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Opioids Loperamide (Immodium) Megathread: We have now lost at least 2 of our own from Lope

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I love how everyone says "getting high off of a diharrea med is nuts DOod!!!"
I've never tried this (actuay didn't even know it at ntill 5 minjtes ago) but didn't you know you can effectively high from cough syrup (guess everyone knows that) and Also from vagina cleansing preparati on? Just because it is not a street drug it doesn't mean it's crazy d00d
 
I use loperamide in doses of 100mg-150mg a day to prevent WDs. I snort about half a g of very high quality H a day for a week, usually buying an 8ball at a time. Then I usually take a ~2 week break (for cost reasons) and use loperamide to prevent WDs. Right after switching from H to lope, I start with higher lope dose and work my way down over the 2 weeks. Then once I am snorting H again, my tolerance is a bit lower than it was and the first couple days of using are pure nod.

I swear to god this has worked for me very well going on two and a half years now. I can't explain it, but it really works. Amazon.com must wonder why the hell I make these gigantic loperamide orders every month or two.

When using loperamide, I don't use any supplement like grapefruit juice. Just my daily prilosec for acid reflux.

If you don't believe me, I could give a shit. Fuck whatever some paper says about crossing my blood brain barrier - if I stop taking loperamide I go into extreme WDs. I am just sharing my experience and not trying to prove anything. Using lope allows me to have a normal life while affording my addiction. Someday soon I hope to quit.
 
Is there any evidence that chronic high dose loperamide is toxic or damaging in any way? I'm sure the question has been asked but I haven't found any solid answer yet in my search (which I hope is a good thing). I take about 24 mg every 20-22 hours and have been doing this for most of the past year and a half. Any day that I don't do it is a special day when I treat myself to an actual recreational-ish opioid (usually 20mg methadone these days). If I am late on my dose, generally by the 24 hour mark, I get symptoms of leg pain/restless legs and a slight bit of nervous energy, and sometimes my bowels start to get angry (but that usually takes until 30 hours after dose to start getting loose bowels). I hope I'm not taxing my liver/kidneys or whatever too much!
 
I've stolen so much Immodium in my day. Used it to get through work so I could make my cash, score, go home, do all my dope (possibly lose some) and then repeat again ad nauseum. It works better than most anything else, and if you have some benzos and some pot you're golden! Even with a heavy dope habit the sickness was manageable enough for me to work through it. But eventually I stopped spending money on pot and xanax in favor of more dope, and then it was a little more painful to bridge the gap with immodium alone.
 
Ive been off methadone 120mg for about 2 months now using 120mg of lope a day sometimes twice a day. The problem is now im stuck. I cant stop without bad withdrawal. Im just wondering what the long term effects of this is going to be. Has anyone taken lope everyday for long periods? What were your experiences?
 
Ok guys, I reallllllly didn't want this shit to work. I was a naysayer... but I popped 30mg, no opiate tolerance at all, about 30 minutes ago, and I am warm, and glowing... definitely a mood boost. I don't want people telling me it's a placebo because I am sooo in tune with my body, I can tell if I am under the influence of fucking tylenol lol... but go ahead and do so....

There are so many goddamn junkies here who shove needles in their arms, like me, but are not willing to pop a handful of pills? Come on... give it a fucking go and see for yourselves....
 
^ no amount of being 'in tune with your body' can rule out the placebo effect. Whether you consciously believed something will work or not is in fact irrelevant. In large doses, loperamide generally takes around 2 hours to kick in for most people so I am skeptical of your experience. I am not saying it's impossible but I just wanted to point out that there is no earthly possible way for you to know if you are experiencing a placebo effect (if you could, it wouldn't be the placebo effect essentially by definition). Nearly everyone believes that they are insusceptible to the placebo effect while nearly everyone is to varying degrees.

I have a lot of experience with loperamide (primarily to hold me when I was physically dependent on opioids for pain as well as to try to achieve pain relief long after I got off daily prescription opioids. I know it works in the right doses. Many claim it doesn't pass the BBB but in reality it does however almost all of it is exported back over due to P-glycoprotein producing almost solely peripheral opioid agonism at therapeutic doses. In large enough doses, enough is not transported back to produce central opioid effects albeit effects that most do not find to produce euphoria on par with most classical opioids and opiates.

When you take very large doses that produce central effects, loperamide still binds much more strongly to opioid receptors in the gastrointestinal tract so you really need to be aware of the potential to cause severe constipation and if used enough, an obstructed bowel. With a single large dose (especially when you don't possess a tolerance to opioids), constipation can last for a few days and the best way to counter this is with a combination of a stimulant laxative such as sennosides or bisacodyl and an osmotic such as polyethylene glycol 3350. The former stimulates peristalsis and the latter increases water in the colon (the opposite effect that opioids have).

Over and over you see people recommend fiber for those suffering from opioid-induced constipation and this is quite counter-productive. Bulk-forming agents, as they are referred to, are great for people experiencing constipation primarily due to their diet but if someone is constipated due to opioids, this adds more material that needs to be passed without increasing the water in the intestines resulting in even more painful constipation, defecation and a higher risk for bowel obstruction. In simple terms, when you're backed up from opioids and ingest a lost of fiber, you're painfully going to shit a brick and very well could end up with anal fissures and/or hemorrhoids.
 
^ no amount of being 'in tune with your body' can rule out the placebo effect. Whether you consciously believed something will work or not is in fact irrelevant. In large doses, loperamide generally takes around 2 hours to kick in for most people so I am skeptical of your experience.

Totally fair.... so it really wasn't fun... it was 'dirty'.... but it was subtle... kinda like bupe which is uncomfortable for me.... but I could swear I actually felt something, psychosomatic or not... will try one more time with more.... just for kicks.
 
I can confirm that Loperamide can indeed be used recreationally. However, don't. I was stupid/inquisitive enough to try this. My understanding is, as mentioned numerous times in this thread that Loperamide doesn't cross the Blood Brain Barrier, or at least very much. My further understanding is that it can be forced over the BBB using a few different OTC medicines. One such medicine is Ranitidine (trade name: Zantac) an H2 antagonist for reducing stomach acid production.

In the morning I swallowed approximately 80mg of Loperamide followed by a 150mg chaser of Zantac. Nothing was felt for about 2 hours. Then the trademark come-up began. 15 minutes later I was really blasted but something was missing. The 'physical' symptoms of opiate use were there; the eyes pinned, the tingling, the 'buzz'. But There was absolutely no euphoria, it felt really dirty, there was no feeling of wellbeing or warmth in my stomach just this weird buzz with no change in mood.

I had to do a radio interview in town and decided to walk in. By my standards this usually wasn't the most physically exerting thing in the world yet I had to take several breaks due to exhaustion. On my way back from the interview, I started to feel slightly unwell, precisely as if I had overdone it on morphine or something. Slight nausea etc I went to bed.

The two days that followed felt like I had brain damage, I was so disconnected and disassociated. I have very little memory of anything I did over those few days but I do remember being virtually incapable of most cognitive tasks. In a nutshell, it was dirty, without euphoria and caused (presumably) reversible neurological harm (I'm fine now).
 
I've lurked in these forums for years, but this thread saved my life this week. I'm a pain management patient on morphine and roxi. My roommate dislocated his hip this month, but the crap the er gave him did nothing, so I obliged by sharing some of my pills. Normally I have no trouble finding ways to cover for a shortfall, but this month was murphy's law in action.

After reading this thread, I was able to survive the w/ds when normally I would be in the e.r. Thank you all, bl is such a blessing. It has been 4 days, and in a couple more I can get my refills.
 
Im glad that lope helped you. Im currently doing 120mg or more of lope a day. I used it to get off methadone. Im going to start a tapper tomorrow. Im taking 1 pill out a day, that should take me 60 days. Has anyone else tried this? Ill try to post often. I would love to hear how others dealt with getting off lope. Thanks
 
Im glad that lope helped you. Im currently doing 120mg or more of lope a day. I used it to get off methadone. Im going to start a tapper tomorrow. Im taking 1 pill out a day, that should take me 60 days. Has anyone else tried this? Ill try to post often. I would love to hear how others dealt with getting off lope. Thanks

What dose of methadone did you switch to the loperamide at?
 
Sorry I didnt say but I had already said in my earlier posts so I didnt repeat. Anyway, I came off 120mg of daily methadone cold turkey just using lope, cimitidine and grapefruit juice. Nothing else. I had no withdrawal until I tried coming off the lope.its been about 3 months now since my last methadone dose.
 
Sorry I didnt say but I had already said in my earlier posts so I didnt repeat. Anyway, I came off 120mg of daily methadone cold turkey just using lope, cimitidine and grapefruit juice. Nothing else. I had no withdrawal until I tried coming off the lope.its been about 3 months now since my last methadone dose.

It must have taken a shit load of loperamide to hold you over after coming off 120mg's of methadone..
 
120mg or 60 pills a day is what I used. My tolerance has gone up some since so sometimes I use more now but like I said im going to try tappering . Im worried about the effects this may be having on my organs. There are no studies about longterm mega dosing lope that I can find. Anyway any advice is welcomed.
 
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You only needed 60 pills to take away the withdrawals from 120mg's of methadone? That doesn't make much sense. That is a very high dose of methadone... with how weak loperamide is you should have needed way way more to even touch your dependence.
 
Lope is actually quite potent IIRC, but due to the miniscule amounts that make it into the brain, it is deemed "weak". Without a blood brain barrier, diarrhea sufferers would be nodding out all dayy errday.
 
Well it worked for me and I was on 120mg of methadone daily for over 2 years. I promise you I had no withdrawal until like a month later when I tried stopping the lope. I also take it with white grapefruit juice and cimitidine.
 
thats nuts that it works for the guy kicking 120mg methadone, incredible, he must be unique, i doubt most people would feel anything but horror and pain if they came off 120mg methadone and only had 120mg loperamide to comfort them.

once when i was sick and back against the wall i took probably 180mg of lope over 10 hours, and i felt barely any relief. i was shooting .3g of good dope a day, which i would say is equivalent to maybe 70mg methadone, and that 180mg lope did nothing even though i had (what i think) is a much smaller habit
 
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