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How toxic is Mephedrone?

whoremoaning: don't forget that 'meth' could even mean methedrone, which is yet another one being used.
 
7zark7 said:
Even though there is a section that page where it does list all three as separate substances, it looks as if the page has been intentionally designed to be as confusing and misleading as possible. For example: the title of the document is MCAT, the heading at the top is Cathinones, there is a picture of mephedrone and a list of slang that has MCAT in with mephedrone.

Plus, it also says that 4-methylmethcathinone (4-MMC) is known as mephedrone, but it laid out in such a way that it could also be known as methylone and MCAT.

Furthermore, it sneakily mixes up controlled substances and non-controlled substances in 'The Law' section.

Frank's a naughty boy...
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Franks a retard then. :)

Methylone = bk-MDMA
MCAT/MCat = Methcathinone
Mephedrone = 4-MMC
 
just saying that it puts 4MMC under the name MCAT, and that many people in the UK who want to find out about this will look under FRANK

i am totalllly not sayin that frank is always right, but for people who dont know drugs, of course they are gona look here!? and that is what they will find. its the only site that you can learn about drugs that is advertised.

methcathinone is pretty much unheard of round here so i dont see the harm if me and my mates want to call it MCAT between ourselves?

for the purposes of bluelight, fair enough, its mephedrone, but that wasnt the point that coolio was arguing with me about.

not sure why the hell your bothering to argue about it with me coolio and not sure why you had to call me ignorant? bit harsh mayte?

i wouldnt usually get riled up but bl is harm reduction, not "tell someone off when THEYYRRR DOIN IT RONGG and then argue with them about it"
 
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Homebaked methcathinone was popular in 80s and 90s years in USSR, under name "Mool'ka". Imagine you take 1 gram of ephedrine and get 60ml of this mulka, people were injecting 20cc units with big syringes.

Coolio said:
Methcathinone at one time was probably more popular than methamphetamine, especially in the USA and Russia. Before controls on precursors, it was way easier to homebake some methcathinone than it was to cook meth. There are still people who cook up methcathinone instead of methamphetamine with their Sudafed pills because it's easier.

If you hang out in the Midwest there are plenty of older guys who will rave about the good old days cookin mcat in their trailer.
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How is calling someone ignorant telling them off? Ignorance means not knowing something. Whoever is calling mephedrone 'mcat' is simply unaware (ie. ignorant) of the history of the term.
 
Coolio said:
How is calling someone ignorant telling them off? Ignorance means not knowing something. Whoever is calling mephedrone 'mcat' is simply unaware (ie. ignorant) of the history of the term.
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I think that over here in the UK, the word 'ignorant' has more of an insulting slant to it - not just the literal definition - so people may take slight offence :)


...but regarding the correct naming of mephedrone and drugs in particular: One of my main peeves with the 'facts' passed on, published, written, etc. about recrational drugs is the spreading of misinformation. It was misinformation that killed Leah Betts back in the 1990s, so - even if it sounds like I'm being pedantic or picky - I just think that nipping any incorrect details in the bud, before they become 'common knowledge', is a huge benefit to the harm reduction cause.
 
.xbuzzybeex. said:
methcathinone is pretty much unheard of round here so i dont see the harm if me and my mates want to call it MCAT between ourselves?

for the purposes of bluelight, fair enough, its mephedrone, but that wasnt the point that coolio was arguing with me about.
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A problem arises if you or one of your friends needs medical attention. Telling the doctor/paramedic/etc. that the person in need of help has had MCAT when they have actually had 4MMC might not be a good thing. Plus, if one person tells them meph and another tells the MCAT - they may think that the person has had both!

Also, if one of your unknowledgeable friends decides to go and get some meph for themselves and asks for/orders MCAT. They may not get what they actually want... ;)
 
whoremoaning said:
which meth? methylone? methcathinone? methamp? I know which meph you're reffering to. see why clarity is a good thing?
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FWIW, meth to me is methamphetamine.

...and don't forget the opioid methadone in the list of alternative 'meths' :)
 
rite just so were straight, just dont wana cause a fuss

but yea ignorant is pretty harsh here (uk)

sorri for being a dick, hormones being a bit shitty atm, but thanks for letting me know

cant believe what i saw today as well, down it southend, there was a phone box with a piece of paper stuck to it saying

"MEPHEDRONE 24 HOURS
MEOW MEOW"
and a tel no with all its disclaimers on it

was kinda shocked about how open it all was!

i think meph is taking over the world...why doesnt MDMA take over instead? happy gurns :)
 
I thought mephedrone was an amazing drug until I felt a pop in my head about 4 days after I did it (didn't even do very much, probably around half a gram). the pop was followed by an hour long headache, and I'm suspecting that the vasoconstriction coupled with an hour of moderate exercise caused a minor aneurysm to burst in my head... scary stuff considering it could have turned me into a total vegetable!
 
TheZon said:
I thought mephedrone was an amazing drug until I felt a pop in my head about 4 days after I did it (didn't even do very much, probably around half a gram). the pop was followed by an hour long headache, and I'm suspecting that the vasoconstriction coupled with an hour of moderate exercise caused a minor aneurysm to burst in my head... scary stuff considering it could have turned me into a total vegetable!
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Or it could have been this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exploding_head_syndrome :)
 
TheZon said:
I thought mephedrone was an amazing drug until I felt a pop in my head about 4 days after I did it (didn't even do very much, probably around half a gram). the pop was followed by an hour long headache, and I'm suspecting that the vasoconstriction coupled with an hour of moderate exercise caused a minor aneurysm to burst in my head... scary stuff considering it could have turned me into a total vegetable!
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I find that unlikely. Even small aneurysms are quite debilitating. My aunt has a small vein burst and was incredibly unwell for days. I also think if it was going to cause a problem like that it would happen shortly afterwards, not 4 days!
 
For unlikely that is, I'd still suggest the guy to get checked nontheless. Better safe than sorry.
 
Hey all, well i've been checking out bluelight for some time now and figured it's about time i posted something as some way of a contribution to the '' mephedrone saga '' - I was doing meph for about 5 months last year - about once a week to once a fortnight - The first time i tried it i did maybe 2 small oral doses - probably about 75mgs in 2 lots orally - well i couldn't believe the high , really couldnt believe how good and CLEAN I felt- it was so similar to an MDMA high for me - something i had been searching for as I hadn't had a decent pill since New Year 2008 - after that everything was just bzp/mcpp/tmfpp crap and made me feel terrible (and mild but unpleasant hallucinations as well)so i stopped doing pills until i could find a decent type again (I'm still waiting!).....anyway each occasion I would have to take more and more 4MMC to reach desired effects until i got to the point where it was up to 500mgs per sesh (over the course of about 10 hours)...then i started to hear the horror stories and moved onto methylone round about xmas 2009.Things i noticed about meph were:(1) alcohol + meph improved the experience and also helped the comedown - but i would only drink after the initial peak and that would bring me up again (2)tolerance developed quickly,(3) snorting made me feel a little dizzy at times (and initially does fell like being kicked in the nose)and was therefore undesirable so oral was the way to go for me (4) No purple limbs etc although increased anxiety was noticed at times including the odd 5 minute panic attack here and there (I suffer from anxiety anway)..and generally this would happen about 20 minutes after ingestion (5) on staggered doses up to 500mgs I also noted a weird almost psychotic state upon going to bed - very dark and chemical feeling - sleep would relieve this and i was able to sleep due to moderate alcohol and weed consumption (6) The more occasions i tried it the worse the comedowns were although these were no worse than some MDMA comedowns I have had (7) Never redose the day after - this resulted in anxiety and a complete disappointment as the effects were just not the same (8) I have had the powdered stuff and the crystal stuff and i would say they are both strong but the crystals more so (9) Also I have had the smelly stuff and stuff that had little smell at all - they both had strong effects but the smelly stuff DOES make you sweat that chemical smell out and you CAN smell it for days afterwards on your clothes, hands, bed etc- not a good thing with non-meph ladies lol (10) I am a big weed smoker and generally make it a rule not to do stims without weed, anyway i did have one night on meph without weed and it was just as good as it would have been with it which was a surprise at the time - although looking back i doubt i could really feel the weed before that anyway - more of a psychological thing I think (11) After the first few times on the day after i did feel slightly poisoned - so yes i do feel it is somewhat toxic (12)I Never experienced brain zaps in the days after thank god (13) I did experience mild chest pains once or twice - make of that what you will (14) I have asthma and generally did not feel any increased trouble due to meph (15) The first few times the euphoria was amazing - definitely as good or better than MDMA but too short lasting (16) For me snorting was more like coke, while bombing was more like MDMA (17) Unless you are a total weed/hash head do not toke on meph comedowns as i found it made me feel worse although i still did it..........anyway funny thing is i still crave it a little but so far have resisted all desires to take more, I even crave the smell - a classic sign of addiction for me - I now take methylone once in a while - its more expensive, not as intense but more chilled and mdma like, and for some reason i have to dose quite high - normally 250mgs x 2 over a night, sex is amazing and it really doesnt feel toxic although the comedowns leave me with no energy or motivation for about 12 hours..... all the people i know that have done meph have suffered no ill effects but there's always a risk I guess. the worst thing is if i could get decent MDMA i wouldn't be trying RC's anyway - government policy and the mindset of the brain-washed general population suck - but until the MD situation improves for me I'll buy M1 ( no doubt they may ban M1 when the Meph ban finally happens as well and then it'll be back to violence inducing alcohol and over-priced smoke!).... hopefully people can take this knowledge and use it to for their own benefit....however for me , of all the drugs i have taken (MDMA, Coke, Amphetamines, cannabis/skunk etc ,mushrooms , bzp related stuff, LSA (HBW), opiates, benzos etc) have felt safer than Meph - this is just my opinion - be safe all!!! Let's hope i didnt make a nob of myself on my first post! 8o
 
^ Thanks for sharing, don't worry about being a noob or not, but please ... spare our eyes and let us enjoy the beauty of paragraphs ;)
 
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