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MDxx Pills Disappearing... Piperazine Pills Taking Over?

I live in melbourne and I believe that I have been getting pip pills probably 50% of the time. The rest of the time I would say that I have been getting med MDxx pills. The last time I had a pill I was moderately impressed with were the green scorpions. Other MDxx pills I've had recently were the green incredibles and red XLs.
The point is its not really worth buying pills anymore. I'm strongly considering sticking to speed from now on when I go out. Although I much prefer MDxx to speed, for value for money and purity of product I think that speed is by far the bigger winner these days. Due to having quite a high tolerance to MDxx and the pills generally been weak compared to how they use to be I can easily go through 5-6 pills in a night. This ends up been a huge waste of money.
I was lucky that when I started using pills in 2004 that there was still alot of quality to be had. The pills today that people rave about are nothing compared to the brown As, pink rolexs, or red russians I had years ago. I do feel abit sorry for the people just starting out in the scene who aren't going to have that amazing blissed out experience that a strong MDMA pill can give when you are new to them.
So I'm making a stand and boycotting pills until the quality of pills increases and my tolerance decreases.
 
yeh bro i get u.. but surely theres enough good shit floating around the EU. Isnt there??

Its worse than u think. The Netherlands doesnt supply the whole EU anymore. Alot of labs have gone down there. They are all getting small quantities of MDMA from Eastern Europe which are mainly manufactured in Poland and in some parts of Russia. There also getting alot of pips coming from the UK.

Alot of my mates are complaining that there isnt any mdma whatsover now. They went to a big rave where John Digweed was playing and everyone was on speed. Thats the only good thing there now.
 
tru. so where does the majority of Australias mdxx come from?? i heard mostly netherlands but not sure..
yo sustanon question.. how do u know all this shit?? google cant really help me out with this stuf haha
 
Id say close to 90% of all te pills I ever had were MDMA pils and im aussie, though I havent pilled properly since last year...So is it just mostly this year the pips are emerging(or disappearing) or do I just know the right people? coz ive only had a few pills tha were meth or ketamine or some research chemical, known people who had PMA and never, ever heard of DXM in a pill around here but pips.

If its already been asked which im sure it has then dont have a hissy fit and just ignore it but what do most pips feel like so I know in the future as I should be piling a bit more often.
 
If its already been asked which im sure it has then dont have a hissy fit and just ignore it but what do most pips feel like so I know in the future as I should be piling a bit more often.

I heard that piperazine pill's mimic the actual "roll" of MDMA, but the comedown is hell. Stomach pains, throwing up, bad headaches - worst of the worst.8o
 
Nah you don't roll, even if you're lucky and it doesn't make you sick, the high sucks. A bit of euphoria / buzz but NOTHING on MDMA. Other more experienced people might have varying opinions, though.
 
^^ My mate actually had a Piperazine pill for his first time, and he experienced euphoria, sweaty palm's, eye wobble's...but you should have seen him when he was coming down...

Fuck that shit..
 
tru. so where does the majority of Australias mdxx come from?? i heard mostly netherlands but not sure..
yo sustanon question.. how do u know all this shit?? google cant really help me out with this stuf haha

Um i have my ways hehe. Lets just say i knew alot of people while livin in EU who knew people who were importing from the Netherlands and then they all went down. U can read online where the majority mdma comes from if ur lookin in the right direction.

Im not sure about aussie MDMA. We are getting alot of imports due to over priced drugs here. The whole world wants a share of our drug markets because there is just so much money to be made here. There are alot of local labs but id say most are imported from Asia and maybe Canada. The labs that are here are mainly just pressing imported mdma powder.
 
Id say close to 90% of all te pills I ever had were MDMA pils and im aussie, though I havent pilled properly since last year...So is it just mostly this year the pips are emerging(or disappearing) or do I just know the right people? coz ive only had a few pills tha were meth or ketamine or some research chemical, known people who had PMA and never, ever heard of DXM in a pill around here but pips.

If its already been asked which im sure it has then dont have a hissy fit and just ignore it but what do most pips feel like so I know in the future as I should be piling a bit more often.

Im really surprised that u havnt had or studied piperazines. Its a nasty drug which is a cattle dewormer originally. It first emerged in the pill scene in 2004-2005 in EU. That when i first hear of it when my mate had some yellow versaces and he said he double dropped and after the comedown he was gettin violently sick and was throwing up and feelin very shit where he almost called an ambulance.

This substance was interesting me afterwards alot. Considering it was still legal i started studying it, looking for an mdma replacement. Not gonna go into my history cos its way too long lol. I ordered about a 1kg from China. BZP and TFMPP it was. Mcpp was banned in 2004 where i lived in EU.

Experiment 1:

Dose: 100mg BZP + 30mg TFMPP

Took 1.5-2 hours to kick in. Sweaty palms. Comeup almost the same as MDMA. Chewing my face off, gurning, all loved up and talkin shit and promosing things that i know i wouldnt whilst sober. Wow this is like MDMA totally. Omg i found something legal finally that resembles it. Started to comedown and felt a bit sad so i redosed. Bck to where i was feelin like superman. The same feelings as MDMA but a bit lazy feeling and no urge do dance but eyes were rolling back and forth.

I decided to stop redosing after the 3rd time. By now i had about 300mg of BZP and bout 100mg tfmpp.

Comedown: From this time onwards i felt like shit. Shivering, hot cold flushes, muscle pain and aches combined with twitching with intense nausea. Just like i had the worlds worst flu. Had a massive headache and felt like shit so i layed down. Had to run out to the bathroom where i spewed on the floor and bathtub and etc. Was violently vomiting like never before. I felt like i had been poisoned. I layed on my bed and didnt sleep for atleast 15 hours. I just wished it would end. After 8 hours of the comedown i was trippin like when u comedown from acid or shrooms. The walls were vibrating and it was very unpleasant. I didnt have an appetite for 2 days and i still felt like shit after not being able to sleep for 24 hours atleast. Was tossing and turning.

Experiment 2 and final:

Dose: 200mg Bzp then redosed later with another 200mg.

Comeup just the same in 2 hours very sweaty palms. Feeling alot like some very good speed, the TFMPP gives u that mdma feeling with it. Well i didnt take any this time. Lasted for good 6 hours or more. Still no urge do dance or get up. Just feeling lazy and jelly legs. Comedown the same. Feeling shit then laying down. Nausea wasnt that bad, the tfmpp is the more toxic one. I could hold my spewing back this time but i still felt like shit the same as when mixing the 2. No eating or sleep for 1-2 days.


Conclusion:

Its a very nice drug, i liked it more than Coke or any MDMA i had before and beleive me i had my share. Mind u this powder was 99.8% pure. The comedown is so not worth it that it put me off it for ever and also off mdma for a long time. Now i can imagine if a first timer takes a pill like this they would never do it. I forgot to mention the extreme paranoia that i had both times after the comedown and for the next few days. I ended up flushing most of it down the toilet and giving my mates a few hundred grams.




How to spot a piperazine pill?

Tests dont do too much thesedays and ive never had a test kit before ever! They mix pips with mdxx to trick them, now they are fooling people by adding an aniseed smell to the pill or by adding black/brown dots to the pills.


1. Taste test: If its sourish-sweetish dont take it. It leaves a very bad after taste in ur mouth for 10-15 seconds, and it also fizzes on ur tounge just like when u lick a 9 volt battery. If u havnt licked one well then try it lol

2. Most pip pills are shiny waxy so thats a sign to be careful. Not sayin its not MDMA but most pips are shiny and waxy.

3. No smell when u smell a few pills. Have u ever smelt a 100 pill baggie before? Well u know what that smells like. If u havnt then its like smelling licorise or aniseed.

4. When i dosed my pips i put it onto a white piece of paper. I accidently spilled some water from my bottle on the table and somehow went onto it.
The paper went a yellowish/orangish color. Hence why some pips are yellow or orange.

5. Outpressed pills are a bit suss too, dont get me wrong ive had alot of mad outpressed ones before but just be careful.

6. When u crush the pill up and put it under light u will see by looking closely that there is alot of white shiny specs just like glitter that the kids play with. MDMA does not shine. Ive seen pure mdma before and yes its crystals but these shiny bits are white rather than see through crystal like.


Hope that was enough help for u. Ur lucky im tweakin on sum nice gas and could be botehred writing this down for the 100th time.

Take care and be safe.

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Its worse than u think. The Netherlands doesnt supply the whole EU anymore. Alot of labs have gone down there. They are all getting small quantities of MDMA from Eastern Europe which are mainly manufactured in Poland and in some parts of Russia. There also getting alot of pips coming from the UK.

Alot of my mates are complaining that there isnt any mdma whatsover now. They went to a big rave where John Digweed was playing and everyone was on speed. Thats the only good thing there now.

so you come to Australia thinking the situation would be better here only to find out there all pips. jokes bro =D
 
so you come to Australia thinking the situation would be better here only to find out there all pips. jokes bro =D

Well whilst livin there i was readin the Aussie section of Pillreports and wishing i could do the ones u have. Now i moved here and after 2 years of good pills here the situation is the same. Now im droolin over the US section on Pill reports, i bet u if i move there now its gonna be flooded with pips a year later lol
 
dun bother with pills anymore guys, meth or cocaine is the way to go. i prefer cocaine even tho i had an addiction problem in 2006-07. when no1 buys pills then the producers may finally start makeing good ones again.
 
Ditto on the fuck that.

I will always be after good MDMA, no matter how hard it gets to get them.
 
dun bother with pills anymore guys, meth or cocaine is the way to go. i prefer cocaine even tho i had an addiction problem in 2006-07. when no1 buys pills then the producers may finally start makeing good ones again.

Speak for yourself champ, I'm still getting good MDMA shit. Cocaine is too expensive and meth is a completely different drug, I want to get high, not stay awake for days.
 
Once I get back into the scene I'll probably keep my pill intake to once every few months, and make sure I scope it out well beforehand, buy myself a test kit so I can test them ahead of time and know what I'm taking.

I really wish the dealers would step up and test shit before they accept it, then not sell it until they know it has MDMA in it. Hell, everyone needs to do this. They'll keep making and distributing shitty pills till dealers stop selling them, and dealers won't stop selling them until we stop buying them.
 
I think it'll have to get worse before it gets better, but people will start swapping to other drugs if pills continue to be so worthless and they'll eventually realise they have to stop fucking around and start distributing decent pills if they want to make any money, there's no market for piperazines because they suck ass and aren't at all fun.

Looking at pillreport, it seems 50% are either inactive or pipes, with the other 50% being MDXX Low/Medium or MDXX/Amphetamine. It's good to know the good stuff is still out there, but pretty horrible that you've got a 50% chance of getting ripped off if you buy randomly in a club or at a party. Then you have to take into account dealers/distributors uploading false reports to make their product look good.

Lesson is to buy beforehand and test before you purchase I guess.
 
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