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Hi JR, its amazing how destructive this shit can be in such a short time frame. I'm sorry for your struggles and hope that your conviction in quitting minimizes the pain of change that often happens when we put the drugs down.

I'm going to move this to the Heroin/Opioid Thread - Serious Discussion Only. There is a great deal of support within that thread from folks who are enduring (or have endured) similar struggles.

Love and Respect!
 
I would like to start by saying that a friend of mine has had a traumatic past mentally & physically & he uses opiates to escape the past & present thoughts that become reality once he starts to think of what has happened & knowing there is nothing he can do to change the past.

They say time will heal wounds but its not very comforting knowing you cant change what happened & having to live with the consequences. People will always say that using drugs will not solve the problem & we all know this to be 100% accurate but for him, its escape from reality, if not for the moment &/or the several hours he is under the influence. To him, its all he has to look forward to.

So with that said & not much of details as to what the problem he has is, opiates have helped him deal with his problems more than any doctor could with any SSRI's. Bottom line is he has had some comfort with using opiates.

Hi there. I am a lot like your friend. Opiates worked for me until they stopped, which was about two years. Quitting opiates (the first time anyway) went for me like this - I decided that I had to talk seriously about my very traumatic past with a professional (in fact I'd never talk to anyone about it in any detail) or that I would end up killing myself. I was also starting to self harm at this point. About two months after I started going to therapy my therapist found me a good inpatient place to start PTSD therapy first and foremost. I coincidentally told her I was addicted to opiates on the same day she told me about this place. They told me to detox and I could come in right after.

My problems will not be solved with pharmaceuticals, but they do help me. I have majorly bad depression and whether that was caused by the traumas or I would have had it anyway doesn't matter, medication does help somewhat. There are also lots more medications than just SSRIs that help with depression. I am on a mixture of drugs that allow me to not be suicidally depressed most of the time - I still get that way sometimes, though.

I personally think therapy is the most important thing. The first thing I realized when I started PTSD therapy is that what I was experiencing was a normal reaction to an abnormal situation. Using drugs was part of that. Self harm was part of that. Dependant behavior, low self esteem, negative beliefs, flashbacks or reliving, all of those are results of severe trauma and some are ways of dealing with other symptoms - ie I feel like a piece of shit so I cut myself. Or I cut myself because I am a bad person/evil/dirty/defective/*insert whatever your abuser said or implied about your worth here*.

It's a fucked up cycle and treatment can and in my case HAS started to help me became a more stable and functional human being. I'm very far from being through with therapy, in fact I'll probably always need therapy of some sort and medication, but living with PTSD and drug addiction was probably the worst thing I lived with outside of the traumas themselves (which majorly impacted my life from birth-19, opiate addiction lasted from 21-23 roughly).

I love drugs but to be able to feel like a human being, meaning to feel feelings and live in the present or at least more in the present, is an amazing feeling. I didn't even realize I was living in the horrible nightmare I was living in, I was so dissociated and trapped in my two hells - the hells of addiction and the hell of my brain, which was programmed in such a way to annihilate me if I were to physically get away from my main abusers... I can go into this more indepth however my point is that your friend can definitely get help, but it may need to be sought aggressively and with urgency and care all at once... this can make or break your friend's life - for real - I would definitely 100% be dead if I didn't stop using drugs all the time AND start getting therapy. And if somehow I wasn't dead, or up all through the end until I was dead, I'd be living in one of the worst places I can imagine besides like I said before - the original trauma(s).

The thing is this takes a lot of courage and I had to be on my last leg to try it. And it is very painful... I blocked out all emotion, good or bad, didn't matter - I was numb, nothing felt real, I didn't feel real, and death was the only way I could imagine to escape the reality of this kind of living hell, which is surely much more painful than death...

I'm almost three years down the path of therapy and smart medication choices and I am on disability and have slowly started having less problems with self harm/suicide/flashbacks/anxiety but my depression is still about the same in other ways, but still I am not in PTSD HELL as I term it and I am generally going on an upward path.

Please PM me if I can help you and your friend in any way. I can honestly say I am close to being at peace with the past. Not that I wouldn't change it if I could have, I just don't even think in that way anymore. I have assimilated it somewhat, I suppose. As bad as those experiences are, they are great learning tools for someone who has gone through them, though of course the price is too high. I can't believe I just said that, haha, life has changed...
 
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Would you trust your dealer after he got busted?

My dealer got busted, sent me a text from another phone saying don't call his phone the police have it. Claims he was bailed out. He was caught with 6 bundles. My other connects are all his cousins and they all work together. He claims he is good but I don't know if it is a good idea dealing with him or his cousins.

I think it is a bad idea but don't have any other options.
 
So, good old heroin what a spectacular drug you are....

Heres a short overview of me and my love and hatred for the wonderful and evil drug that is heroin.

I've been a user for nearly 6 years now and the breakdown of that goes as follows:
Year One:
I was a recreational user or weekend warrior or whatever you want to call it. If and when I used, I'd buy £60 worth of rock (crack, for those not in the know) and £40 worth of heroin and I'd spend the day doing that.

Year Two:
I'd fallen in love (with crack and with my gorgeous girlfriend). I was in my first year of university now and I'd do absolutely nothing other than stay at home and watch TV, mess around on my computer, work to earn money and do university work. That way I was spending no money in the weeks apart from the occasional few pints at a pub. Then every other weekend I would go all out and spend my money (£100 on crack and £40 on heroin). I'd do this on Friday night or Saturday night. I wouldn't get any withdrawal symptoms that would stop me from doing my normal routines.
This lasted the best part of half a year, maybe a little bit more. Then my usage started on the downward spiral and moved to weekly (spending £60 on crack and £10 or £20 on heroin). Again this lasted two or three months. Not long after I was on daily usage.

Year Three:
I'd now gone into my second year of university and was living with 3 other lads. 2 of which had heroin habits and were using daily with me.
My priorities totally changed. Priority one was wake up order a stone and a bag (spending £15 or £30 depending on how much money I had). Literally, that was the first thing I'd do within 5 minutes of waking up... I'd got my sleep pattern perfect so I'd wake up at 11am (15minutes after my dealer came on). I'd ring him at 11.05am and he'd tell me he was on his way (he knew to just come to my house every morning and I just rang to check he was on his way [in case he had ran out and couldn't come that morning]. Then I'd spend the day either in work (I worked at various bars/restaurants) or on a graft (looking for ways to make money, either by using basic cons on students to earn between £1-£5 for each person I could get the con to work on). When I worked the Fri/Sat night shifts at clubs I would make money in my own special ways (without incriminating myself but I'd make £150-£250 a night on those shifts [and don't jump to assumptions that I was just lifting money from the till because you'd be wrong].
So this is the year I had hit the real downward spiral of it all and my reason for living was to do crack and heroin as much as the money would allow.
It was all negative though. There was two positives:
I managed to keep my university work at a decent standard (and my 2nd year results averaged at a the top end of a lower 2nd class level, I think I had about 58.5% average)
{For those who don't know how uni works, my course was made up in the following way: Year 1 = 0% of overall degree, Year 2 = 25% of overall degree and Year 3 = 75% of overall degree. A 1st class [1] (best degree result available) was 70% or more. Upper 2nd class [2:1] was 60% to 69.9%. Lower 2nd class [2:2] was 50-59.9%. 3rd class [3] was 40-49.9%. Everything below that is basically a fail and you don't graduate.}
I'd been with my girlfriend for 6months now and was successful hiding this awful habit from her (I know... awful as it sounds as our relationship was based on a massive lie.

Year Four:
I'd entered my final year of university and had a major habit that was extremely expensive to keep up and if it wasn't for my love of crack... I would have easily been able to continue doing it but the stone was just so expensive.
At this point, I realised how awful my habit had become, how much the crack had changed me and how I didn't care about anything other than getting high.
So I reached out to my parents and told them the whole situation of what was going on and asked if they could let me move back home. They agreed and although distraught about it agreed to help me. First they gave me some money, enough to buy 4 weeks worth of heroin and enough for 7 days of crack (so I couldn't continue doing it daily). After that, they took me to a private doctor (so what I got didn't get put on my NHS records) and he prescribed my 5 litres of methadone on the premise that my mum and dad would look after it (and keep it hidden from me) and administer it 3 times a day. I was basically on lock down and wasn't allowed to leave the house other than going to uni (where either my mum or dad supervised me to ensure I couldn't go out and score).

So by this point I was starting to get clean. However, I did manage to sneak off every few weeks and score some stone and gear.
By the end of the year I was clean. Although I did still score every few weeks.
I succesfully passed my degree and ended up with a Upper 2nd Class degree (with 69.2% ). A real shame because I was close to getting a 1st class which is the best possible degree result and if it was for heroin and crack I would have got a 1st!

Year Five:
I was still mostly clean and was offered a job down south. I jumped at the opportunity as I thought it would take me away from where I could score.
Now I only scored every month again. I'd drive to home every month to see my family and my gorgeous girlfriend (she'd visit me in the south every month too).
However, when I went home... I saw it as an opportunity to score and since I was earning a very good wage I'd spend a small fortune on scoring (buying 1/8th of heroin and 1/8th of crack every time).
Once again, I'd started to get back into the downward spiral of it all AGAIN! and after a while I was driving home most weekends but purely to score now and it was costing me a fortune in both petrol and on drugs.
Then I found out one of the lads I used to live with had also moved south and was scoring daily and this gave me a way to score without the 250 mile journey north. So in a short time I was back to daily usage BUT i was no longer using crack as my friend had no interest in crack and didn't know where to buy it. A blessing in disguise.
After half a year of this (all the while keeping my job and still to this day I am working at the same place)
Year Six (at present):
By now I'd progressed from smoking heroin and was now going IV. I realised that it wasn't going to take long for everything to turn bad quickly so I signed on to an anonymous drug service and started to get councilling and was buying oral methadone and starting to clean myself up.
I'd managed to mostly sort myself out and then my girlfriend managed to get a job down south so we planned to move in together. I told myself that I HAD to be clean, I couldn't carry on lying to her and live with her with a habit. So I tried to get as clean as I could.
A few months before we moved in together, I revealed all the problems I'd had with heroin and crack and gave her the option to rethink our relationship. Her being the wonderful person she is, she decided to stick by me and support me which gave me an extra bit of drive to clean myself up.
So I had been clean for about 2 months and then we moved in together.
For some reason I decided to treat myself to some gear and for about 2 months I was using weekly (while living with my girlfriend). It didn't take her long to notice that this was happening but she stood by me and gave me the support I needed.
At this point, all my friends and family had disowned me. I was totally on my own, other than my girlfriend and was spiraling into a deep deep depression. I can no longer get through a day without thinking about suicide. Normally, I can get through a day at the office but when I get home I spend the evening in my bed in complete darkness doing nothing but crying.
THEN the major heroin drought hit and I couldn't score apart from the odd bit here and there.
So to end the story, I'm still using now but I don't have a habit as I've been using my own technique to reduce my habit.
Just before the new year I spent 3 weeks using heroin every 3 days, IV morphine every 3 days, IV methadone when I could get it and oral methadone every 2 days. I managed to reduce and I had my last bit of morphine on 30/12/2010. I got through the 5 days withdrawals without feeling shit.

Year 6 (2011)/Current Situation:

It's now 10/01/11 and after promising myself 2011 would be opiate free, I have totally failed! I used opiates on the following days/dates:
- I used 0.8g heroin on 03/01/11
- I used 60mg of IV morphine on 06/01/11
- I used 180mg of IV morphine on 07/01/11
- I used 0.6g of heroin on 08/01/11
- I used 60mg of IV morphine on 09/01/11
- I used 0.3g of heroin today (10/01/11)
So I have completely and utterly failed but I can't afford to buy more (I am already eating into this months rent and will have to borrow the best part of £200 from my girlfriend) BUT I will not use from now on. I just have to get

Here is the sinister part. When I used the heroin on 03/01/11 I bought some off two different people and got 1g (0.4g of strong stuff and 0.6 of standard stuff). Normally I would inject 0.3g to get a nice rush, opiate warmth and a nod. However, the stuff I'm getting at the minute is very strong and I've been doing 0.15g for the same (or stronger) effect.
I'd made the decision that I had had enough of life and I couldn't cope anymore. So what I did was inject 0.2g of the strong stuff so I could get a nice rush and really enjoy myself for 30minutes or so. Once I'd done that, I made the decision that I was going to take my own life and go out with a bang. So with the remaining 0.8g , I cooked it all up into one injection knowing that my body and tolerance was no where near capable of doing that much at once. As I expected it was too much for my body and overdosed.
I was with someone who been given training (at his local drug service/needle exchange) to administer a naloxone injection in case he was ever in a situation where someone he was with overdosed. He had the naloxone injection the drug service had given him and quickly administered it to me and revived me. So it was a failed attempt at my own life which immediately after I was so upset that I'd failed.
I told my girlfriend about this and she was totally distraught but she made me realise how stupid I had been and how lucky I was to have been with someone who had the naloxone. My girlfriend is a doctor (a paediatrician) and she told me that because of the amount I had done, if it wasn't for my friend having the injection, there was quite a slim chance that I would have survived.

Sorry to put a downer on this whole thing but I want to make people aware of my life on heroin. The thing that has destroyed my life and deeply affected my immediate family going so far as to have reached out to all of my aunts and uncles. My mum had told me well over 10 times to just inject myself so much that I overdose and when she said it to me the other day absolutely pissed out her head, screaming down the phone at me I realised how much I'd fucked up myself and decided she was right.
I now see how wrong she is and how I need to sort myself out so I can pay my wonderful girlfriend back for all the love and support she has given me and make her my life.
I still feel fucking dreadful about life but hopefully a doctor can help me.
I now have the determination to beat this and make my life good.
I want to join the real world and be a real human who doesn't need heroin as a crutch.

Sorry to anyone reading this and it brings then down...

Just remember this... heroin ruins lives, always has done and always will. Not only does it ruin an individual's life but it ruins the lives of everyone around that individual. Families, friends and partners. I've learnt this the very hard way!!!

To anyone reading this thinking about trying heroin, let this be a lesson to you. It will not work out well. I only know of one person who has managed to do heroin a few times and not get hooked. People like that are a rare breed and are few and far between.

On a positive note, I have a doctor's appointment Friday 14th Jan 2011 and I will be asking for a prescription for anti-depressants and anti-anxiety drugs. I am also going to ask to be refered to a counselor who can help me address the real issue of why I do drugs. I intend to use money saved from not doing heroin to see a psychiatrist who can help me deal with issues that have scarred me for life (without going into too much detail but there are various things that have happened. An 18year old boy attempted to rape and molest me when I was on holiday (with my parents at age 11), at 15 I found out my mum had been having an affair with her boss for the last 12 years, I have been arrested and prosecuted for a number of stupid things when I was younger and I have watched various members of my family fall into alcoholism.
So hopefully, the drugs the doctor give me, the techniques the counselor will teach me to deal with situations and the investigation into why I always enter these downward spirals will but me back on track to becoming a normal, or as normal as someone who has been a heroin addict with many underlying problems can be.
If all the above works, I am on track to have a good life. I have a degree (in a subject that will become increasingly useful in the future, 'Computer Science'), I have a good job that offers amazing training opportunities (Its a graduate scheme lasting 4 years and at the end of the 4 years I will be a Chartered Engineer [so I get CEng appended to my name]), I have a wonderful girlfriend who has continued to support me throughout this horrible time (and if I successfully get clean and stay clean, we will have been through so much that it would take something incredible to break us up) and my girlfriend is a doctor so she has great career prospects too. It seems the only problem is heroin so once I sort that out, my life will be a very good prosperous life. And I'm sure that once I rid myself of heroin, my friends and family will slowly start to come back into my life.

I am not a very religious person but I spend a few minutes every day praying that I can be given the strength needed to sort myself out.

EDIT: I have moved this thread manually from EADD to here and as such lost the only reply...
EDIT 2: And now overdone has moved it from a separate thread to here, anyhow the reply from the 1st thread is still here:

08-01-2011, 02:55
HeroINpain
May all your dreams come true my friend! Thanks for your honesty. People Heroin isn't some romantic fantasy it's a KILLER drug! I'd never wish my life so far on ANYONE!! be lucky!
 
Man i'm fucking freezing when i'm not taking opiates. I've noticed that I'm a good writer while under the influence and about 10 times more creative. Lately i've gotten some nice mellow highs, then proceeded to get higher and just got a full on case of opiate rage. It killed my buzz and wrecked everything. I would rather not even get high when I get opiate rage, what a buzz kill...I also tryed some "warming sensation" cold medicine it has dipheydramine, another antihistamine, and tylenol.

Needless to say it made me really hot and my high lasted for about 8 hours, which is weird. It just wouldn't end. At the 6 hour mark I was still nodding. It's like I got a supercharged high.

Any cure's for opiate rage that anyone wants to share? Benzo's seem to work the best. I dont want to waste another high.
 
Jayridley, its good that you've taken the time to write down your experiences and get it out in the open. That's a great step. Talking to a psych or a counciler should really help you also, they can direct you in the right direction and teach you how to live without H.

Anxiety drugs will help you alot, but I would tread lightly in that territory. You should use the benzo's short term if you can, and I would recomend valium sense it works good and is easy to get off of compared to other more potent benzo's.

Just remember that benzo's can also wreck your life as well. I know it sounds ironic after all you've been through, they also make you loose your inhibitions so it's possible that it would be easier for your to relapse.

I'm speaking a little extreme, but i'm just saying be careful. Stay at light doses and they will help you recover from your addiction.

Good luck mate.
 
Jayridley, its good that you've taken the time to write down your experiences and get it out in the open. That's a great step. Talking to a psych or a counciler should really help you also, they can direct you in the right direction and teach you how to live without H.

Anxiety drugs will help you alot, but I would tread lightly in that territory. You should use the benzo's short term if you can, and I would recomend valium sense it works good and is easy to get off of compared to other more potent benzo's.

Just remember that benzo's can also wreck your life as well. I know it sounds ironic after all you've been through, they also make you loose your inhibitions so it's possible that it would be easier for your to relapse.

I'm speaking a little extreme, but i'm just saying be careful. Stay at light doses and they will help you recover from your addiction.

Good luck mate.

I've just been to the doctors, I couldn't wait until Friday so got an emergency appointment today.
I know the risks of benzos, as I've done my fair share of them while using gear. I specifically told the doctor I didn't want benzos.
They told me I'm moderately to severely depressed. I've been prescribed what I believe to be a mild dose of anti-depressants (20mg of Citalopram per day). I'm going back in 3 weeks with the possibility of increasing to 40mg.
Next, on the list of things to do is find a (cheap) psychiatrist to deal with all the issues that lead me to drug use.
 
Heroin and opiates are generally poisons on the mind and soul.

Even without physical WDs, if I use even ONE time, the next 3-4 days I am just unmotivated, slightly depressed, and not myself. Very low energy and very little interest in any activity.

I feel so much better being away from those types of drugs. :)


I should check out BL sometime and see if I can find some of my older posts from when I was struggling with everything. I don't miss chasing, don't miss the waiting game, don't miss worrying about money or WDs, don't miss worrying about the police or getting burnt. There is soooo much I don't miss at all from that lifestyle. It's very rarely a quick, easy thing and the time lost in a nod or sleeping extensive amounts of time is nothing that sounds desirable now.

I want to experience what this life has to offer. I know what opiates can do and what they can offer. Time for new things. <3


Hope everyone is doing alright! It's not always going to be a struggle and challenge!:)
 
I am gonna be quitting a year long black tar habit (smoking) this week i hope. I've tried many times to quit before only to relapse (of course). those damn restless legs get me EVERY TIME. this time however i have some pills to hopefully get me through the first 4 days or so (7-1mg alprazolam, 3 - 10mg ambien, and 1 - 5mg oxycodone) i am really scared but i have to do it soon. my sister is getting married in vegas in 17 days, so i wanna be over the worst by then. wish me luck.
 
All I can say to you Jay is you sound like you're really being honest with yourself so stick with it. That was a brave post to make.

Most heroin users I've known (and of course myself) have a had a history which gives pretty good pointers to why we've found the drug so comforting and coming to terms with that past or present is a hell of a step.

You really sound like you've got a great life waiting for you once you sort out the gear abd definitely don't listen to your mum. Had the same trouble with alcoholic parent and you just gotta switch off when they start talking bollocks like that. Doesn't stop the hurt that they actually get into those states but yeah, bullshit's the flavour of the day once pissed.
 
I am gonna be quitting a year long black tar habit (smoking) this week i hope. I've tried many times to quit before only to relapse (of course). those damn restless legs get me EVERY TIME. this time however i have some pills to hopefully get me through the first 4 days or so (7-1mg alprazolam, 3 - 10mg ambien, and 1 - 5mg oxycodone) i am really scared but i have to do it soon. my sister is getting married in vegas in 17 days, so i wanna be over the worst by then. wish me luck.

Good luck. The alprazolam may help with the RLS but I don't know if the dose is enough. I'd take it and the ambien as I am getting in hot bath with epson salt. That works wonders for RLS but it's too short lived but any relief helps. RLS sucks, I get restless arms too whivh I think is worse esp. combined ith the legs.
 
I have just relapsed again and im losing hope. A week ago I was genuinley scared and said to my family i was done with it, and they all said (except my old man who always has faith in me) that i had said all this before and nothing would be different. Here i am a week later and ive stuck 2 scores in my arm and prooved them all (except my dad) right.
I have a four month old baby boy, it was when he was born and i still couldnt stop that i first realised i was in real trouble. Now the mother of my child wants me to go 2 rehab b4 i get to see my son again, which is fair enough because she knows i was injecting in the bathroom whilst she was downstairs with my son.
I find the more times i fail to stop the less hope I have that i will ever do it. Its so depressing to really belive something and a week later to do the exact opposite. I think rehab may be the only answer now, iv tried everything else i can. I just hope it can change my outlook cos at the minute its bleak!
I reckon the only chance you ever have off getting off it is you want to more than anything, half of me is in that state and thats the half id like to think is me. Yet somewhere inside part of me obvioulsy doesnt want to stop at all or why would i have done it again when i wasnt rattling and I have so many people that need me to stop. I hope I hate heroin but I dont know if all of me does.
 
Heroin and opiates are generally poisons on the mind and soul.

Even without physical WDs, if I use even ONE time, the next 3-4 days I am just unmotivated, slightly depressed, and not myself. Very low energy and very little interest in any activity.

I feel so much better being away from those types of drugs. :)


I should check out BL sometime and see if I can find some of my older posts from when I was struggling with everything. I don't miss chasing, don't miss the waiting game, don't miss worrying about money or WDs, don't miss worrying about the police or getting burnt. There is soooo much I don't miss at all from that lifestyle. It's very rarely a quick, easy thing and the time lost in a nod or sleeping extensive amounts of time is nothing that sounds desirable now.

I want to experience what this life has to offer. I know what opiates can do and what they can offer. Time for new things. <3


Hope everyone is doing alright! It's not always going to be a struggle and challenge!:)

I like this post. I agree with it all.

The last time I went whole-hog with the opiates, my mom actually inquired three days later why I hadn't been to the gym, getting up early & eating breakfast, doing normal "me" things. And it was funny, I read your post in the How High Are You thread about the same thing. It's so true. It's like there's a refraction period where you just aren't you and need to recuperate even without WDs. Of course, my friend owed me some money this week and I let him pay me back in painkillers, so I'm a gigantic high hypocrite right now. At this point though, there's nothing I'd rather be than ignorant about opiates. None of my close friends use. Anyone I mention it to IRL will most likely judge me, be disappointed in me, lose trust in me, pity me, or all of these things.

I used to think I didn't have a problem because I didn't have the money to actually become physically addicted. I still experienced WDs this past summer thanks to overzealous friends & poppy tea, yet I still have this stupid aura of "Oh, I'm not in trouble, I can't afford to do this shit every week so it's not a problem." I'm going to be truly fucked if I keep it up. Seeing my progression in using drugs makes me think that the people who stay away from it all without exception are pretty smart. I know it's not an all-or-nothing thing. I just can't stand retrospection at all. Which of course brings me back to using, usually. What the hell!?

Anyway I'm done ranting/rambling, cheers guys.
 
I been using oxy everyday for a month... I know I'm gonna have wd's.. Think they will be that bad...??? I should just quit now before It goes on longer and gets harder... Luckily i have a lot of Xanax to help with wd
 
Heroin and opiates are generally poisons on the mind and soul.

Even without physical WDs, if I use even ONE time, the next 3-4 days I am just unmotivated, slightly depressed, and not myself. Very low energy and very little interest in any activity.

I feel so much better being away from those types of drugs. :)


I should check out BL sometime and see if I can find some of my older posts from when I was struggling with everything. I don't miss chasing, don't miss the waiting game, don't miss worrying about money or WDs, don't miss worrying about the police or getting burnt. There is soooo much I don't miss at all from that lifestyle. It's very rarely a quick, easy thing and the time lost in a nod or sleeping extensive amounts of time is nothing that sounds desirable now.

I want to experience what this life has to offer. I know what opiates can do and what they can offer. Time for new things. <3


Hope everyone is doing alright! It's not always going to be a struggle and challenge!:)


I can definently agree with you. The other day after getting high for only 2 days, I had to think what I wanted to do. Then it occured that I didn't want to put in any effort into driving, spending money, waiting, ect.

I feel like i'm tired of opiates, which isn't like me at all. Usually if things are bad in life, I always say "well I could just get high". But now I actually like working through the problems.

Sorry for my little rant, but I agree with you on all of the points you made.
 
I been using oxy everyday for a month... I know I'm gonna have wd's.. Think they will be that bad...??? I should just quit now before It goes on longer and gets harder... Luckily i have a lot of Xanax to help with wd

How much are you taking a day? They probably be painful if you were taking more then 80mg's a day. I would stock up on immodium and use those xanax for when your legs are buckling.
 
Hello my fellow Bluelighters!

I have finally decided to join the discussion. I'm a 24 year old girl, been a heroin addict since I was 19, so five years. I was put on Subutex and later Subuxone and was taking them for three years and a half, then went through 30day detox in a psychiatric ward and I must say I'm soooo happy to be off that shit! Can't imagine waking up early and waiting in line to get the damn pills for the rest of my life!

I am now a recreational user, which means I go on a heroin binge as soon as I get welfare and then wait it out till next month. Rinse and repeat.

What's weird is that I keep telling myself that I -can- live like that and that I -want- to live like that. I've never known anything greater than that heroin rush in my head (which is kind of sad, I know, but still). I don't want to quit. This is the only way I know how to live and I kind of think it was meant to be for me like this. I will forever be a slave to a substance and I think I've come to accept that.
 
the poppy/opium is here on earth for a reason, we really do need it us people.
so many people would be suffering greatly otherwise, and i do believe some people are lacking natural inert opioids in their body/mind, and compared to most any psych medication its nothing.

but but but, people exploit anything and everything.

these thoughts of yours are not naturally your own, they are societal. a state of mind that youve become accustomed to - desensitized into.
you sound like you are putting up with this guaranteed misery, because there is guaranteed sense of bliss, maybe...

its easy to be hopeless, its easy to be mean, and fear.
but thats the point, the more you brush this shit away, the right way, the more pride, and beauty you notice.

knowing how you are supposed to exert these inner traits is yours to figure out, and an awful adventure. sucking that stuff into your veins, you will only see the beauty it allows you to, while you have that temporary sense of pride.


hope this made some sense.
awesome name btw ~
prussian roulette.




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Hello my fellow Bluelighters!

I have finally decided to join the discussion. I'm a 24 year old girl, been a heroin addict since I was 19, so five years. I was put on Subutex and later Subuxone and was taking them for three years and a half, then went through 30day detox in a psychiatric ward and I must say I'm soooo happy to be off that shit! Can't imagine waking up early and waiting in line to get the damn pills for the rest of my life!

I am now a recreational user, which means I go on a heroin binge as soon as I get welfare and then wait it out till next month. Rinse and repeat.

What's weird is that I keep telling myself that I -can- live like that and that I -want- to live like that. I've never known anything greater than that heroin rush in my head (which is kind of sad, I know, but still). I don't want to quit. This is the only way I know how to live and I kind of think it was meant to be for me like this. I will forever be a slave to a substance and I think I've come to accept that.

It would seem that we have been using for approximately the same amount of time and between the same age range (I was 17, a month or two away from 18, when I started and I am now a few months past 23). I don't know the full history of your usage but take a look at my post a page or two back that gives a detailed look at my history (amongst other things, such as reason for starting to use and how fucked it has made my life).

However, I feel much like you... I don't really want to quit but I have to so I can show my wonderful girlfriend that she means more to me than opiates.
If I had the choice, I would do opiates everyday for the rest of my life but as it is I can't because of the illegality of it all. If I continued using I would almost certainly end up without my girlfriend within a few months, maybe half a year max. I'd end up losing my job sooner or later because having a habit and working a normal 9-5 job is damn hard to keep up for long periods. You end up having to take 3-4 hour lunch breaks to go and score, take days off because your rattling, etc and people notice that kind of stuff.

Anyway, the point in this post is this: I've been where you are and resigned myself to being an opiate user for the rest of my life BUT I told myself I would not have a habit, I'd use recreationally. I failed miserably at this. It took maybe a month or two to end up back with a daily habit. I've got completely clean 5 times (maybe 4 or 6 times, I forget) now and each time I've attempted to use as a recreational user and each time I've developed a habit.
I've spoke to quite a few people who've tried the same and the story is always the same. It works for a while (one person I spoke to was quite successful with it and managed to use recreationally for 8 to 9 months) but after that 'honeymoon' period is over, your back to having a habit.

In my experience and what I've heard, attempting to be a recreational user after having a habit will not work. You either use or don't (once you've been an addict with a daily habit that is).

You could be much more strong willed than me or the people I know but I just want to warn you to be careful. Please, I'd hate to see another person end up with a habit after getting clean. I'm still trying to sort out the mess created by developing my last habit a few months ago and this time when I'm clean I will NEVER be doing opiates again. I'll learn to live without them, no matter how hard that will be as I don't know how to go from day to day without opiates. My entire working life has had opiates as a crutch to ensure I can get through the day and continue working hard and progressing in my career!

So, please please be careful!
 
How much are you taking a day? They probably be painful if you were taking more then 80mg's a day. I would stock up on immodium and use those xanax for when your legs are buckling.

prob about 200mgs a day....

See i dont have a supply problem i just want to stop or take a break... its gonna suck hopefully the worst will only last 2-3 days
 
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