Government and U.S. Armed Forces

[WhinnersAreLosers]

kul69, put down the bong and pick up a dictionary. It's "fought". Second, I didn't know dr seuss was German. He is? Well no wonder he hates Americans! They lose two wars in a row to the US and our allies, then completely emasculate themselves as a society to make up for their bad behavior. By the way, every German chick I've ever nailed has alluded to the fact German men were very effeminate, so they preferred Americans.

Where was I when the US went into the former Yugoslavia? Why, I was waiting to be shipped off to basic training, just so I could over there and help clean up another European clusterfuck. Where were you, pissant?

As for my CO ordering me to kill and American citizen without provocation.....I would say No, Sir, that is not a lawful order and I am not legally bound to follow that order. Furthermore, there is this thing called the POSSE COMITATUS ACT which prevents the Federal (not National Guard) military from acting in any position within the U.S. other than to provide disaster relief or repel a foreign invader.

No, the US did not win all the wars on it's own. Far from it, but they supplied an amount of manpower rivaled only by the USSR and supplied arms and equipment to every Allied nation fighting the Axis.

Finally, SGT Airborne, put up the proof.

 

[WhinnersAreLosers]

Heads up , im about to throw a brick over your side!

Ha Ha Ha! Whatever.........

 

[Kul69]

Look, you probably get paid to pump gas.

More retarded name calling.

No, you pump the gas becuase you might get hungry at some point in the near future.

Some people wouldn't, because their beliefs mean more to them than a quick meal.

So, you're saying if you join the military you are obligated to do anything they tell you because they're providing you with material items? There is a line here for everyone (well, most people.. obviously not you) where they will do bad things, kill people, even innocent people if it can't be avoided. That line was simply crossed in SgTs case. I have no doubt he knew he would have to fight and people would die, but what about having to raid someone's house and drag them out into the street in the middle of the night for no reason?

Oh, here's one for you Whinners.. what about Abu Graib..

Those people said that they were TOLD to do what they did, and honestly I have no doubt that they were told to do that. However, the vast majority of Americans were disgusted to find out that was happening and a COURT found them GUILTY, because there is a certain point at which they should have objected to what they were doing and gone above their COs and reported them.

You are like one of those soldiers, you never think for yourself and say, "Wow, this is really wrong.. this isn't about freedom, were tourturing these people, were doing things to them that according to their religon will send them to hell.", you would just keep on doing it and smiling.

America found people like you guilty.

Anyway, I'm out of this thread for real now.

 

[WhinnersAreLosers]

Well, do you pump gas? Then it's not name calling, it's a statement of the facts. Ok, JK......

The US Army was the agency thought brought the Abu Graib scandal to light, not CNN or FOX News.....

Every Soldier who commited a crime at Abu Graib got what they deserved. A Jail sentence.
By the way, the inmates of Abu Graib weren't exactly "nice" people. To the last amn, everyone of them was either a terrorist (jihadist) or Baathist. Really nice people..........8)

Some people wouldn't, because their beliefs mean more to them than a quick meal.

Have you ever been hungry? Or starving?
If you had, you would know how absolutely stupid the above statement is.

 

[maassive]

At first I didnt get the point of the US ARMY, but now I just realized its the perfect place to gather all these farktards into one place and keep them in check away from the normal population. - when the goons get restless , hype em up a bit and loosen the lease. its so obvious

 

[David]

Hey DAVID......you are WORLD WIDE!

As I stated earlier, do not question the integrity of someone you know nothing about. You probably got dropped in RIP (do you know what that is?) for multiple integrity violations.

Remove your head from your ass. Your a LEG!

Funny, but, that's not the first time I've heard some idiot, that knows nothing about what I've done accuse me of that. You should know better being of an armed services that there are things people do outside of description. Code of ethics, and all that jazz. Do yourself a favor, STFU, you know nothing, you are nothing. Go back to work grunt. Do your duty, leave the thinking and planning to those that have an idea, and a clue to go with it.

Once you go through, and get where I was, then maybe you'll see what I'm saying, and understand what I'm refering to. Until then you are still a little brownie. Most likely not even that if you have never signed for jump.

 

[thursday]

unfortunately a lot of the mentality they demonstrate is the product of a lack of education/opportunities as well as the anti-intellectual social environment the military creates. notice how these guys started ranting about how we think we're so intellectual and superior because we have a college education, well no one even mentioned intellectualism or college before they brought this up. seems like they're just projecting their own hidden insecurities into the discussion. i honestly believe that even the most reactionary individual, if raised in the right environment and given the proper nurture, can be a progressive and open-minded individual. the military exploits the poor and the underprivileged. it creates the problems, doesn't contain them.

 

[David]

^^The military doesn't create that situation. This is just a grunt, if that trying to act hard. Since he seems to be lacking in the department of conceptual thought, he never went through any sort of tactical training, other than slap on some boots, and go to basic. This is very common, in the military, for some grunts to act badass. It takes usually an officer to straighten them out. Sometimes someone that knows more is better suited for an opinion. Let me tell they do exist, and they don't use their time to post on the internet, they are out in the field learning how to do new things, and trying to get farther than a grunt.

This guys is probably a loser before, and after the military, and will be lucky to obtain the rank of a Sgt.

 

[PoserBuster]

Good thing I'm a SSG.

Good observation by the way. But, not a grunt.

Back to the drawing board for you.

 

[PoserBuster]

Seems the real target, SGTAIRBORNE, has gone AWOL from this conversation.

DAVID, you were just the bonus.

Thanks.

 

[maassive]

you need retake that class in verbal warfare techniques - because those posts just dont rate

 

[maassive]

thats all I would add at this stage.

 

[Buckfutter]

you need retake that class in verbal warfare techniques - because those posts just dont rate

Do you have anything worth reading to bring to the table or is grammar critiquing your forte?

 

[Void]

Well, this thread sure did get flamed. I woulda stepped in but I've been out sick. I feel that the original poster had a point and brought up a valid mentality that is present in american society (and that many ex-soldiers go through) and from what I understand its the constitution that allows for freedom in america and not the soldiers. But the question of what freedom actually exists aside, or whether black ops occurs, you shouldnt get into a pissing match with an army boy. They are trained to go out there and put their life on the line, and kill, without thinking. Just acting. That takes certain way or thinking. Plus, I'd bet most of them have seen or heard about a fellow soldier being killed. They have no choice but to justify that death as occuring for a belief, a greater cause. They aint about to let go of that belief or even go near questioning it any time soon. Dont feed the trolls.

 

[hippiebuster]

. But you can sign up to be put thousands of miles away from home with a weapon killing people at the age of 16(as long as your parents sign the proper form).

you have to be 17, fucktard. Are you even in the Army?

 

[alasdairm]

Originally posted by WhinnersAreLosers
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Originally posted by WhinnersAreLosers
kul69, put down the bong and pick up a dictionary. It's "fought".

that comment from the man with the spelling error in his username

it appears your hypocrisy know no bounds?

alasdair

 

[dr seuss]

Why, that was a brilliant retort to my whole commentary.

well, it takes one to know one - i've posted pages of stuff in this thread that none of you guys can even be bothered replying to. the ball is firmly in your court; if you want to play, go and pick it up. until then, you're still looking like you can't answer any of my points

I take it your European, so at some point in the 20th Century, either family members of mine or units I belonged to helped liberate your appeasement minded, surrender monkey ancestors.

YOU TAKE IT WRONG!

further, i will now accept your personal thanks to the French for saving your pussy asses in the war of indepdendence.

oh hang on - we're dealing with history here, not some childish game.

Oh, they were World War 1 and World War 2. You probably remember them as "The Times the Americans and/or all the Equipment They supplied saved our Domed Ases".

my grandfather fought as a partisan in eastern europe. my great grandmother fought with the resistance and got us out. my family's ancestral lands came under the occupation of the russians.

and further - we are talking about what our GRANDPARENTS' generation did.

GRANDPARENTS.

i don't think you'd be such a dick as to take credit for what other people died for 60 years ago. if you want to try it, go down your local bar and say 'you guys owe me a drink cuz i saved you from the nazis' and see how far it gets ya :D

and further, while we're talking about ignorance, mr, guess which nation sacrificed 20 men for every dead Allied soldier?

russia. so if i felt a strong allegiance to anyone based on what their family might have done - funny, considering what my family DID do - it might just be some of my russian friends, because they spilt a shitload more blood than brits or americans did.

sound funny? it's not over yet! after all, my polish family might not thank the americans or brits (wanna know why? think about what happened in the aftermath of the war...)

you picked the wrong person to call 'ignorant', my dear boy if you need any help with historical detail about either of the wars, feel free to get in touch!

So indirectly, maybe spiritually if you like, I did help fight for your freedom, you ignorant, pompous asshole.

ah, ok. maybe spiritually i fought in the crusades and maybe your ancestors owe mine their allegiance. in fact maybe when we were all chimps my great-ancestor hominid saved your great-ancestor from a lion, but it means fuck all because real people don't rest on the laurels of what their families *may or may not* have done.

Where the fuck were you when U.S. forces spearheaded the UN mission into the former Yugoslavia?

in my home country on the other side of the world.

Where were you when Americans, by force and by support, became the main effort in solving a problem that you fucking Europeans watched and ignored?

i thought a multinational force was involved in the operations in the former Yugoslavia. UNPROFOR is still there, iirc.

but hey, i can play this game with you: where were you during the last zimbabwean elections? what have you done to raise awareness locally about the problems in sub-saharan africa?

i expect you have done nothing of the sort. see, moral high-grounds are relative, buddy.

You have proved every point I made in my post. You and all like you have demonstrated that while you think you are intellectually superior, you are incapable or unwilling to apply any real effort or bring any viable solutions to problems in our world.

again, you can't seem to grasp the fact that there are plenty of ways to contribute to the world which don't involve killing people. don't you fucking dare come here and tell me what i have or haven't done, because you don't know what i've given my time up for.

in fact, big boy, the things i do to help the world i do for free. it's called volunteering. you're getting paid, just doing your job...

now granted: it is a dangerous job, and granted: i have respect for anyone who is willing to risk their lives.

but hey, doesn't that mean you should spend your life sucking the dick of every passing fireman, nurse and police officer?

 

[dr seuss]

kul69, put down the bong and pick up a dictionary. It's "fought". Second, I didn't know dr seuss was German. He is? Well no wonder he hates Americans! They lose two wars in a row to the US and our allies, then completely emasculate themselves as a society to make up for their bad behavior. By the way, every German chick I've ever nailed has alluded to the fact German men were very effeminate, so they preferred Americans.

LOLOLOLOLOL

1) i'm not german

2) such an emasculated society. with such a contribution to the world...

here's a list - off the top of my head - of great germans:

beethoven, bach, mozart, handel, orff, schumann, strauss, fritz lang, hannh arendt, ernst bloch, kant, hegel, marx, nietzsche, schopenhauer, einstein (who won what war with what weapons, big boy?) carl benz & herr daimler (ever driven a car, buddy?), von braun (what space programme?), diesel (ever seen a tractor in your country?) heisenberg, planck, brecht, luther, thomas mann, patrick suskind...

the list goes on and on my friend. of course you're welcome to make any assertions you like about german men. people on this website can think for themselves

No, the US did not win all the wars on it's own. Far from it, but they supplied an amount of manpower rivaled only by the USSR and supplied arms and equipment to every Allied nation fighting the Axis.

god i just love playing with you guys.

2 questions:

1) in 1941 messerschmidt fighter-bombers landed on tyres manufactured by which company (HINT: it starts with 'Dun' and ends with 'lop').

2) when exactly did the USA stop shipping fuel oil to German ports?

the point is this: history is complex and there are no simple black and white moral positions. you are a soldier and i am a historian - ok, fine. you get back to shooting your gun and i'll get back to writing my history.

i wouldn't come to your firing range and start talking shit about something i know next-to-nothing about, would i? so don't come here & toss about words like 'ignorant' when you're referring to my knowledge of, oh, i dunno, european history. OK?

 

[camo]

Wow this place went on a serious downward spiral.

Thursday. How is 'loose lips sink ships' a propoganda slogan? I'm sure you probably have no idea what OPSEC is but here's the concept. If you TALK ABOUT MOVEMENT OR OPERATIONS, THE WORD CAN GET TO THE ENEMY AND THEY WILL BE WAITING FOR YOU hence "LOOSE LIPS SINK SHIPS." I guess anything the government says is propoganda to you. By the way... that van across the street... it has government agents in it. They're watching you.

I'd also like to add that it wasn't us that brought stereotypes to the table. I believe as soon as we started posting you automatically threw up "You're in the military, you can't possibly think for yourselves. blah blah" Since you have never spent a day in the military you cannot know how or what we think. Now before you go and say 'I don't want to know how you think' or 'You can't think' because that is exactly what you'll say because we all know you by now... especially because you are continally repeating yourself. I am convinced that you have nothing better to add to this thread than stating that we are stupid and you are this open minded individual to which no others can compare.

The fact of the matter is, those of us who are in it for love of our country have something that you do not. We have a connection. A permanent bond of brotherhood and a love for a cause so deeply imbedded within our souls that we are willing to die for it and the men next to us. Do you have such traits? What would YOU die for?

We live by a code, the warriors code.

I WILL NEVER ACCEPT DEFEAT.

I WILL NEVER QUIT

I WILL NEVER LEAVE A FALLEN COMRADE

I doubt you can comprehend those. They weren't in any of your books and they certainly aren't in that dime bag of weed.

 

[killarava2day]

I WILL SHOUT AT YOU WITH THE CAPS LOCK ON.

Only a indoctrinated fool would espouse dying for a cause... Any thinking man would quickly point out that the cause is better served by making the other prick die, he who runs away lives to fight another day. I guess I might be prepared to die for my friends and loved ones, shit that actually means something, but fuck dying for some esoteric concept like "country". It's sad that there are poor saps like you willing to be so easily manipulated to die for a cause, but it seems inevitable, people like you are dinme a dozen... I don't know what sort of weird military fetish motivatres you, i just wish you wouldn't go around killing people that never asked to be part of your jingoistic machismo fantasy. Shit, go play a computer game if you need to get it out of your system, why should innocent Iraqi's die to fulfill your disturbed wet-dream.