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camo said:
I leave this window open and multi-task. Is that hard to believe? Keep in mind I am GMT + 1 so it's almost 2pm where I am. You seem to be up at all hours of the night trolling this board, ready to reply as well. You must be keeping pretty close tabs on me and my activities to be knowing what sections I'm reading.
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That explains nothing. I asked you what your status was, just not in so many words. What are your duties, are on or off, and why are off, but still out there. How long have you been in? Why are you here on a drug-site if you find us appalling? What brought you here, and what are you doing on here for so long?

Why post insulting BS if you think not all of us are here and users, or if we are we must be scum, so why waste your time? Are the women there that bad?

I'm on here working on a project for school, and BL is my social aspect of life considering I don't have time for a real social life with work and all, you?
 
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That's not the post I was talking about but I'll go ahead and fill you in anyways.

My duties? I am the armorer for a US contingent under NATO. I'm active duty. I am infantry by MOS but somehow ended up being TCS'd here and placed in an armorer slot. Why? Maybe because I have my EIB, I'm the only grunt around and I know how weapons work. There are more important places I'd rather be but we both know we do what we're told and don't ask questions. I've been in for a bit over 4 yeras. Why am I on a drug site? I don't really consider this a drug site. There is a plethora of other topics, such as Thought and Awareness that I enjoy reading and occasionally posting about.

Why post insulting bs? I simply returned fire. I find it annoying to no end these people who bash the government but present no way to help make things better. They simply bitch rather than contributing to progress.

The women here are some of the most beautiful. Unfortunately not a whole lot of them speak English. I'm trying to stay away from the military girls but some of these other European military women are hot.

I'm here because I believe a lot of discussion about several topics, not including this one, generates contemplation. I enjoy reading other points of view on several topics including but not limited to life, death, spirituality, religion amongst other things.
 
Originally posted by camo
Well now, it appears alasdair got a little jealous because someone actually knew what I have been talking about and look what happened.. he got all mad and had to post a bunch of quotes of me throwing some mud.

i'm neither jealous nor mad but if that's how you see it, that's fine.

my quotes were simply to show that i wouldn't choose to describe you as level-headed.

regards

alasdair
 
camo Just to open you up some more, relax a bit on the government bashing people. We all do it, and in no time after you get out, you'll understand it's the politicians we don't like. The government itself is whatever we make of it.

Myself I knew that invading Iraq was the wrong thing. I don't deny something had to be done, but that was not the something I was hoping for. Either way it's done, and now I'm on the sidelines waiting for something else to come along.

Just don't take anything here seriously there are a few people on here that are doing work to make the world a better place, the rest of us are just waiting for something else to come along. I'm guilty of this, and I know it. I just got tired, and my body won't take anymore. I have two bad knees, and too much scar tissue to be acceptable for any service anymore. I had fun though, even if it wasn't the right thing to do, as I later found out. It's an experience I'd do again, just to tell my children what really happened there.

BTW I love me those Euro girls too.;) Especially the ones that know how to use a firearm.

Nice have another view aboard, just try to understand everyone's experience is different, and you will always be learning something, even if it is from a crackpot like myself, or some of these other guys.

Dr. Suess is one of the best on here I've found, he does good work too.:)
 
You guys are thinking "oh shit, another sheepdog has come to come interrupt our little fantasy world". Some of you fucktards need to put your wacky weed down and enter the real world. You can come and share your liberal propoganda all day long and we could give a fuck less but when you get a bunch of posers on here pretending to be members of the profession of arms you will be fucked with. You need to clean your house. That is all.
 
Let me get this straight.

1) Bluelighters are (for the most part) people who believe in a society where drugs are acceptable.

2) The majority of Bluelighters who have posted on the this thread are adverse to military service, for any number of reasons. Including failure of certain military schools.

3) Bluelighters (again, only the ones who have posted on this forum are the ones I am referring to) believe that the majority of people in the world want freedom or want to at least live without oppression.

4) Since these particular Bluelighters were born into a democratic society, with all the opportunities afforded them, they do not have to fight for their freedoms.

5) If they to have to fight for those freedoms, they would not do so. The reason being is that it is better to be alive than dead, no matter what.

6) Furthermore, anyone who believes in the use of violence as way to obtain their goals (including freedom) is an uneducated savage.

So it is good to have freedom and justice, as long as there is no violence involved in obtaining it?

These Bluelighters have all the answers. They are morally and intellectually
superior and will never have to fight to obtain or sustain freedom. That kind of dirty, messy business is for the downtrodden masses, the salt of the earth.

But aren't you Bluelighters representative of the common man, struggling for justice? Seems kind of hypocritical to demand justice and freedom without being willing to make sacrifices yourselves.

Furthermore, the u.S. military is controlled by the civilian government. It is the will of the people. You may not think so, but 50,000 (Bluelighter members) out of a country of some 280 million is hardly a convincing argument.

This whole thread began with SGT Airborne making his post. He is typical of today's pampered generation. He wanted all the benefits, money and opportunities of the U.S. Army, but when it came down to doing the job he volunteered to do, he chose to a whiner and a coward about it. The U.S. military exists for one purpose: To Wage Fucking WAR!!!! It is not a social experiment, it is not welfare, it is not the world police. It is to wage war, for any reason, at the request of the American people and in support of U.S. policy and objectives. Plain and simple.

I feel proud to live in a country were two completely opposite ideologies can share the same open, public forum. The only repercussions will be some name calling or bruised egos. That is all. There will not be civil war in the streets, the government will not be in your house tomorrow to take you off to a re-education camp or to have you executed. Your lives, all of our lives, will go on unimpeded.

Lastly, if you can read my post, thank a teacher. If you can read it, in English, without fear of repercussions, THANK A SOLDIER.
 
i didn't realise you fought for my freedom.

which war was that in? and where?

and how many fucking times do i have to say we are not all american.

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Hey DAVID......you are WORLD WIDE!

As I stated earlier, do not question the integrity of someone you know nothing about. You probably got dropped in RIP (do you know what that is?) for multiple integrity violations.

Remove your head from your ass. Your a LEG!
 
The cool thing about the InterWeb is I can pretend to be a famous movie star or a soldier on an extra-special super-secret mission with no way to back it up.
 
That is true, Meth Bunny. Notice how much detail Sgt Airborne went into to make himself look somewhat SPECOPS saying some shit like, "We remove our patches because of the black ops we do" or "our missions aren't sanctioned under the rules of engagement" blah blah blah.

Anybody in the SOCOM community would know to keep their mouths SHUT. Loose lips sink ships. A true Ranger wouldn't need to give himself false credibility by looking all hardcore. Of course Airborne is just hiding behind a computer screen so there's no way he can prove it aside from giving his name and other small tidbits of information for my colleages to verify his identity and his credibility.
 
loose lips sink ships? lol, the 1940's want their propaganda slogan back.

all you've said so far to discredit Sgt is that he can't possibly be in the armed forces because he doesn't demonstrate regimented and close-minded thinking as you and the rest of your big tough man-child friends have.

you can send as many of your army buddies in here as you want, making ignorant remarks about drug users and spewing the same testosterone-fueled rants about how liberals are all whimpy cowards, that only better proves our point. for a bunch of distinct individuals you guys sure aren't very original with your posts. it's almost as if you only had one brain between all of you. so unable to come up with anything more than feeble insults to controvert the arguments provided by this side, you use the sheer volume of drone-like responses to try to prove a point. way to go. you've really proved that the military isn't a free-thought-repressing anti-intellectual institution.
 
some of you guys just need to chill out. I can understand why you guys are here, you think sgt. is a poser, and to someone that spends 2 months and 23 days going through RIP and Ranger School, they tend to get really serious about someone saying they're something they aren't. I can respect that.

You guys know as well as I do, you wouldn't want someone serving that doesn't want to serve. The last thing you'd want is someone beside you that doesn't want to be.

So be proud for what you do, as you know, not just anyone can be a Ranger, but also know...not everyone WANTS to be a Ranger. And you should be glad because of this. As I said earlier, would you want someone getting a slot to Ranger School that doesn't want to be there? The failure rate would be even higher than it is now.


And you'd be surprised, there are quite a few educated people on this site. This is one of hundreds of thousands of threads on this site. Maybe you guys can look around some more and see that these people on here are more like you than you think.

The purpose of this site is harm reduction, the people on here try to help people from hurting theirselves using drugs.

I know you're probably going to say. "ah fuck them goddamn junkies, I hope they all die" But I know you're smart enough to know that quite a few of the members of the military have/still do use drugs.

Is there anything wrong with that...no, as long as it doesn't affect your ability to work. I know you guys have drank alcohol before. (which IS a drug)...

so maybe you guys should lighten up on the "liberal asshats" on this site, and see that deep down, we're all the same. We all want whats best for America.

but as we all know, EVERYONE has different views on whats best for the U.S. And maybe what our current administration feels is best for us isn't what some people feel is best for us.

Does that make them wrong...hell no. Everyone will have different views, whats what makes the world go round.

RLTW (hey, it's true, and I'm glad we have people like you that served/are still serving)
 
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^^ Stop trying to be so damn nice =P

Wow you totally missed my point. The people in THIS THREAD who claim to be so enlightened, intellectual and "true Americans" are the same ones posting about their expertise drug usage and regularity of drug abuse.
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Like other people have said in this thread, I don't even use drugs much anymore. The last time I smoked weed was almost a month ago, and I never even drink alcohol. (Yes, alcohol is a drug, one I consider to be much more harmful than Marijuana because I'm informed on the topic which is the point of this webpage)

Furthermore, anyone who believes in the use of violence as way to obtain their goals (including freedom) is an uneducated savage.
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No, anyone who tells other not to dissent because they're being paid to do what they're told is a savage.

If they to have to fight for those freedoms, they would not do so. The reason being is that it is better to be alive than dead, no matter what.
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I would fight for my freedom, but I don't see any aggressors at the moment. Please, don't try to tell me terrorists are attacking my freedom or anything stupid like that.

You may not think so, but 50,000 (Bluelighter members) out of a country of some 280 million is hardly a convincing argument.
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Like Dr has said a few times now, this is an international message board. Also, there are people here who would agree with you and tell everyone in this thread to shut up as well. Just because someone isn't registered on Bluelight doesn't mean they might not agree with some of us, on certain issues.

This whole thread began with SGT Airborne making his post. He is typical of today's pampered generation. He wanted all the benefits, money and opportunities of the U.S. Army, but when it came down to doing the job he volunteered to do, he chose to a whiner and a coward about it. The U.S. military exists for one purpose: To Wage Fucking WAR!!!! It is not a social experiment, it is not welfare, it is not the world police. It is to wage war, for any reason, at the request of the American people and in support of U.S. policy and objectives. Plain and simple.
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What do you do when your government (which controls the military) is using you for operations that you believe to be counter-productive to the cause of freedom? You obviously would do nothing, because you get money to not think on your own. However, some people would object, they aren't afraid of anything and they aren't whining. They're keeping the government in check, supposedly that is what makes our country great? That people keep the government in check?
 
It's hard to believe that something started by someone exaggerating his military service could lead to this.

Atleast it's entertaining.

Somewhat informative too, when the accusations and counter accusations stop flying for a second.

It's healthy to see a conflicting point of view. And that's what you'll get in a place like this. It encourages discussion and debate.

Last but not least.

Sgt.Airborne do you know what Quiet Professionalism means??
 
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BTW Dr. Suess, I was referring to this piece of an ass hat's avatar earlier, not yours.

First point:

all you've said so far to discredit Sgt is that he can't possibly be in the armed forces because he doesn't demonstrate regimented and close-minded thinking as you and the rest of your big tough man-child friends have.
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No, what I said was I want to see your buddy back up his credentials.
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Next point:

it's almost as if you only had one brain between all of you. so unable to come up with anything more than feeble insults to controvert the arguments provided by this side, you use the sheer volume of drone-like responses to try to prove a point. way to go. you've really proved that the military isn't a free-thought-repressing anti-intellectual institution.
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Hello, hello, is anybody home? You're not very original with your posts Mr. Hypocrite. Everyone of us is free to think whatever we want. You somehow got the impression there's a secret "Gamma Ray" that has filled our heads with an "anti-free-thought-repressing anti-intellectual beam" along with some kind of secret ritual to complete our indoctronation. Some of us took and take pride in a country that allows us the freedoms to hear cock-jockies like you hide behind the server and complain all day. Some of us take, what you take for granted, very seriously. Long before we ever joined the military. I didn't do it for the pay or the educational benefits. I did it because I wanted to. Want to know something? I was on the path to where you are right now. I'm not rich, hell I don't even have a college degree, but I've pretty much got a Phd. in people. I'm happy where I'm at today. The military isn't for everyone. Never said it was. And you don't have to agree with me. You can disagree. Isn't that one little fact absolutely amazing?
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Finally:

dbighead2 is the first one of you who gets it. I realize I have a choice to be here or to change the channel on the set if I don't like it. I'm here for one reason only. After that, I will go. The bottom line to all of this is this:

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I can understand why you guys are here, you think sgt. is a poser, and to someone that spends 2 months and 23 days going through RIP and Ranger School, they tend to get really serious about someone saying they're something they aren't. I can respect that.

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So be proud for what you do, as you know, not just anyone can be a Ranger, but also know...not everyone WANTS to be a Ranger. And you should be glad because of this.
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We are proud. But I for one have a list of achievements that I can back up. Doesn't mean I'm going to wave them in front of your face. All I want (to state the bottom line up front, once more for everyone that missed it) is to have SgTaIrBoRnE back up who he is (waiting while everyone jots down notes) and what he claims to be.

Now pay attention because this is what's most important:

None of us need his name, ssn, street address (although I can't speak for my compadres) ip address, favorite color etc. Just a few questions is all. We dislike (as you have probably already guessed) those that think "trademark" infringement by using what the rest of us have rightfully earned and honorably served, and still serving, is okay. It's not. Plain and simple.

And once again, (stated for the third time) I will post an apology, in public, on this board, for all to see if SgTaIrBorne is properly credentialed. I've been wrong before and when I am, I'll be the first one to admit it. This is not about puffing up our chests or slinging testosterone around. It's about honor, integrity and credibilty. That is what is very serious to us.

Dissenting opinions also welcomed.
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dr seuss said:
i didn't realise you fought for my freedom.

which war was that in? and where?

and how many fucking times do i have to say we are not all american.

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Why, that was a brilliant retort to my whole commentary. I take it your European, so at some point in the 20th Century, either family members of mine or units I belonged to helped liberate your appeasement minded, surrender monkey ancestors. Oh, they were World War 1 and World War 2. You probably remember them as "The Times the Americans and/or all the Equipment They supplied saved our Domed Ases". So indirectly, maybe spiritually if you like, I did help fight for your freedom, you ignorant, pompous asshole. Where the fuck were you when U.S. forces spearheaded the UN mission into the former Yugoslavia? Where were you when Americans, by force and by support, became the main effort in solving a problem that you fucking Europeans watched and ignored? You have proved every point I made in my post. You and all like you have demonstrated that while you think you are intellectually superior, you are incapable or unwilling to apply any real effort or bring any viable solutions to problems in our world.
 
^^ My family faught in the revoloutinary war, so I guess you owe me for your freedom, right? All debts have been paid everyone!

What if seuss lives in Germany? Then you'd call him a Nazi, right? For existing in a country with a history of that? It's the same thing.

I take it your European, so at some point in the 20th Century, either family members of mine or units I belonged to helped liberate your appeasement minded, surrender monkey ancestors. Oh, they were World War 1 and World War 2. You probably remember them as "The Times the Americans and/or all the Equipment They supplied saved our Domed Ases". So indirectly, maybe spiritually if you like, I did help fight for your freedom, you ignorant, pompous asshole. Where the fuck were you when U.S. forces spearheaded the UN mission into the former Yugoslavia? Where were you when Americans, by force and by support, became the main effort in solving a problem that you fucking Europeans watched and ignored?
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I didn't know that all European countries surrendered, thanks for the history lesson. So, America won the war all by itself, right? We defeated all of Europe? Wow.

Where were YOU when the US spearheaded the UN mission?

Give me a break, your arguments are pathetic and don't even make any sense. It figures the person who came here with no purpose other than to attack someone would start calling people names again as soon as coversation turns to more civilized discussion of the issue at hand.

Your friends say they just want to know if SgT is really a Ranger or not, and that they don't mean to argue or fight with anyone. What is your excuse for being a cunt? You came here, created a name called WhinnersAreLosers, and procedded to attack a person you have no idea about on the basis that if the army is giving them money they need to shut up and do exactly as told. You're the real problem here. At least your friends accept that dissent in our country is a good thing, they just don't believe SgT was ever a Ranger and so they feel he's lying. You're a fascist though, like I said.

You are all a bunch of whinning hippies. Take some freakin' responsibility for your actions. You join the Army? Oh well, like any other job, the employer will use his employees as he sees fit. Get off your high horses, stop blaming the world and everyone it for your own failures and realize that the rest of the world is not like the USA. Therefore, you cannot attack problems in the world with your pampered, lovey, Western, American mindset. People are jealous of our prosperity, fortune and opportunities and you turds have nothing better to do than whine. All those members on this board who are in the military, you should be ashamed of yourselves. You take money, education and benfits, then cry like little bitches when it comes time to fulfill your end of the contract. Grow up!
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Look familiar Whinners? It's your first post. You had no idea who anyone was, or the situations they're in.

If your CO told you to kill an American civilian for no reason other than it's your duty, would you do it or would you refuse because you're a HUMAN and also an AMERICAN? I bet you actually would shoot them, and then ask for your pay to be upgraded.

Anyway, this thread isn't going anywhere until SgT either proves or disproves if he is a Ranger. How he'll do that I have no idea. I'm out of here..
 
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What do you do when your government (which controls the military) is using you for operations that you believe to be counter-productive to the cause of freedom? You obviously would do nothing, because you get money to not think on your own. However, some people would object, they aren't afraid of anything and they aren't whining. They're keeping the government in check, supposedly that is what makes our country great? That people keep the government in check?

Look, you probably get paid to pump gas. Do you refuse to do so when someone drives an SUV in after hitting a squirrel or something? No, you pump the gas becuase you might get hungry at some point in the near future. This youngster signed up for the military, knowing full well in today's day and age that he was probably going to get sent into Iraq or Afghanistan. He's not keeping the government in check. HE IS FUCKING WHINING FOR HAVING TO A JOB THAT HE FULLY UNDERSTOOD HOW TO DO AND VOLUNTEERED TO DO. You get a paycheck, get an education, medical and dental care (for your family also), clothes on your back, a roof over your head, three square meals and some money to enjoy, all the while knowing what the flipside of getting all these benfits are. You knowingly volunteer to be an instrument of the government and then back out, cry foul when the military asks you to uphold YOUR end of the deal? Grow the fuck up! It is called taking responsibility for your actions, be proud in being a servicemember and DOING YOUR FUCKING JOB!

I know this idea of helping others instead of just yourself is a foreign concept to you people, but it's a just one. Damn, I feel like I'm talking to a wall over here!
 
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