Government and U.S. Armed Forces

[dr seuss]

Well, dr seuss, to further round out your historical material, not only was Dunlop making tires for the Germans, but Ford was also making trucks for the German Army at the Opel factories in Germany. It appears Henry Ford was quite fond of Nazi Germany. I won't deny that. Or the fact that French and Polish general officers came to America to advise the colonial army during the Revolutionary War. As I remember it, the Germans weren't known to be an oil country. Polesti, ring a bell to you? Next you'll tell me the Japanese were actually trying to free Asia from the Allies during WWII.

i certainly wouldn't argue that the Japanese were trying to free asia!

As for an emasculated German society, I stand my ground. I would never deny the historical achievements of past Germans, but were comparing apples and oranges. Today's German society is one were they fear militant Islamic attack so much, they're debating on having a national "Muslim Day" to appease the terrorist.

ok, we can play ball. today's British society - once a nation that controlled a quarter of the world - is one where they fear upsetting Sikhs so much that we can't show a play which discusses a fictional Sikh crime.

and today's American society is one where they fear militant Islamic attacks so much that they have a sliding scale of 'terror-threat-bullshit' alerts which even the general public take little notice of. and today's American society is so warped from the founding fathers' notions that there's talk of altering the constitution - one of the greatest document ever - just because your president is afraid of men who like to suck dick. and today's American society is so emasculated that you have to aruge for fucking years about whether to let a permanently vegetative person finally die.

see? none of these points are relevant or useful, and i think you'll find the same applies to your comments about how unmanly German men are.

There's that word again, appease. Look at Spain? My mother's family is Catalonian and they are disgusted at how the Spanish government rolled over to terrorists (muslim and the ETA).

i don't think most of the country is - and my spanish friends aren't.

Furthermore, the Russians were well and good and all, but didn't they sign a non-aggression pact with Germany in which they agreed to divide Poland amongst themselves? Or how about the massacre of Polish officers at the Kaytn Forest? The list of atrocities they committed in the name of "Wars of Liberation" are to numerous to list.

the russians weren't actually all good at all. the red army was responsible for all sorts of atrocities; often they were less skilled at getting locals to do the dirty work, unlike the germans. lest we forget, the stalinist regime was responsible for something in the region of 20,000,000 deaths - twenty million - which shades hitler into oblivion.

Dr seuss, what the fuck have you done to STOP the massacre in sub-saharan Africa? Don't raise awareness, raise a weapon and fight. Or is that brutish behavior for the mindless and uneducated?

which massacre? you don't know - so obviously i have some more awareness-raising to do

are you referring to the DRC? zimbabwe? northern uganda? where, and what?

i can give you details of the fundraising i've done for the UNA to provide shelters for children in northern uganda who are getting abducted and forced to fight. i can send you videos of the security guards that money we raised paid for - the same guards that stop children being forced to fight. i've worked to set up examination centres from kenya to mauritius to ensure countries can have adequate statistical data to qualify their aid needs. i can send you receipts for money i've contributed to bore-water engineering schemes in malawi that will help people get a clean renewable source of drinking water - and therefore help prevent one of the biggest killers in africa. i can send you pictures i took from inside the DRC, where stoned 12 year olds pointed guns at us and took our documents. i can show you pictures of the club nights we have run & contributed all the profits to water programs in africa - you ever put up 2 grand of your own money to help other people? i can send you copies of every letter i have written to my Member of Parliament, and to the Foreign Secretary, about the situations in zimbabwe, the DRC, and uganda respectively. i can send you copies of the newsletter i'm working on - despite being completely fucking busy with work at the moment - which will hopefully go 'live' in the autumn.

so, you see - not every problem is solved by 'grabbing a gun' or 'fighting'. and further - i'm sure i don't have to tell you this - but not everyone is most effective soaking up bullets.

i mean, do all you army guys just get given a rifle? or do some of you work in communications, others in logistics, others as transport, others as medics?

that is the way the army works, right? good. so you can clearly see that people are suited to different things - and to be honest, i'd be a shitty soldier. but i'm a great writer and a hard worker, and organisations like the BBC and the Royal Society acknowledged that.

I don't know what you've done, but apparently you didn't go to the former Yugoslavia when it was a European problem and you would never stick your neck out for a bunch of ignorant peasants in Africa. Go figure, you talk alot, but do nothing. Actions, not words.

what - because i wasn't old enough to fight in the recent NATO action in the former Yugoslavia, i somehow couldn't do anything for anyone else?

that's a very funny statement to make. it's not related to reality in any way though, is it?

 

[David]

^^Marines are field infantry first, and MOS second.

David, again, you fully personify the ethos that you have been espousing all along. Your look down on homophobic, knuckle dragging, neanderthal "army boys" for their violent tendencies, yet are willing endorse violence against them when it suits your purpose. you're a self-centered twat, so you to should fuck off. Grown ups are talking.

LMAO! Ok grunt. You clearly haven't a clue what you are talking about, simply by reading your posts on the African discourse, and various other topics. I wouldn't be 'sarcastic', and attack your attitude if you hadn't barged in like you actually knew something.

Many people here could school you on just about anything you wish to bring up. Dr. Suess could with no effort, as can I. Just try and bring up something of interest sometime. Most of us would be more than willing to show what we know, and have researched, you know being friendly, and sharing knowledge, not calling people losers, and the such.

Also refering to the mods in such a way isn't going to make you any more popular here. Especially someone such as Void who has worked hard here to maintain this forum.

 

[thursday]

Speaking of never responding to posed arguments, why did you not say a word about my restructuring question? Please don't throw comments about not responding to questions when you yourself do the same thing.

Also, I give you credit for never saying a thing refuting you being a drug abuser considering a large portion of your posts have been in the Drug Usage forum or whatever it's called. Kudos! That just means that not ALL of our comments were inaccurate.

sometimes i don't respond to your so called "arguments" because most of them are petty personal attacks. my drug habits are irrelevant to this discussion and i don't feel the need to defend myself against such wild accusations. if i were to assume that you fuck sheep and regularly rape elderly women in convalescent homes would you find the need to defend yourself against these groundless accusations? go ahead and assume that i'm a pothead or junky or whatnot, whatever makes you feel like you're superior.

as far as your remark about me not being able to know how the military is structured without having been in the military, that's just plain stupid. i may not know the minute details about the way the military works but i can surmise, within reasonable expectations, how most militaries generally operate. through research and by reading accounts given by people who have been in the military and by exercising a little common sense it's easy to see that the military isn't exactly the type of enviornment that fosters free thought or welcomes patriotic dissent. without joining the military i know that if i were in the military and i didn't like a particular order i'd been given, i would still have to obey such orders. without joining the military, i can safely assume that most people in the military share the same reactionary mindset that you and your army friends have demonstrated.

furthermore, when someone criticizes the way our government works do you just dismiss their arguments if they've never been a government official since no one can possibly know how our government works without ever having been in the government? if my criticisms of the military, based on their recent history and based on common knowledge, are incorrect then why not just point out how i'm wrong?

 

[dbighead2]

hey camo, show me where I posted with fear in my voice

 

[killarava2day]

haha! these army ninnies are funny!

*drags knuckes on ground* OOGH OOGH OOGH ME ARMY MAN! OOGH OOGH OOGH! ME GROWN UP! *beats chest* ME STRONG! ME KNOW MIGHT BE RIGHT! OOGH OOGH OOGH!

 

[killarava2day]

btw- when are you meat heads going back to iraq or whatever other baby killing mission you're on? i hope your sorry bullet-sponge arses do get blown away, its for the love of your country after all!

Here are some pics to warm your good, decent, patriotic hearts a little

Look at these patriots, doing their bit for dubya's crusade...

I sure as shit hope the proud, Iraqi resistance catches you meatheads alive, maybe you or your buddies will gain great fame when your obese, toothless slack-jawed families sees your head severed from your bloody carcasses live on national TV. Now THAT would be a kick! :D

Viva la Iraq, viva la resistance!

You will never beat the proud Iraqi resistance, just like how the Viet Cong drove your bare white arses out of vietnam... Hehe, good ol' Uncle Ho... Now THERE was a real patriot.

I will watch the news with eager anticipation and cheer ever stupid american bullet-sponge death as gleefully as it was yours!

 

[dbighead2]

most of them are retired and never saw any serious action. So they'll never know what it's like to die

but hey bro, what you're saying is a little extreme, you shouldn't wish death on anyone, regardless of how different they are from you.

 

[killarava2day]

I think it is extreme to voluntarily join an institution that has the sole purpose of using extreme violence to imposea political will, ie. a terrorist organisation. I have no sympathy for such people, they are either violent thugs or indoctrinated dupes... Either way, there death makes for a richer, nicer world so is not something to be mourned.

So they'll never know what it's like to die

Er... I beg to differ! Unless jeebus really IS on their side!

 

[dbighead2]

hahaha

 

[Medatripper Tates]

wow, i cant believe how fast this thread has expanded 8)

shows how much some of us care for such a topic

 

[Buckfutter]

btw- when are you meat heads going back to iraq or whatever other baby killing mission you're on? i hope your sorry bullet-sponge arses do get blown away, its for the love of your country after all!

Here are some pics to warm your good, decent, patriotic hearts a little

Look at these patriots, doing their bit for dubya's crusade...

I sure as shit hope the proud, Iraqi resistance catches you meatheads alive, maybe you or your buddies will gain great fame when your obese, toothless slack-jawed families sees your head severed from your bloody carcasses live on national TV. Now THAT would be a kick! :D

Viva la Iraq, viva la resistance!

You will never beat the proud Iraqi resistance, just like how the Viet Cong drove your bare white arses out of vietnam... Hehe, good ol' Uncle Ho... Now THERE was a real patriot.

I will watch the news with eager anticipation and cheer ever stupid american bullet-sponge death as gleefully as it was yours!

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4. post or upload any content that victimizes, harasses, degrades, or intimidates an individual or group of individuals on the basis of race, ethnicity, religion, sexual orientation or any other reason;

Are the admins going to bring a ban or do your thoughts coincide with the above post?

 

[David]

^^LMAO! You certainly are new around here, aren't you?

 

[killarava2day]

Are the admins going to bring a ban or do your thoughts coincide with the above post?

Maybe we could draw your attention to point 6:

6. register multiple accounts ("alias accounts")

 

[WhinnersAreLosers]

dr seuss, the fear of upsetting Sikhs in Britain is ridiculous. Plain and simple.

Debating about a vegetative woman is also ridiculous. I say the feeding tube should have been removed long ago to let her die in peace. But that's just me.

As for the bullshit alerts, well, has Big Ben or the London Tower been destroyed, ending the lives of 3,000 people, all at the hands of terrorists? No. When it does, I'm sure the British Government will enact some sort of alert status akin to what the Americans have. People are trying to destroy America, the UK and every other civilized Western nation that doesn't cow to their warped version of Islam. You can call them bullshit alerts after your country has suffered a Sept. 11th style attack. If I remember correctly, such attacks were narrowly avoided not more than a few months ago.

I don't believe the Constitution is a living document, one were we can add or take away amendments at will or on a whim. As a matter of fact, Ho Chi Min used it and the declaration of Independence as inspiration when he set up shop in Vietnam.

I agree with you wholeheartedly on Stalin and the USSR. Totalitarian regimes need to be crushed and sometimes force is required.

Here's a link to the massacre in which I am referring to:
http://www.irinnews.org/report.asp?ReportID=39544&SelectRegion=East_Africa&SelectCountry=SUDAN

Hopefully it works.

As for being too young to go to Yugoslavia, well, it's been going on for a long time now........Better late than never

However, it has to be pointed out that many goodwill orginizations that try to do good work in developing countries end up getting harassed by either local militas or host governments. At these times, it has been neccessary for armed men to employ various means to stop the harassment. harassing can be anything from extortion to kidnapping and murder. Anyway, I think you know what I mean.

Maybe you've heard of the Provincal Reconstruction Teams in Afghanistan or of the US Army Civil Affairs Command? The orginizations exist for the sole purpose of helping. Soldiers in military are not just given gun and told to kill. The PRT and Civil Affairs go into distressed areas with the sole intention of helping and rebuilding.

dr seuss, I personally think your politics are screwy and I don't agree with them a whole lot. However, I will be the first to say I respect what you write and I respect your opinion. You do research and post intelligible arguments on this board.

That being said, this thread all started form SGT Airborne posting his inital post. Let's not lose site of that. SGT Airborne, if you're still out there, please post your credentials.

killarava2day,
I don't have multiple accounts. I think what you did was in very poor taste.
Furthermore, I would love to see you go into Iraq. You would not last. You are foul, disgusting little creature and a pathetic excuse for a human. Also, you must live in warped fantasy world of your own creation.

 

[David]

Might makes right.8)

 

[Buckfutter]

Maybe we could draw your attention to point 6:

6. register multiple accounts ("alias accounts")

The admins seem pretty good at enforcing their policies...my username hasn't been banned so I'm guessing the IP's don't match, or they see through some other internet wizardry that each poster that has come here is posting from different locations.

This is truly mind-boggling. 8(

 

[camo]

Yes. All the brains in the world and they still can't get the idea that we are not the same person. Of course they never want to hear the TRUTH. That would probably scare them.

Yeah, those men are doing their duty. They are getting a tad bit of rest PROBABLY because they were up for over a day and needed some well deserved rest. I seriously doubt if they were as well rested as you they could just lie on the rocky concrete like that.

Don't ever post pictures like that again. You don't rate to belittle brave men like those pictured there.

 

[David]

^^Coming onto a public forum, and telling people what they can't post, eh? Seems a bit narrow-minded.

BTW According to the Admins the IP adds aren't stored for the server, which makes sense considering the nature of the site.

 

[camo]

Yes, so they are more than welcome to look at the IPs logged from me, Buckfutter, WhinersAreLosers and the others and they can make the call that we are not the same person.

For having served in the Army, I'm surprised you take a post from killarava2day and defend it. You couldn't possibly have been some sort of Snake Eater. Even if you didn't believe in your missions, you still have loyalty for your fellow men and apparently you don't.

 

[David]

^^Sorry, the only thing I was ever loyal to is dead. I joined out of tradition, and family honor. Five generations of US Army Service.

Did you miss where I said the IPs are not logged here? Excuse me I missed a few letters on there, I apoligize for the error on my part.