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How toxic is Mephedrone?

MikeHawk said:
I definitely smell something bad in my sweat after having used Methylone, and Mephedrone is unlikey to be very different. I only suffered the toxic effects described of Mephedrone when binging on Methylone. Do they have the same metabolites?
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Butylone has this feature as well (but to a lesser degree at least for me). But who can binge on butylone ?
 
Coolio said:
You must be ignorant then. Mcat is slang for methcathinone, and has been for decades. 4-methylmethcathinone is not methcathinone.
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It's hardly her who is ignorant. Most people I know call it M-Cat too. I don't bother correcting them. Do you really think teenagers getting high on an RC they know nothing about are interested in the intricacies of the name?
 
Well, they're ignorant of the history of the term 'mcat'. It's already established slang. If teenagers have decided to hijack decades-old slang and reuse it for a slightly different drug, they can't expect to come online and talk to people of all ages, some of whom have known "mcat" (as well as just "cat") is N-methylcathinone since the 80s.

What if they started calling it "coke"? I think we should tell them to stop misusing the slang.
 
i agree it will just make them know less about whats in their nose in future, when they're in A&E

especially when "my heart wont stop pounding"/"my feet are blue"/"everything has a face, and i mean EVERYTHING!"
 
Coolio said:
Well, they're ignorant of the history of the term 'mcat'. It's already established slang. If teenagers have decided to hijack decades-old slang and reuse it for a slightly different drug, they can't expect to come online and talk to people of all ages, some of whom have known "mcat" (as well as just "cat") is N-methylcathinone since the 80s.

What if they started calling it "coke"? I think we should tell them to stop misusing the slang.
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I wasn't aware that MCat was abused in a large scale like Mephedrone. From what I gather it's a bit of a shitty chem.
 
MikeHawk said:
I wasn't aware that MCat was abused in a large scale like Mephedrone. From what I gather it's a bit of a shitty chem.
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Methcathinone at one time was probably more popular than methamphetamine, especially in the USA and Russia. Before controls on precursors, it was way easier to homebake some methcathinone than it was to cook meth. There are still people who cook up methcathinone instead of methamphetamine with their Sudafed pills because it's easier.

If you hang out in the Midwest there are plenty of older guys who will rave about the good old days cookin mcat in their trailer.
 
how about people start a separate thread on names and naming for 4-mmc? where people who actually give a shit can argue about it.
 
vecktor said:
how about people start a separate thread on names and naming for 4-mmc? where people who actually give a shit can argue about it.
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Yeah, they could do that - or people could point out the difference in the naming in the interests of harm reduction - which I thought was the ultimate aim of Bluelight?
 
just wondering....is trimethylamine used in the synthesis of this chem...if so is it posible that residual tma is responsible for its odor and possibly explain why only some experience all those horrible side effects as a small portion of the population cannot metabolize trimethylamine properly (Trimethylaminuria)?
 
Coolio said:
You must be ignorant then. Mcat is slang for methcathinone, and has been for decades. 4-methylmethcathinone is not methcathinone.
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no coolio. not ignorant - many people call it this, frank calls it this http://www.talktofrank.com/drugs.aspx?id=3597

i understand that mcat is also meth but, people get confused with the whole meth/meph thing anyway

I know a lot of people who call it that. as long as we know we mean mephedrone and dont confuse people, surely no harm done?

as long as i tell them its mephedrone, and not methcathinone everything is okay. if they got confused and didnt no which one i was talking about they would ask.
 
Coolio said:
Frank is talking about methcathinone there, too. You linked to a page on 'cathinones'. Frank lists mephedrone, methylone, and MCAT as 3 separate drugs! The entire page isn't just about mephedrone.
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Even though there is a section that page where it does list all three as separate substances, it looks as if the page has been intentionally designed to be as confusing and misleading as possible. For example: the title of the document is MCAT, the heading at the top is Cathinones, there is a picture of mephedrone and a list of slang that has MCAT in with mephedrone.

Plus, it also says that 4-methylmethcathinone (4-MMC) is known as mephedrone, but it laid out in such a way that it could also be known as methylone and MCAT.

Furthermore, it sneakily mixes up controlled substances and non-controlled substances in 'The Law' section.

Frank's a naughty boy...
 
I think the list of slang is supposed to mean a list of slang terms for different cathinones... and they just forgot to add methylone in that list. Why don't they put bk-MDMA in the list of slang too? Not sure why the page title is MCAT though, that doesn't make sense.
 
It's a UK government sponsored anti-drugs site, it's not supposed to make sense.
 
TalktoFrank is filled with inaccuracies and misinformation, not really the best source to back up an argument :D

Using MCAT as a slang for Mephedrone is plain wrong and has caused confusion on BL when someone tries to get help about a Meph question and people think they're being asked a question about Methcathinone, seriously just call it Meph how hard is it? Saves people getting confused/being given bad information.

i understand that mcat is also meth but, people get confused with the whole meth/meph thing anyway
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which meth? methylone? methcathinone? methamp? I know which meph you're reffering to. see why clarity is a good thing?
 
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