort (including myself) off of much higher does.
Couple that with eLeSaH's experience report about JWH-018 that is in much contradiction to not only my own experience but that reported (it is reported to have a intense trippy body effect) which eLeSaH's says "never had trippy components" it's almost like the two substances were somehow switched in their lab, eLeSaH reports "hearth palpitations or heavy chest/panic/anxiety feelings" off even what I would consider low levels of JWH-250 but yet no such problem with JWH-018 (*which IMHO is notorious for that).

Still there is something about JWH compounds that is uniquely connected to each persons body chemistry at the time of consumption, that is why we have so many varying reports on what is supposed to be the same substance (not often confirmed in labs tho), so an individual also consuming 4-ho-met and other things in the days or even hours prior may have something to do with that, the endocannabinoid system can easily be put out of balance with abuse and all sorts of strange things can start to happen.

jerm %)


Where did you read, that anyone said that 50µg (.05mg) was used? Noone. So why trying putting words im my mouth and implying that I'm lying.
Let's look what other people say about the dosage.

Your dosage: 200mg (who knows how much you actually use, stuff vapes away etc)

My dosage: 5mg.

Others from an experience thread on dose taken:

6.5 mg followed by 4.7 mg
Dosage: 5-10mg
dose: 1.34 mg give or take .03
5mg
dose taken: 4.4mg x 5 times over 4 hours=
Dose: ~5mg
Dose taken: 15-20mg
dose taken 3-10mg vaped
10 mg
10 mg


"So you say you were able to go up to 120mg in a dose? can you confirm or describe any "trippy" effects at that dosage?"
Lol so if he was already at 120mg, don't you think he has already tolerance? :D

Why are you lying that I said 50µg and looks like people already confirmed it long ago that dosages in that area are correct. Drugs work different on everybody. Maybe you have super receptors :D

"Couple that with eLeSaH's experience report about JWH-018 that is in much contradiction to not only my own experience but that reported (it is reported to have a intense trippy body effect) which eLeSaH's says "never had trippy components""

I don't care about positive body effects of cannabinoids, I like the head high. I call your body trips bodyload. I don't like any body effects. And all cannabinoids have a body feeling somehow. I described you already what I meant by trippy. Can't describe it better for you. If it doesn't work for you, your luck. And sure, it's never comparable to other psychedelics, I didn't say I was tripping balls or something like that. I said it has a trippy component. I'm not talking about anything in the range of Tryptamines or other Psychedelics. I would say it's more in the way of n2o.


JWH-250 was actually the first cannabinoid I tried back then, even before weed. So I had no tolerance. Later those effects were gone as I started using it nearly daily. If you want those effects: Stop using any cannabinoid and let your tolerance go back normal. Who knows how much time this takes.

I still recommend you vaping instead of making blends and smoking. Mg-Scales are not that expensive.
 
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