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Something similar happened to me. I used to smoke a shit ton of medical grade marijuana and bho, then one day the high just felt crappy. For months I continued to smoke, and every time I did, I sat there feeling shitty asking myself why do I keep doing this to myself. One day I just stopped. About a month ago, I took a few hits of some awesome kush. I felt great until the high wore off, and left me with a migraine. So I believe my body is telling me it's time to stop smoking. I gave up cigarettes 2 years ago after 10 years of smoking and haven't felt better.

But I can still eat a 10 strip, and feel like a god.;)
 
Classic indeed - I'd say either just don't smoke weed... because why do you need to smoke cannabis? Just because? Or.... why?

Or, what I did was start smoking more often. I smoke alone, every single day. I used to get a panic attack every single time and would need to take a mg or a half mg of clonazepam after smoking. Now, I've smoked so much, and experienced so many strains on my own, that I'm accustomed to the way my body reacts to weed, and don't need to take a benzo for anxiety. Now, I really like marijuana and smoke daily to sleep, and it also makes social experiences more comfortable, strangely enough. I feel MORE social, more friendly, and less irritable when I smoke. I just look at weed in a completely different way than I used to. I think approaching it with fear creates a negative expereince. Now that I approach it as a normality in my day to day goings on... it's 'completely normal.'
 
This happened to me. I used to smoke a couple of grams a day minimum for years, loved it, but slowly, oh so slowly, paranoia and anxiety crept up on me. Anecdotally, it seems to be more common with heavy smokers who started young and have used MDMA. Now, I smoke occasionally, and I only have a few tokes. I love taking trips, I've done mescaline, DMT, acid, 2C-C, 2C-B, 4-OH-MET in the last week, and the only time I felt even a bit anxious was at the start of the weekend when I was having a blaze. No big deal, just stop smoking until you feel cool again. It's a shame, don't get me wrong, I love having a nice smoke and I can't enjoy it like I used to, but it's not the end of the world. We've got a megathread in CD about anxiety/paranoia, the link's in the directory.
 
It's an issue of the frequency of smoking in my opinion. I firmly believe that it's hard/impossible to enjoy a strong sativa with low tolerance, no matter how little you smoke - they will always cause anxiety and paranoia. The solution is to stick to indicas or weaker sativas when your tolerance is low, and then start with small amounts of strong sativas later on.

I'm just getting back into smoking and I got this real real dank hybrid stuff and it completely kicked my ass and left me horribly paranoid the first several times, but now it's much more relaxing and enjoyable.

Also would this not be better off in CD? :)
 
TestOfSanity said:
Something similar happened to me. I used to smoke a shit ton of medical grade marijuana and bho, then one day the high just felt crappy. For months I continued to smoke, and every time I did, I sat there feeling shitty asking myself why do I keep doing this to myself. One day I just stopped. About a month ago, I took a few hits of some awesome kush. I felt great until the high wore off, and left me with a migraine. So I believe my body is telling me it's time to stop smoking. I gave up cigarettes 2 years ago after 10 years of smoking and haven't felt better.

But I can still eat a 10 strip, and feel like a god.;)
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Just FYI, the migraine is caused by other cannabinioids in the weed, mainly CBD. CBD is why you get the munchies when you smoke, the reason weed dulls pain, the source of your headache, the cause of the body-high, the culprit behind the tired/lazy effect, and often leaves you with a euphoric after-buzz. Most indica strains (ie kush) have a higher CBD/THC ratio, which is why great kush strains do everything listed here, and to the exact right degree.

On top of that, CBD is responsible for the anxiolytic effects of weed. Meaning to minimize anxiety if starting smoking again, get yourself a nice Indica strain, or buy some vaped weed that was vaped at a lowish (<170 C) temperature and add some of it to your joints.

And speaking from experience, the migraine after smoking weed with high CBD is definitely the worst the first time. By the fourth or so time, I didn't even notice a headache.
 
Benzos half an hour before smoking? Maybe try 10mg of Diazepam first, or if that doesn't work try 2mg of Xanax - if you must smoke weed that is. I smoke all the time and it turns me into a lazy bum. I'm cutting down. I never get paranoia from the stuff so I don't have your particular problem, but it's a well known solution, and some say it changed the entire experience and weed was suddenly enjoyable again. YMMV.

BTW I'm new, so if posting advice to use more drugs to solve a drug problem is not in the spirit of this place, I'll delete this shit...
 
elemenehei said:
Also check other factors in your life that causes anxiety .i find weed will bring out my anxiety all at once even if i feel relaxed at the moment . Wait for a carefree period in your life like vacation or something.

I experience this also and i'm sure it's other factors in my life that make me feel bad on weed. So now i really choose carefully when to smoke . When in really good mood , with good friends .And when i don't have a lot of shit in my head.

I think trying to get a tolerance not worth it . When your body and mind tells you not do do something you'd better don't.

A good friend who's was a VERY heavy smoker continued . We where watching him closing to himself almost never speaking . I was telling him you do not enjoy it anymore man why you smoke so much and blah blah .he continued being stoned dawn till dusk got really depressed still didn't listened to anyone though . Started sawing sign of psychotic behaviour wasn't really speaking if at all so we didn't know what was in his head. I don't know how it hit him but in a day he quited cold turkey. And he's trying to sort his head out now .

Yes i know it's "just" weed but sometimes even that can be a catalyst for disaster.

I say watch your life change things you don't like be a better person and then you will enjoy weed again :)
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This is a good post.

I can relate to this a bit - like when weed makes me anxious - it's coz I'm sitting on my ass not doing what I'm supposed to be doing/truly want to be doing...
 
Yes, I found that adjusting my behaviour really helped anxiety. I don't smoke much just sat around these days- it gives me a lot of restless energy. If I get out and go for a walk or a bike ride though, it's great. Exercise is a good remedy for anxiety. Having said that, I can sit around on trips, as long as I'm not neglecting my responsibilities to do so. I can't ever just sit around blazing now, though, even if I have taken care of everything I needed to.
 
loulou reed said:
Thanks jerm. Do you know the JWH-073? How does it compare to the 250? Thanks.
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I've only every used a .5G sample of 073 that was given to me by a vendor, I wouldn't compare it however to 250 in that it too caused a bit of anxiety and abnormal chest activity so was unable to get to a dose that would have made it as effective as one could dose with 250 without issue.

That being said, many if not ALL of the JWH compounds are now illegal in all 50 states whether they are listed on that states Schedule I amendment or not, the local DA's are utilizing the analog law even in cases where "manufacturing for human consumption" has not been proven and using their own government payed Forensic PhD's to determine structural similarity to the already Schedule I compounds. (look up Kansas ruling and the store owner of The Grind).

The main attraction most people had to these JWH compounds is similar effect to Mary J without the legal risk or job related screening, those days are shortly coming to an end as the industry is taken out of the taxable district and handed over to illegal cartels. it was a good run, about 15 years before it got into the wrong hands (mostly minors hands) and media blew up the consequences. the government made their money (about 1 billion dollars in taxes) now I guess they figure it's time to let the drug gangs have it, which is a shame for both consumers and our economy [/rant]

jerm %)
 
5-Meo-WTF said:
Anyone ever smoked like half a gram of pure jwh-018 in the same sitting? Whenever I tell people that I've done this they are shocked/don't believe me. But at no point have I ever been overwhelmed by the j dub high, and I've smoked it while drunk/tripping on multiple occasions. Who else managed to build up that huge of a tolerance?
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most of it probably got wasted, evaporated, dripped, etc etc since the substance was not mixed with a substrate.

it's like freebasing coke, you can't just put cocaine powder in a pipe and expect to have it ignite properly, there is a whole process (spoon, bakingsoda etc etc) needed before it can be smoked for full effect.

I doubt your tolerance is as high as it seems from this ineffective smoking method, to find out all you would have to do is mix 1/2G of 018 with 200ml of everclear and 2G of substrate (damiana for example) then smoke the whole 2Grams of leaf at one time and see what happens, that will be a does of 1/2 gram of JHW-018, although I do not suggest anyone do any such illegal and dangerous activity.


jerm %)
 
The fact that you don't experience this issue with psychedelics doesn't seem enough to host this thread in PD, so I'm moving to CD. :)
Good replies by the way, terrific advice and there should be plenty more in CD considering this seems to be a common problem.

(I'm about to find out of it have similar issues I guess... ;) )
 
I'm going to merge it into the megathread we have on anxiety and paranoia. Hopefully that will be beneficial for readers of both threads.
 
Mate is getting a 1g of a new mix, with an order, this is typical Damiana infused with a dose of AM2201 and AM694.

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posted a link that linked to a website that sells RCs.

This is sourcing and generally would earn you an infraction, instead, since it was just an imagine and I believe you didn't mean to, I'm just going to issue a warning.

-Chainer
 
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Do you prefer to smoke these cannabinoids pure as the white powder?

I've only ever smoked JW-018 with strong indica bud, sprinkled on top

Do you guys smoke it with bud, no?
 
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I never mix on real bud, makes me crash hard after 30 min and will lead to headaches and super raised tolerance throughout the day for me. Rather just smoke bud then lick a cig n' dip it, reverse coolie style.

I don't ever smoke the white alone, just on other things. Mostly on cigs now, sometimes in plant form that I've made
 
I'd say you can't compare any cannabinoid with JWH-250. It seems to be the only one which is psychedelic if you have no tolerance. But this effect goes away if you do it daily.
I don't know how to describe the effects, if its called dissociative or what. So basically it was like beeing somewhere else. There was this feeling. And I had quite some time where it felt like something soft is moving in my mouth. Like something is massaging my tongue. And it was like: Let's say you sit straight. While sitting perfectly straight it felt like falling backwards out of the body. So my feeling of my body was hanging out of my physical body. Also I had my first visuals ever with JWH-250. It was like everything looks like Nintendo and 3D. I hope this strange description helps somehow. I'd say if you don't want to smoke pot, vape JWH-250 BUT not daily. When I used it daily: 1) the good effects were gone, 2) after some time the vasodilation lets the heart work and the next day I would have a little hangover in the morning.

The combination with 4-ho-met is otherworldly and indescribable so I won't even try to describe it. You need to do it yourself.
 
megasyn that post is wayyy wayyy to close to a sourcing post, it has been edited and a warning / PM has been issued. Please avoid linking off site to any vendors, etc, read the PM.

Thanks
 
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