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Opioids Loperamide (Immodium) Megathread: We have now lost at least 2 of our own from Lope

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^no not really, in fact i'd say its less constipating compared to morphine and even codeine.

a large dose of lope will still constipate you pretty badly though, the high from it sucks too. I'd rather just get high off PST or codeine than lope or just not get high at all.
 
This may have been answered, but is loperamide any MORE constipating than other opiates?

Some people take a shitload (pun intended) of opiates without serious bowel problems, but I wonder whether the same can be done with lope.

Yes. I take around 200mg oxy a day and have a bowel movement probably 5 days a week. I'll very occasionally go 2-3 days without and I just take a laxative and next day I'm shitting like there's no tomorrow (note: my lax's are prescription due to my high opiate prescription so may be stronger than OTC stuff). Even if I have diarrhea, 8mg of loperamide can block me up for about 4 days.

It's possible I'm just one of those lucky people Lady Codone mentioned that can take a lot of opiates without too much toilet trouble.
 
This is a neverending debate over whether or not this shit will get you high. I say bullshit no it does not work from personal experience. I was tired of wondering and tried it. Absolutely did not work for me. All that talk about eat black pepper, drink grapefruit juice - hey more power to you if it works. For me -- no.

This is a great example of how we can all take the same thing but everybody feels something different. Oh yes, and I did want this to work really bad. I thought hey, worst case scenario, I can catch a placebo effect. Nosir. I couldn't even get that. I find it is a necessity for wds tho.
 
you can definitely get high from it and even kill yourself with it, i don't think that's up for debate anymore. The high sucks though, dirty opioid high, not worth the health risks, whatever they are.

black pepper is also extremely constipating for anyone daring enough to try that combo lol. I was on 30-60mg lope/day while coming off opiates and 10mg/day while in PAWS, recently just dropped to 0mg/day without any issues (well other than frequent BMs). By far the easiest withdrawal i've ever done and i had a medium sized habit like 90-120mg oxycodone or equiv./day for years, stayed on lope for 6 months after quitting and now opiate free :) .
 
Lope has never been able to give me any sort of a high per say, but for a fact which can not be denied it completely took away my withdrawals on a few occasions. Once when I was out of town doing storm duty after Katrina and I ran out of my hydrocodone around 140 mg daily. I took around 40-60 mg of lope BEFORE the WDs kicked in and I never felt any ill effects from opiate WDs for around 6 days and then like a idiot I got back on hydro. Then a few times when my bupe ran short lope saved the day. I never felt perfect without my DOC, like I still felt mostly fatigued, but I could sleep easily, eat, no depression and most of all zero mind night break dancing!! So for me lope can stave off WDs, I find if I take lope to far into WDs it won't work as good as if I take lope to prevent WD.

Also, I think lope also has "bulking" agents in the med to help firm the stool.
 
I've seen the phrase "dirty high" on BL quite a lot but I'm not really sure what it means. Could somebody please it to me?
 
A high that contains lots of side effects and doesn't have a smooth delivery (easy come up come down, etc.).

Ahhh. Like (for me, at least) codeine phosphate? That's a "dirty high" if there ever was one..You have to swallow several of them even if you get the 30s. If you don't take enough, it's a waste. If you do take enough, no anti-histamine in the world is strong enough to stop that evil itch. Plus every other opiate has a LOVELY warm feeling, whereas codeine makes me hot in a smothering, itching, horrible way. Plus my eyelids swell and my face stays puffy for most of the next day.

I'm used to oxycodone/oxycontin as my opiate of choice (I use/love 'em all, just oxy is my prescribed one and my fav) so even vast amounts of codeine barely do anything except make my skin hot and itchy and I feel tired but can't sleep.
 
I have to agree with you on that codeine high. Such a waste. I swear my eyeballs were itchy. And every time I've done it, I wasn't really high I was more tired. Not good if you are a functioning addict. That shit put me right to sleep and not even a good high before I fell out.

Oxys are my favorite by far. They get me high, body buzz, brain buzz, and give me energy. The most pleasant high I've ever experienced. Damn those OC 80s (original formula) were the best by far.
 
I have to agree with you on that codeine high. Such a waste. I swear my eyeballs were itchy. And every time I've done it, I wasn't really high I was more tired. Not good if you are a functioning addict. That shit put me right to sleep and not even a good high before I fell out.

Oxys are my favorite by far. They get me high, body buzz, brain buzz, and give me energy. The most pleasant high I've ever experienced. Damn those OC 80s (original formula) were the best by far.

I'm in the UK where we still get the OCs. I fucking love them. I'm prescribed (as well as the immediate release capsules) 40mg twice a day, but for some reason I'm prescribed two 20mgs in the morning and two 20mgs in the evening instead of just the OC 40....*shrug*.

I've been a semi-functioning addict for 7 months and I've probably only managed to get my hands on the OC 80s 5 or 6 times but they are the ultimate.

I'm lucky and unlucky living in the UK. Lucky because we get the OC oxys. Unlucky because a) doctor shopping has been made fool-proof impossible and b) doctors are MEGA strict when it comes to meds with abuse potential. You will never ever get benzos prescribed. Unless you find that one-in-a-million doctor as you have severe panic attacks. Even then two weeks on with a two week taper is the best you can hope for. Opiates are monitored very closely and doctors really stick strictly to prescribing the smallest amount of the weakest drug possible.
I know people in the US who get twice more my meds with much milder conditions.

Sorry mini-rant there lol.

Basically, I concur: OC's fuckin' rule!
 
This may have been answered, but is loperamide any MORE constipating than other opiates?

Some people take a shitload (pun intended) of opiates without serious bowel problems, but I wonder whether the same can be done with lope.

VERY...However there is a simple solution. Miralax, or generic equivalent. A NORMAL dose of Miralax, not even taken daily... for me 2-3 times a week (one OTC as directed dose.. 1 cap full in 12oz liquid) erm... completely solves any constipation issues.

Failure to use a stool softener will result in not only constipation but... well.... a very very very painful experience a week or so after a high dose of lope. I average 200-250mg every 3 days (it has long legs for me...) of Loperamide for maintenance and DAILY Miralax will actually cause things to be too loose... 2-3 times keeps things normal as if I'm not on any opioid at all.

Its also crucial to stay hydrated on this.

In severe cases, impacted bowel requiring emergency intervention... again prevented with Miralax [or generic -- I take generic] ... Take the Miralax before your next meal after dosing Loperamide, I find.. this could be just me.. that taking Miralax with Lope at the same time... IE, not spaced 1-2 hours apart.. will drastically reduce the psychological "Hold" of Lope [again I take it for maintenance... not just physical] So give at least 2 hours before dosing miralax

Those who experience any GI distress with Loperamide high dose take note that all generic US tablets of Lope contain lactose... so... Branded Imodium apparently doesn't. Judging by the imprint and manufacture info and NDC number on the bottles.. all generics seem to be made by the same company in Michigan. Its such a godsend for me... I know there could be longterm risks including neurotoxic metabolites potentially... but... this holds me I have access to any opioid I want even diamorphine ampoules pharm grade but I dont even think of wasting my $$ on it because my cravings are held by lope. Placebo or not... I dont really care at this point, as I am no longer breaking the bank to maintain.
 
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I'm in the UK where we still get the OCs. I fucking love them. I'm prescribed (as well as the immediate release capsules) 40mg twice a day, but for some reason I'm prescribed two 20mgs in the morning and two 20mgs in the evening instead of just the OC 40....*shrug*.

Basically, I concur: OC's fuckin' rule!

I haven't seen OCs original formula in years. God, I miss those little green fuckers. Everything in my area has been switched over to Opana ERs. I've wasted so much time and money trying to find a way to crush them or break them down. Impossible for me. I chew them until there's basically nothing left and get high that way. They are nothing compared to OCs. For me anyways, I don't really get a head buzz or body buzz really. Jus a lil bit more energy and of course no wds.
 
Hey everyone. First I would like to thank everyone for their input to this thread. This is my very first post here on Bluelight and I just wanted to add my two cents to this discussion.
I used Loperamide to combat the WD's from a nasty PST addiction when I finally decided to stop. I realize some people here can't get any effects from this OTC medication, but I highly recommend that if you're going through WD's that you at least give it try at relatively low doses (14-26mg).

For me, Loperamide took away my restless legs, my anxiety and my loose bowel movements. At higher doses, it undoubtedly gave me a lasting mood boost. That being said, I would advise anyone using loperamide to drink plenty of fluids because it will dry you out as much or more than PST.

If anyone has any questions on my use of Lope, please feel free to inbox me and I will do my best to answer any questions you have. Stay strong during your withdrawals.
 
Loperamide DOES cross the BBB, i took it every other day (about 65-80 of the small generic loperamide pills) when hitchhiking across country, and I would take five 'tagamet HCL 200' 45 minutes before. I'd get a mild-strong opiate-like euphoria and not strong but apparent analgesia. I think the arguing that occurs over this is stupid, you can shit about two or three days after using it, sometimes sooner, a little longer than PST, not a big deal. Ive read that taking loperamide in larger than recomended doses has led to appendicitis in at least one case, but it is very rare.
 
I finally decided to stock up on some Immodium and truly give it a try for withdrawal. I am utterly shocked. I had no idea that it could help SO much. I am such a baby when it comes to withdrawals, so for me to say this means it really worked. Obviously everyone is different, but I am definitely making sure I have this on hand at all times now! Miracle almost as good as sub, in my personal opinion. Today is my 2nd full day of having no opiates, and I actually got a FULL night of sleep last night. That is unheard of in my world, haha.

I played around w/ the dosing a little bit b/c my addict brain always wants a new way to get high. But when it comes right down to it, I think 5 pills or so at a time would definitely help keep my withdrawal symptoms under control.
 
I think the consensus reached between me and another poster was that while 80 mg just gave a boring borderline buzz, 120 actually gave a legitimate opiate high, if not one of the best ones. This might be with no or low tolerance, however. I also wouldn't recommend anyone to experiment with such amounts as they might not be safe for all so it's at your own risk.
 
Wanted to share my experience since I see doubters on here. I have been on opiates for 11 yrs 4 yrs ago I got on suboxone well I ran out and was sick of it honestly so I didn't want to get a refill dr to expensive as well as the subs so i went into withdrawl yesterday and hunted the web for home remedies and found this site I wAsnt sold instantly but there was a lot of feed back that the loperimide helps so I took 12 which is 24mg and about an hour later I started feeling better then took tagamet before next dose and felt even better I took benedryl sleepaide when I went to bed and slept all night woke up ok quiet pleasant. will keep everyone informed on the progress but it does help tremendously u do need to drink lots of water and take stool softners tho for real! Constapation is a bitch. ;)
 
Sorry folks if this direct Wiki quote has already been posted up. If you Wiki loperamide HCL, you'll find links to BBB potentiators - which, BTW, I've yet to try myself, having xref'd my PDR, and found that the most promising of these, such as Ritonavir/Quercetin are indicated for HIV therapy - and I'm not quite that desperate, since my refill's up in a day or 2 anyway. Yet one is an OTC. Do your own homework, because I am not a health care professional.

Just a word re my background - I've been on a CII Rx for at least 15 years now. And, if you are reading this, I'll leave it to your imagination as to how many WDs I've successfully endured. This particular cup of cold duck, which has followed a slight taper of a week or so, has been the easiest by a long shot: in addition to roughly 8mgs loperamide HCL 4x/day. we have diphenhydramine HCL 50mg 2 or 3x/day (generic Benadryl). Naturally, my alprazolam Rx (xanax) plays a mighty role, even as I'm really trying to taper off that stuff for good. Since the only thing that I can think of which is worse than an opioid cold kick is a benzo kick...or, better, both at the same time.

On a parting note, before the Wiki import, I have successful utilized a Vet Admin "cure" for very heavy habits - like up to 500mg OC/day. Since this one is not exactly a walk in the park, I'll spare everyone unless requested...

"Ability to cross the blood–brain barrier

Concurrent administration of P-glycoprotein inhibitors such as quinidine and its other isomer quinine (although much higher doses must be used), PPIs like omeprazole (Prilosec OTC) and even black pepper (piperine as the active ingredient) could potentially allow loperamide to cross the blood–brain barrier. It should however be noted that only quinidine with loperamide was found to produce respiratory depression, indicative of central opioid action.[8]

It is a misconception that loperamide does not cross the blood–brain barrier. Loperamide does cross this barrier, although it is immediately pumped back out into non–central nervous system (CNS) circulation by P-glycoprotein. While this mechanism effectively shields the CNS from exposure (and thus risk of CNS tolerance/dependence) to loperamide, many drugs are known to inhibit P-glycoprotein and may thus render the CNS vulnerable to opiate agonism by loperamide.[9]

Loperamide has been shown to cause a mild physical dependence during preclinical studies, specifically in mice, rats, and rhesus monkeys. Symptoms of mild opiate withdrawal have been observed following abrupt discontinuation of long-term therapy with loperamide.[10][11]"
 
My friend took 15 loperamide and feeling goooood, not like oxy good, but not bad O and to battle the constipation...load up on magnesium maleate I take 500mg. It will break through just about anything. It takes a lot to get toxic. I kinow people who take 1000mg. It just gives you diarreaha if you have too much, which isn't a bad thing if you need to poop..:!
 
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